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Old 08-11-2014, 09:39 AM  
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:56 AM   #46
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He'll criticize the Obama admin, but what he can't escape is he criticizes Obama like a Chief's fan criticizes Dwayne Bowe or Priest Holmes fumbling in the playoffs, and criticizes non-Obamans like a Chiefs fan would criticize John Elway or Jack Tatum.
Perfect analogy.

Its why I pretty much dont watch Stewart or Colbert any more.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:48 AM   #47
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Yeah right, after the past three, or even four, presidents and presidential candidates 5X'd the same waffling or worse flat out lying—the kind that resulted in tens of thousands of American deaths, increased debt and more expensive healthcare etc etc ad nauseum. Rand's position does not harm a single American. On a scale of one to ten, I can cut Rand some slack—tho' I think he needs clarify he is not specifically targeting Israel.

The FACT is Rand has never supported cutting aid specifically to Israel and that's how some are re-framing his position.

The clown shoes are on media folks like Bltizer when asking if "No foreign aid for anyone" includes Israel. What part does Bltiz not understand of the word "no" or "none?" Geezaz, what bunch of clowns those media guys are.
They ask that question because Israel is what they really wanna know about. I'm sure Rand has figured out by now he has to suck Israels dick if he wants any shot at the presidency at all.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:55 PM   #48
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They ask that question because Israel is what they really wanna know about. I'm sure Rand has figured out by now he has to suck Israels dick if he wants any shot at the presidency at all.
Which is why I think he voted for their Iron Dome. Tho' Rand is a Christian. So I think he is willing to do some things for Israel. That's shown in his vote for sanctions on Iran and his belief that any strike on Israel is one on America. I don't agree with any of that though and his father doesn't agree with any of that either. It's not a 51st state.

As far as I am concerned, Justin Amish is the up-and-coming younger Ron Paul—not Rand. Justin is even more libertarian than Ron. He just doesn't have Ron's more low-key demeanor. Amish says Ron is "One of a Kind" and doesn't agree. Amish got thrown off the Budget Committee by the Establishment GOP for voting for a balanced budget in five years over the Ryan plan that takes 23 years by kicking the can down the road.

Amash did survive a primary challenge from the Establishment contender recently.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:59 PM   #49
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Oh, I absolutely think it's wrong to single out any particular country when including all; it doesn't make much sense. However, your statement was that he didn't propose cutting aid to Israel, which he absolutely did.
So why did Rand vote to fund Israel's Iron Dome? Let's distinguish between economic aid, which Israel does not need and military.
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:14 PM   #50
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So you are saying that, yes, he did propose cutting aid to Israel. Glad we agree.

All we care about is the literal, you're arguing semantics.

Did he single them out? No. Did he propose cutting aid to them? Yes.
But how is that any different from what I posted? I am not a Rand Paulite by any means but it is patently dishonest to frame the argument how Stewart did.

Why is that any different from saying Obama voted to build a fence on the border to keep out gays?
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:16 PM   #51
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But how is that any different from what I posted? I am not a Rand Paulite by any means but it is patently dishonest to frame the argument how Stewart did.

Why is that any different from saying Obama voted to build a fence on the border to keep out gays?
It will it keep gay Mexicans out, wont it?
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:17 PM   #52
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It will it keep gay Mexicans out, wont it?
Sure will. And he is on record voting for this obviously anti-gay measure!!!
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:33 PM   #53
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But how is that any different from what I posted? I am not a Rand Paulite by any means but it is patently dishonest to frame the argument how Stewart did.

Why is that any different from saying Obama voted to build a fence on the border to keep out gays?
Um...because a border fence would merely have the effect of preventing illegal entry of people over the Mexico/US border. It does not result in keeping out all gays, Mexican gays, or even all Mexicans.

However, stopping all foreign aid DOES have the effect of stopping all aid to Israel.

Don't be ridiculous.
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:35 PM   #54
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Don't be ridiculous.
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:22 PM   #55
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Um...because a border fence would merely have the effect of preventing illegal entry of people over the Mexico/US border. It does not result in keeping out all gays, Mexican gays, or even all Mexicans.

However, stopping all foreign aid DOES have the effect of stopping all aid to Israel.

Don't be ridiculous.
Logic fail dude. We are making a comparison of the framing not of the effectiveness of either position.

But I'll bite. Ok ... Obama wants to build a fence to keep out illegal gays! Better? See how dishonest the statement still is?
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Um...because a border fence would merely have the effect of preventing illegal entry of people over the Mexico/US border. It does not result in keeping out all gays, Mexican gays, or even all Mexicans.

However, stopping all foreign aid DOES have the effect of stopping all aid to Israel.

Don't be ridiculous.
It also has the effect of stopping all aid to Israel's enemies.

Remember all the funny Jon Stewart talked about not TWO WEEKS ago?

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Old 08-12-2014, 07:00 PM   #57
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Logic fail dude. We are making a comparison of the framing not of the effectiveness of either position.

But I'll bite. Ok ... Obama wants to build a fence to keep out illegal gays! Better? See how dishonest the statement still is?
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It also has the effect of stopping all aid to Israel's enemies.

Remember all the funny Jon Stewart talked about not TWO WEEKS ago?
If he didn't want to stop aid to Israel, he could have simply said stop aid to everyone except Israel. Not doing so means he's in favor of stopping aid to Israel. This is really not complicated.
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Isn't criticizing a politician for being for or against something that may have only been a very small part of what they said somewhere near the top of the list that rival politicians and media do?
I can't believe the Paulites are this surprised by this. It's pretty standard.
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If he didn't want to stop aid to Israel, he could have simply said stop aid to everyone except Israel. Not doing so means he's in favor of stopping aid to Israel. This is really not complicated.
The implied specificity is obviously misleading dumbass.

This really is not that complicated.
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If he didn't want to stop aid to Israel, he could have simply said stop aid to everyone except Israel. Not doing so means he's in favor of stopping aid to Israel. This is really not complicated.
If Obama didn't want the fence to keep out gays he should have specifically stated he wanted a fence to keep out all illegals EXCEPT gays.

No one is arguing that the implications of Paul's past statements don't also mean Israel would lose aid... the argument is that framing it as "cutting aid to Israel" is dishonest. Saying otherwise is moronic.
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