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Old 08-11-2014, 06:40 AM  
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:54 AM   #391
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This is flabbergasting to me: Rand Paul, a Presidential hopeful who is going to need to rely on his main supporters (who tend to be pretty backwards when it comes to issues pertaining to race) in 2016, can see how race affects the situation in Ferguson AND all throughout our justice system...but a 2nd term black President can't so much as hint at race during a press conference about Ferguson.

Obama had nothing much to lose if he acknowledged race today. Rand Paul has lots he could lose with Republican voters by acknowledging race. Rand Paul scored major points with me today.
That seems to be his strategy. If he actually somehow gets the nom (which he won't) he will be in decent shape in the general due to all this reasonable-sounding stuff. And the conservative media bubble will never bring it up because they'd still want him to win over a democrat. The problem is he's going to get destroyed in the primaries due to it.
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Old 08-14-2014, 11:55 AM   #392
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So the white kid received mercy, the black kid received justice. No one has received injustice.
This is just some kind of weal troll attempt joke right? I think we're done here.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:12 PM   #393
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Again they need to let blacks self-police. That way they will never be subjected to "profiling", brutality, unfair arrests or these shooting deaths. Everyone will be happier: Whites won't have to work in the new "Escape From New Yorks" that'll be created. And blacks will be happier being run by The Duke (for those who have seen the movie)
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:18 PM   #394
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Rand Paul agrees this is about race? http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/
He said there are a lot of problems present in this situation and that is one of them. The premise of the piece is that the US needs to demilitarize the police. But glad you could spot that line and highlight it for the rest of us.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:38 PM   #395
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https://storify.com/AthertonKD/veterans-on-ferguson

Veterans on Ferguson

The general consensus here: if this is militarization, it's the shittiest, least-trained, least professional military in the world, using weapons far beyond what they need, or what the military would use when doing crowd control.

Some of the tweets

jeffclement @jeffclement

A few people have pointed it out, but our ROE regarding who we could point weapons at in Afghanistan was more restrictive than cops in MO.
9:03 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Dan Bramos @CaptainAwwsum

I don't know how it was in IRQ and AFG, but in Bosnia we had less firepower while on patrol than the cops in #Ferguson
7:07 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Adam Weinstein @AdamWeinstein

Police have tons of mil gear, but they're not exactly "militarized." I know of plenty of line infantry units more compassionate than this.
9:00 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Josh Prentice @Cardozorolled

@AdamWeinstein Also, we contained riots in Baghdad next to mosques with less violence than the police are employing.
9:06 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Broken Handmic @13F2PL7

I leveled my weapon twice overseas. Leveled. Not fired. I had legit threats and went through proper EOF. Stop ****ing up, Ferguson PD.
9:07 PM - 13 Aug 2014


At the link there are a few pictures of what equipment our soldiers carried on patrol in Iraq and Afghanistan compared to what Ferguson PD are wearing for crowd control.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:34 PM   #396
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Rand Paul has spent the last month doing everything short of handing out purple drink to try to win support with the black vote. Of COURSE he's going to slide into this on the side of supporting an issue with a racial tone.


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This is flabbergasting to me: Rand Paul, a Presidential hopeful who is going to need to rely on his main supporters (who tend to be pretty backwards when it comes to issues pertaining to race) in 2016, can see how race affects the situation in Ferguson AND all throughout our justice system...but a 2nd term black President can't so much as hint at race during a press conference about Ferguson.

Obama had nothing much to lose if he acknowledged race today. Rand Paul has lots he could lose with Republican voters by acknowledging race. Rand Paul scored major points with me today.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:35 PM   #397
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:53 PM   #398
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Rand Paul has spent the last month doing everything short of handing out purple drink to try to win support with the black vote. Of COURSE he's going to slide into this on the side of supporting an issue with a racial tone.
What else has he done, off the top of your head? I try not to pay attention to that dude.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:27 PM   #399
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What else has he done, off the top of your head? I try not to pay attention to that dude.
http://newsone.com/3041432/rand-pauls-black-outreach/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4409356.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/us...eech.html?_r=0
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:32 PM   #400
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Veterans on Ferguson

The general consensus here: if this is militarization, it's the shittiest, least-trained, least professional military in the world, using weapons far beyond what they need, or what the military would use when doing crowd control.

Some of the tweets

jeffclement @jeffclement

A few people have pointed it out, but our ROE regarding who we could point weapons at in Afghanistan was more restrictive than cops in MO.
9:03 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Dan Bramos @CaptainAwwsum

I don't know how it was in IRQ and AFG, but in Bosnia we had less firepower while on patrol than the cops in #Ferguson
7:07 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Adam Weinstein @AdamWeinstein

Police have tons of mil gear, but they're not exactly "militarized." I know of plenty of line infantry units more compassionate than this.
9:00 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Josh Prentice @Cardozorolled

@AdamWeinstein Also, we contained riots in Baghdad next to mosques with less violence than the police are employing.
9:06 PM - 13 Aug 2014


Broken Handmic @13F2PL7

I leveled my weapon twice overseas. Leveled. Not fired. I had legit threats and went through proper EOF. Stop ****ing up, Ferguson PD.
9:07 PM - 13 Aug 2014


At the link there are a few pictures of what equipment our soldiers carried on patrol in Iraq and Afghanistan compared to what Ferguson PD are wearing for crowd control.
As a vet, this is BS unless these guys were cooks or something else similar. I was there for the surge and simply raising a rock as US forces would get someone shot. I know that restrictions were tightened about engagement, but regardless...soldiers in the line were geared far greater than officers.

Officers in todays US only bring out the toys when needed. Criminals are far greater armed than they were during the opey taylor days. You have fully automatic guns on the street, high powered rifles, etc.

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Old 08-14-2014, 02:43 PM   #401
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Rand Paul agrees this is about race? http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/
He lost my vote and likely a lot of people on the right. Too bad too because I liked him.

The initial act likely had nothing to do about race. The rioting has everything to do about race and everything to do with criminals being criminals.
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Old 08-14-2014, 03:03 PM   #403
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He lost my vote and likely a lot of people on the right. Too bad too because I liked him.

The initial act likely had nothing to do about race. The rioting has everything to do about race and everything to do with criminals being criminals.
Yep. It's amazing how often a GOP candidate will betray his own base to "reach out" to demos that not only hate the GOP but are about 1/5 or 1/6 the population. It's hilariously dumb.


You'll never see a Democrat "reach out" to white males or pro lifers or the NRA etc. they hate those demos and they're proud of it. Rand Paul? He terrified of the leftist media.
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Ouch, that certainly left a mark. Note to self, if you ever attend a protest throw on your Kevlar and safety glasses.
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Yep. It's amazing how often a GOP candidate will betray his own base to "reach out" to demos that not only hate the GOP but are about 1/5 or 1/6 the population. It's hilariously dumb.


You'll never see a Democrat "reach out" to white males or pro lifers or the NRA etc. they hate those demos and they're proud of it. Rand Paul? He terrified of the leftist media.
Oh, you mean he's smart enough to realize that he needs to reach out to demographics other than white christians.

Good for him.

If he played the game your way we'd likely see the GOP wilt away and die.
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