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Old 08-11-2014, 07:40 AM  
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Sounds like St Louis went nuts. Lets loot some stores!!!

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Old 08-12-2014, 10:48 AM   #181
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It sounds like this all could have been avoided if they would have just stepped out of the street when he told them to do so.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:51 AM   #182
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Yeah, that video that StormwatchDayz posted first implies that Brown boosted from the Ferguson Market then later says Brown "didn't steal shit, bruh." Which is not great for those of us interested in the whole truth.

But even if Brown stole some goods, that theft doesn't make Brown's shooting even a tiny bit more justified than it already was or wasn't.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:01 AM   #183
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You are missing the issue of whether or not the officer was responding to a shoplifting charge. That's part of why the QT was looted and 'SNITCH' was spray painted on the marquee. The spoilerized-for-language clip from Glory above might be hard to understand out of context, but the guy is saying that the cop wasn't responding to a call from QT because 'my homeboy' robbed the Ferguson Market, not QT. That's the defense. The cop couldn't have been responding to a call from snitching QT, 'dey was busy robbing another market who's down.
BL, I got more confused watching that clip. Robbery?=/shoplifting?
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:03 AM   #184
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It sounds like this all could have been avoided if they would have just stepped out of the street when he told them to do so.
Sounds like it all could have been avoided if the cop let them walk down the street too and just moved on by.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:08 AM   #185
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You forgot another fact, which is that they left Michael Brown's body lying in the street for four hours.
I don't know why his body lay there for that period of time. My guess is the coroner or ME was unavailable or the situation immediately after the shooting became untenable from a security standpoint. Remember there were 100 folks on the scene immediately after shits rang out.

Cops called in 70 or so cops to assist. Keeping the scene pristine was of the utmost importance. Of course, they sent the shooting officer out immediately, but didn't say whether he left in his own cruiser. That's part of the crime scene so I hope it was left. Cause if it wasn't, that's huge gaffe by the Ferguson PD.
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Guess which business didn't get looted and burned (at least not yet)???? Hmmmmmmm, AR15s might have some utility in our culture yet!!

Does that utility also count for black Americans wanting to protect themselves from a police force that targets them highly disproportionately to other people & overall sees them as threats instead of citizens?
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Does that utility also count for black Americans wanting to protect themselves from a police force that targets them highly disproportionately to other people & overall sees them as threats instead of citizens?


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Old 08-12-2014, 11:13 AM   #188
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Yeah, that video that StormwatchDayz posted first implies that Brown boosted from the Ferguson Market then later says Brown "didn't steal shit, bruh." Which is not great for those of us interested in the whole truth.

But even if Brown stole some goods, that theft doesn't make Brown's shooting even a tiny bit more justified than it already was or wasn't.
The stealing aspect, at this juncture, serves two incidental purposes;

provides law enforcement with a reason for detaining/questioning the group

deflection/omission in those impassioned 'he was just walking home minding his business, down on his knees, arms raised high, pleading with the cop' narratives take a credibility hit.
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If it walks like a duck......
What's the duck standing in for in this metaphor?
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The stealing aspect, at this juncture, serves two incidental purposes;

provides law enforcement with a reason for detaining/questioning the group

deflection/omission in those impassioned 'he was just walking home minding his business, down on his knees, arms raised high, pleading with the cop' narratives take a credibility hit.
1) agreed

2) I don't think his credibility takes a hit if indeed he had given up. (IMO)
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The stealing aspect, at this juncture, serves two incidental purposes;

provides law enforcement with a reason for detaining/questioning the group

deflection/omission in those impassioned 'he was just walking home minding his business, down on his knees, arms raised high, pleading with the cop' narratives take a credibility hit.
True. I do wonder why the stealing claim hasn't been mentioned by the police at any point so far, to my knowledge. And at no point have eyewitnesses said that the reason for initial questioning had anything to do with a shoplift.
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The accounts are very different.
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Does that utility also count for black Americans wanting to protect themselves from a police force that targets them highly disproportionately to other people & overall sees them as threats instead of citizens?
Yes. I recommend they try that too.
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Reaper,

All citizens who can legally own a gun should be able to use them to protect themselves from looters and rioting mobs.


It still doesn't make sense to burn down places of business in your own neighborhood, even if the Police did commit a crime.
How does it punish the police and the city to burn down a qT?
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1) agreed

2) I don't think his credibility takes a hit if indeed he had given up. (IMO)
Whose credibility?
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