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World burns, Hill slams Obama, Obama teed off

Obama vacations as the world burns

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post
August 11 at 8:04 PM


President Obama must really be teed off.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, his once-loyal secretary of state and his likeliest successor, has gone rogue, criticizing his foreign policy as too timid.

Obama responded with not one but two rounds of golf.

Clinton, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg published by the Atlantic over the weekend, offered a withering comment on the Obama doctrine, described in shorthand by White House officials as “don’t do stupid s---.” Said Clinton: “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

As the criticism became public, Obama was doggedly sticking with his plans to go on vacation — a decision that, if not in the category of stupid stuff, could fit under the heading of “tone deafness.”

Obama stood on the South Lawn on Saturday updating Americans on the new bombing campaign in Iraq — and then he boarded Marine One for a two-week trip to Martha’s Vineyard. There, half an hour after arriving at his vacation home, he was already on his way to a golf course. He played again Sunday, then had a beach outing Monday followed by a political fundraiser.

Even presidents need down time, and Obama can handle his commander-in-chief duties wherever he is. But his decision to proceed with his getaway just 36 hours after announcing the military action in Iraq risks fueling the impression that he is detached as the world burns.

The highly visible wartime vacation (Obama allowed himself to be photographed on a putting green Saturday with NBA star Ray Allen and retired pro-football player Ahmad Rashad) was not looking any better Monday as Iraq’s political crisis worsened, NATO’s chief declared a “high probability” of Russian military intervention in Ukraine and Gaza remained on a knife edge.

By Monday afternoon, the crises had forced Obama to revise his schedule. The White House announced that the president, after returning from the beach, would make an unscheduled statement about Iraq. He freshened up at his 8,100-square-foot vacation home, then stepped outside, in a blue blazer and open collar; his aides wisely chose a wooded backdrop rather than one with the infinity pool and the sweeping water views. Obama finished his four-minute statement and then hopped in his motorcade for the ride to a Democratic fundraiser.

Such visuals probably won’t help Obama with the 60 percent of Americans who disapprove of his handling of foreign policy. Even his former secretary of state is registering her disapproval.

Clinton, in the interview, took a harder line than the administration has on Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Syria, saying she argued unsuccessfully for earlier arming and training of the Syrian opposition. “I know that the failure to help build up a credible fighting force . . . left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” she said.

She applied a bit of Clintonian triangulation to the foreign policies of Obama and George W. Bush, suggesting that there’s a just-right medium between the too-hot Bush policy and the too-cold Obama approach.

“I think part of the challenge is that our government too often has a tendency to swing between these extremes,” she said. She later added: “You know, when you’re down on yourself, and when you are hunkering down and pulling back, you’re not going to make any better decisions than when you were aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward.”

The no-confidence vote from Clinton (who, as luck would have it, also will be on Martha’s Vineyard this week) comes as Obama is smarting from criticism by hawks that the current mess in Iraq might not have occurred if he had kept U.S. troops there. “That entire analysis is bogus and is wrong,” the president said Saturday. “But it gets frequently peddled around here by folks who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made.”

It’s understandable that Obama would want to get away from it all, but for a president struggling to build support for his foreign policy, vacationing during a crisis is no day at the beach.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest reminded reporters Friday that Obama was traveling to the Vineyard “with an array of communications” and advisers. But when it came time for the president to speak, there was a 20-minute delay because the TV feed didn’t work, and when he finally spoke, the audio and video quality was poor.

Obama gave an update on progress toward “the limited military objectives” against the Islamic State in Iraq, and he praised the naming of a new prime minister. But he didn’t mention that the current one, Nouri al-Maliki, is refusing to surrender power, setting up a showdown.

Criticism from Clinton. War with the Islamic State. Trouble with Maliki. It’s enough to make a man hook his drive into the sand trap.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:39 PM   #16
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Why would you post a video titled "Obama promises no vacations for himself as president" when he doesn't say that? Seems kind of beneath you and more along the lines of an HCF post.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:40 PM   #17
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He did. After being ridiculed for playing golf during his presidency.

My point is, this isn't something limited to Obama. I watched the same exact shit happen when Bush was president.

I'd imagine the next president will be ridiculed for the same exact thing, though im curious to see who'll be "outraged" by it.
Just a pendulum swing. The left freaked out about Bush's "vacations" and playing golf. Now it's the right's turn.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:42 PM   #18
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Just a pendulum swing. The left freaked out about Bush's "vacations" and playing golf. Now it's the right's turn.
Yup, it's really childish and only stands to get worse. This country will never be happy with any president, ever.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:44 PM   #19
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Why would you post a video titled "Obama promises no vacations for himself as president" when he doesn't say that? Seems kind of beneath you and more along the lines of an HCF post.
What do you think Obama was saying in that video? Did you watch the whole thing?
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:45 PM   #20
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Just a pendulum swing. The left freaked out about Bush's "vacations" and playing golf. Now it's the right's turn.
Not that it matters (as you would say). but it was an unprecedented amount. About 5 times as much as Obama, not that it matters.
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:49 PM   #21
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Not that it matters (as you would say). but it was an unprecedented amount. About 5 times as much as Obama, not that it matters.
Don't freak out. It's okay. Let it go.
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What do you think Obama was saying in that video? Did you watch the whole thing?
Yes I watched it. Did you hear "If elected president, I will not take a vacation?"

Maybe you're being a bit too ridiculously literal. Perhaps it's that a president doesn't take a "real" vacation since he still at the very least has meetings and
briefings every day.

He also said a president gives up his family life. Do you think he meant a president does not see another family member during his term? Was he promising not to spend any time with his family for 4-8 years?
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Don't freak out. It's okay. Let it go.
...says guy who started the vacation topic...
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Yes I watched it. Did you hear "If elected president, I will not take a vacation?"

Maybe you're being a bit too ridiculously literal. Perhaps it's that a president doesn't take a "real" vacation since he still at the very least has meetings and
briefings every day.

He also said a president gives up his family life. Do you think he meant a president does not see another family member during his term? Was he promising not to spend any time with his family for 4-8 years?
Meh.

“The bargain that any president strikes with is, you give me this office and in turn my, fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure is gone,” Obama said. “I am giving myself to you.”

Obama went on to say that “the American people should have no patience for what’s going on in your head because you’ve got a job to do” and that people should only run for president if they’re willing to make that sacrifice.

When asked by the host if he could imagine himself making that kind of commitment, he said, “Sure.”


Do you deny he said that?
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...says guy who started the vacation topic...
I did? Where?

I didn't start the thread.
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Meh.

“The bargain that any president strikes with is, you give me this office and in turn my, fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure is gone,” Obama said. “I am giving myself to you.”

Obama went on to say that “the American people should have no patience for what’s going on in your head because you’ve got a job to do” and that people should only run for president if they’re willing to make that sacrifice.

When asked by the host if he could imagine himself making that kind of commitment, he said, “Sure.”


Do you deny he said that?
No.

Do you think he meant a president does not see another family member during his term? Was he promising not to spend any time with his family for 4-8 years?
Did he promise not to sleep for 4-8 years?
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No.

Do you think he meant a president does not see another family member during his term? Was he promising not to spend any time with his family for 4-8 years?
Did he promise not to sleep for 4-8 years?
No, I think he was being pretty arrogant and dramatic in saying that he'd do those things. But, then again, that's Obama and just another example of him not being ready for the office. You'll notice that he isn't smiling in this interview. He's very serious.

But, he did specifically mention vacations, too.
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I did? Where?

I didn't start the thread.
I didn't say you started the thread.
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I didn't say you started the thread.
Post #8.
You wrote this: "...says guy who started the vacation topic..."

If you'll take another look at the OP, you'll see "vacation" mentioned more than once.

Therefore, I did not start the vacation topic.

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