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Old 08-12-2014, 11:50 AM  
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World burns, Hill slams Obama, Obama teed off

Obama vacations as the world burns

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post
August 11 at 8:04 PM


President Obama must really be teed off.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, his once-loyal secretary of state and his likeliest successor, has gone rogue, criticizing his foreign policy as too timid.

Obama responded with not one but two rounds of golf.

Clinton, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg published by the Atlantic over the weekend, offered a withering comment on the Obama doctrine, described in shorthand by White House officials as “don’t do stupid s---.” Said Clinton: “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

As the criticism became public, Obama was doggedly sticking with his plans to go on vacation — a decision that, if not in the category of stupid stuff, could fit under the heading of “tone deafness.”

Obama stood on the South Lawn on Saturday updating Americans on the new bombing campaign in Iraq — and then he boarded Marine One for a two-week trip to Martha’s Vineyard. There, half an hour after arriving at his vacation home, he was already on his way to a golf course. He played again Sunday, then had a beach outing Monday followed by a political fundraiser.

Even presidents need down time, and Obama can handle his commander-in-chief duties wherever he is. But his decision to proceed with his getaway just 36 hours after announcing the military action in Iraq risks fueling the impression that he is detached as the world burns.

The highly visible wartime vacation (Obama allowed himself to be photographed on a putting green Saturday with NBA star Ray Allen and retired pro-football player Ahmad Rashad) was not looking any better Monday as Iraq’s political crisis worsened, NATO’s chief declared a “high probability” of Russian military intervention in Ukraine and Gaza remained on a knife edge.

By Monday afternoon, the crises had forced Obama to revise his schedule. The White House announced that the president, after returning from the beach, would make an unscheduled statement about Iraq. He freshened up at his 8,100-square-foot vacation home, then stepped outside, in a blue blazer and open collar; his aides wisely chose a wooded backdrop rather than one with the infinity pool and the sweeping water views. Obama finished his four-minute statement and then hopped in his motorcade for the ride to a Democratic fundraiser.

Such visuals probably won’t help Obama with the 60 percent of Americans who disapprove of his handling of foreign policy. Even his former secretary of state is registering her disapproval.

Clinton, in the interview, took a harder line than the administration has on Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Syria, saying she argued unsuccessfully for earlier arming and training of the Syrian opposition. “I know that the failure to help build up a credible fighting force . . . left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” she said.

She applied a bit of Clintonian triangulation to the foreign policies of Obama and George W. Bush, suggesting that there’s a just-right medium between the too-hot Bush policy and the too-cold Obama approach.

“I think part of the challenge is that our government too often has a tendency to swing between these extremes,” she said. She later added: “You know, when you’re down on yourself, and when you are hunkering down and pulling back, you’re not going to make any better decisions than when you were aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward.”

The no-confidence vote from Clinton (who, as luck would have it, also will be on Martha’s Vineyard this week) comes as Obama is smarting from criticism by hawks that the current mess in Iraq might not have occurred if he had kept U.S. troops there. “That entire analysis is bogus and is wrong,” the president said Saturday. “But it gets frequently peddled around here by folks who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made.”

It’s understandable that Obama would want to get away from it all, but for a president struggling to build support for his foreign policy, vacationing during a crisis is no day at the beach.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest reminded reporters Friday that Obama was traveling to the Vineyard “with an array of communications” and advisers. But when it came time for the president to speak, there was a 20-minute delay because the TV feed didn’t work, and when he finally spoke, the audio and video quality was poor.

Obama gave an update on progress toward “the limited military objectives” against the Islamic State in Iraq, and he praised the naming of a new prime minister. But he didn’t mention that the current one, Nouri al-Maliki, is refusing to surrender power, setting up a showdown.

Criticism from Clinton. War with the Islamic State. Trouble with Maliki. It’s enough to make a man hook his drive into the sand trap.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:58 PM   #31
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Once again, cosmobama tries to defend the indefensible
Golf = indefensible

This is what we've come to around here.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:01 PM   #32
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No, I think he was being pretty arrogant and dramatic in saying that he'd do those things. But, then again, that's Obama and just another example of him not being ready for the office. You'll notice that he isn't smiling in this interview. He's very serious.

But, he did specifically mention vacations, too.
Yes he mentioned several things. All pretty clearly figurative--except of course for vacations--which was literal and a promise.
It's like you took a nap and awoke as pete.

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Old 08-12-2014, 03:06 PM   #33
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Golf = indefensible only when W. did it
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:24 PM   #34
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I don't recall him getting a lot of shit about golf until "We must do all we can to stop these terrorist killers! Now watch this drive."
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:26 PM   #35
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I don't recall him getting a lot of shit about golf until "We must do all we can to stop these terrorist killers! Now watch this drive."
so as long as Obama doesn't say "Now watch this drive" then it's all good. Thanks for proving what a buttschill you are.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:49 PM   #36
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:56 PM   #37
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:57 PM   #38
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so as long as Obama doesn't say "Now watch this drive" then it's all good. Thanks for proving what a buttschill you are.
Bush--didn't get shit until he said something really stupid while putting a spotlight on his golfing.
Obama--got shit for merely golfing/going on "vacation."

It's kind of a microcosm of the two administrations' critics. Bush gets shit for actually doing something stupid, Obama gets shit for ordinary things from whining nitpickers.
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:01 PM   #39
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Bush--didn't get shit until he said something really stupid while putting a spotlight on his golfing.
Obama--got shit for merely golfing/going on "vacation."

It's kind of a microcosm of the two administrations' critics. Bush gets shit for actually doing something stupid, Obama gets shit for ordinary things from whining nitpickers.
......you've more excuses than a kid trying to get out of school
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:05 PM   #40
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Thanks for proving what a buttschill you are.

RWNJ mindset:

RWNJ says stuff that is clearly false BS = perfectly acceptable
Non-RWNJ calls out the clearly false BS = dirty buttschill [sic]
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:38 PM   #42
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I will interject that this isn't a "vacation thread", it's a thread about how Obama seems to be completely mailing it in at a time when numerous crises exist around the world that we've complicated by having one foot in and one foot out. But once his former Secretary of State does interviews blasting his failed foreign policy doctrines, the administration instantly is very well engaged in fighting back on that front. It feeds the perception that they care more about narratives than about issues, and more about optics than facts, while somehow completely failing on narratives and optics.
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Obama has a bad habit. many. But one is overriding. He cannot tell the truth. He has a disconnect between realty and Obama'sWorld.

He parses his words, restates any comment in a new spin and then will just flat lie. And he has no problems doing it and will not accept any responsibility.

This is a fun clip...Obama on not taking vacations as President....

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Old 08-13-2014, 07:50 AM   #44
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Once again, cosmobama tries to defend the indefensible
I'm really worried that Cosmo will get his Obama toy stuck one of these days and end up like this guy.

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Cochise is a joke. If Republican and Congressional Hawks think getting embroiled in another war in the Middle East is the answer, then why don't they just get together and "Declare" another war.

What kind of Constitutionalists are these men,when the power is vested in them and NOT the president, who they are suing for usurping their Constitutional powers?

Why aren't these Cassandras such as the Cochises, HCFs, patteeus, Dongers and other Republican Hawks criticizing their own Republican congressmen for not declaring a new war to repair the damage their own earlier military interventions have caused?

Especially Graham who engages in semi-hysterical allegations that ISIS is “existential threat” to our homeland? Kinda like Donger.

Obama has no authority to just start a new pre-emptive war or to start bombing. That power is vested in Congress. Just do it and call Obama up from his vacation. For Crissakes is that simple.

What a bunch of spineless men.
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