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Old 08-12-2014, 11:50 AM  
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World burns, Hill slams Obama, Obama teed off

Obama vacations as the world burns

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post
August 11 at 8:04 PM


President Obama must really be teed off.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, his once-loyal secretary of state and his likeliest successor, has gone rogue, criticizing his foreign policy as too timid.

Obama responded with not one but two rounds of golf.

Clinton, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg published by the Atlantic over the weekend, offered a withering comment on the Obama doctrine, described in shorthand by White House officials as “don’t do stupid s---.” Said Clinton: “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

As the criticism became public, Obama was doggedly sticking with his plans to go on vacation — a decision that, if not in the category of stupid stuff, could fit under the heading of “tone deafness.”

Obama stood on the South Lawn on Saturday updating Americans on the new bombing campaign in Iraq — and then he boarded Marine One for a two-week trip to Martha’s Vineyard. There, half an hour after arriving at his vacation home, he was already on his way to a golf course. He played again Sunday, then had a beach outing Monday followed by a political fundraiser.

Even presidents need down time, and Obama can handle his commander-in-chief duties wherever he is. But his decision to proceed with his getaway just 36 hours after announcing the military action in Iraq risks fueling the impression that he is detached as the world burns.

The highly visible wartime vacation (Obama allowed himself to be photographed on a putting green Saturday with NBA star Ray Allen and retired pro-football player Ahmad Rashad) was not looking any better Monday as Iraq’s political crisis worsened, NATO’s chief declared a “high probability” of Russian military intervention in Ukraine and Gaza remained on a knife edge.

By Monday afternoon, the crises had forced Obama to revise his schedule. The White House announced that the president, after returning from the beach, would make an unscheduled statement about Iraq. He freshened up at his 8,100-square-foot vacation home, then stepped outside, in a blue blazer and open collar; his aides wisely chose a wooded backdrop rather than one with the infinity pool and the sweeping water views. Obama finished his four-minute statement and then hopped in his motorcade for the ride to a Democratic fundraiser.

Such visuals probably won’t help Obama with the 60 percent of Americans who disapprove of his handling of foreign policy. Even his former secretary of state is registering her disapproval.

Clinton, in the interview, took a harder line than the administration has on Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Syria, saying she argued unsuccessfully for earlier arming and training of the Syrian opposition. “I know that the failure to help build up a credible fighting force . . . left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” she said.

She applied a bit of Clintonian triangulation to the foreign policies of Obama and George W. Bush, suggesting that there’s a just-right medium between the too-hot Bush policy and the too-cold Obama approach.

“I think part of the challenge is that our government too often has a tendency to swing between these extremes,” she said. She later added: “You know, when you’re down on yourself, and when you are hunkering down and pulling back, you’re not going to make any better decisions than when you were aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward.”

The no-confidence vote from Clinton (who, as luck would have it, also will be on Martha’s Vineyard this week) comes as Obama is smarting from criticism by hawks that the current mess in Iraq might not have occurred if he had kept U.S. troops there. “That entire analysis is bogus and is wrong,” the president said Saturday. “But it gets frequently peddled around here by folks who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made.”

It’s understandable that Obama would want to get away from it all, but for a president struggling to build support for his foreign policy, vacationing during a crisis is no day at the beach.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest reminded reporters Friday that Obama was traveling to the Vineyard “with an array of communications” and advisers. But when it came time for the president to speak, there was a 20-minute delay because the TV feed didn’t work, and when he finally spoke, the audio and video quality was poor.

Obama gave an update on progress toward “the limited military objectives” against the Islamic State in Iraq, and he praised the naming of a new prime minister. But he didn’t mention that the current one, Nouri al-Maliki, is refusing to surrender power, setting up a showdown.

Criticism from Clinton. War with the Islamic State. Trouble with Maliki. It’s enough to make a man hook his drive into the sand trap.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:10 AM   #46
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I will interject that this isn't a "vacation thread", it's a thread about how Obama seems to be completely mailing it in at a time when numerous crises exist around the world that we've complicated by having one foot in and one foot out. But once his former Secretary of State does interviews blasting his failed foreign policy doctrines, the administration instantly is very well engaged in fighting back on that front. It feeds the perception that they care more about narratives than about issues, and more about optics than facts, while somehow completely failing on narratives and optics.
You are an absolute idiot and joke of a conservative. It's the duty of Congress to declare another war—NOT the president. I don't see you putting up a thread demanding that Congress be called back from their vacations to declare war on ISIS, who has NOT attacked us.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:12 AM   #47
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Wait for it, wait for it.....

"He's not on vacation, he's tele-working! He still has the red phone and he's getting constant updates. It was only "vacation" when any OTHER President was doing what he's doing, but he's working"

The man is a mother****er....




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Obama has a bad habit. many. But one is overriding. He cannot tell the truth. He has a disconnect between realty and Obama'sWorld.

He parses his words, restates any comment in a new spin and then will just flat lie. And he has no problems doing it and will not accept any responsibility.

This is a fun clip...Obama on not taking vacations as President....

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Old 08-13-2014, 08:13 AM   #48
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Wait for it, wait for it.....

"He's not on vacation, he's tele-working! He still has the red phone and he's getting constant updates. It was only "vacation" when any OTHER President was doing what he's doing, but he's working"

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No Congress has the power to either write a military authorization or declare war—NOT the president. Congressional Republicans are not doing THEIR jobs.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:18 AM   #49
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No Congress has the power to either write a military authorization or declare war—NOT the president. Congressional Republicans are not doing THEIR jobs.
A) I think you missed a comma after "No"

B) What does that have to do with the price of tea in Ferguson?
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Turkey has an air force and the second largest military in NATO. ISIS doesn't have an air force. Turkey's military is equipped well with US weapons. Add in the Syrian govt's army, Iran's military, and Kurds who all hate ISIS should all form a coalition with Turkey to handle ISIS who is outnumbered and outgunned by such a coalition. Why do we have to do it all?
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:22 AM   #51
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A) I think you missed a comma after "No"
So. Most can still get the point. I'm not writing a school paper.

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B) What does that have to do with the price of tea in Ferguson?
You really need to ask this?

If so, then most Republicans are clearly lost when it comes to knowing how our Constitution works.
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Also, ISIS has only gained ground by committing atrocities—even their own Sunni's are chafing under their rule. They've even turned-off Al Qaeda. There is no reason why the armies of the MidEast cannot defeat them.

BTW I haven't a problem with the humanitarian aid dropped down to those people on the mountain top or rescuing them.
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Were you this upset when Bush was golfing? Or Clinton?
Neither of them promised that they wouldn't take vacations, the video Donger provided Obama said he implied he won't take any vacations as president.
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Neither of them promised that they wouldn't take vacations, the video Donger provided Obama said he implied he won't take any vacations as president.
We should all know better than to take anything Candidate Obama said seriously.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:25 AM   #56
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So. Most can still get the point. I'm not writing a school paper.



You really need to ask this?

If so, then most Republicans are clearly lost when it comes to knowing how our Constitution works.
I'm hardly a grammar Nazi, but that missing comma was kind of key.

Constitutional scholar or not, MY point was that the liberals - after so much whining about Bush's trips to his ranch in Texas - AND this goofy President saying what he said IN THE CLIP (!!!), were going to somehow say the same things EVERY president has said about not needing to be in the White House to do their jobs.

But in this case THIS fool allowed himself to be interviewed saying he would NOT be like the others. Now the butt-hurt from the left as, once again, he's proven to have not been accurate.

Face it, BO man is a goof and his house of cards is falling.
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Also, ISIS has only gained ground by committing atrocities—even their own Sunni's are chafing under their rule. They've even turned-off Al Qaeda. There is no reason why the armies of the MidEast cannot defeat them.

BTW I haven't a problem with the humanitarian aid dropped down to those people on the mountain top or rescuing them.
Good thing they don't have WMD...
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:41 AM   #58
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I'm hardly a grammar Nazi, but that missing comma was kind of key.

Constitutional scholar or not, MY point was that the liberals - after so much whining about Bush's trips to his ranch in Texas - AND this goofy President saying what he said IN THE CLIP (!!!), were going to somehow say the same things EVERY president has said about not needing to be in the White House to do their jobs.

But in this case THIS fool allowed himself to be interviewed saying he would NOT be like the others. Now the butt-hurt from the left as, once again, he's proven to have not been accurate.

Face it, BO man is a goof and his house of cards is falling.
I got the vacation point. I am simply reminding folks, that on the world burning strongly suggesting military action, there's no need to call Obama out when it's the job of congress to authorize a military action. So it's hypocritical. Actually laughable. Congress should be calling other congresspeople back from vacation. If they authorize a military action, then Obama has to act. That's the way it works. The Republicans are deflecting here, while calling Obama out for usurping their Constitutional role. Don't know about you but that's pretty dishonest of them.
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I got the vacation point. I am simply reminding folks, that on the world burning strongly suggesting military action, there's no need to call Obama out when it's the job of congress to authorize a military action. So it's hypocritical. Actually laughable. Congress should be calling other congresspeople back from vacation. If they authorize a military action, then Obama has to act. That's the way it works. The Republicans are deflecting here, while calling Obama out for usurping their Constitutional role. Don't know about you but that's pretty dishonest of them.
Hmmmmmm, you might be onto something. Perhaps we should discuss if a congressional recess is the same as a "vacation"? I'm sure it is if you don't like the congressperson, but alas, many will say "It's so the fine folks in our ever-popular congress can return and reconnect with their constituents." Perhaps even campaign.... Anyway, I know a lot of congress is rushing home to capture optics of them in front of flags, question the janitor in local IRS office about electric stuff, find out where the local VA actually is (and take a photo of them with somebody there too!!), check-in with their local VFW (after they find it), and other such photo-ops that prove they were there (at least once). You know all the stuff they've recently claimed they've been "on top of for years and years" that they now have to figure some good cover for...

Anyway, I'm sure they relax a bit, but I'll bet they'll all quickly deny that it's a vacation.
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