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Old 12-27-2003, 07:11 AM  
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Although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society, Islam becomes the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world?


A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times: October 22, 2001, Monday
Section: National Desk

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3016/fastest.htm

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

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http://www.islamtomorrow.net/converts/yusuf_islam.htm
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Old 12-27-2003, 09:40 AM   #2
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I challenge the Muslims to breed as fast as Mormons and Catholics!
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Old 12-27-2003, 09:43 AM   #3
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I challenge the Muslims to breed as fast as Mormons and Catholics!

They do. They just kill em off faster.
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Old 12-27-2003, 09:56 AM   #4
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This has been a point of contention with the Catholic Church for a long time. Western Christians simply are not breeding as fast as the Muslims of the world.

Unfortunately, I sat next to a priest on a flight too Dallas. This guy was an outright bigot at times. Speaking loudly against the godless Muslims and how they are completely set on destroying Christianity. In his mind he completely believed it was a planned conspiracy to out breed Christians, and blamed our final doom on abortion, womenís rights, and birth control. Iím Catholic by birth and agreed with him on some points, but he was way over the top. He stopped just short of suggestion another Crusade.
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Old 12-27-2003, 10:17 AM   #5
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The Muslims want to turn this into a holy war. It is our job to show them its just a bunch of lying zealots who want to blame their own stupid economical policies on the US. We need to get that region of the world stablized economically, not match them with rhetoric.
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Old 12-27-2003, 12:23 PM   #6
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I'm cool with most Muslims, and it's actually not an inherintly evil faith (unless you use the generalization that anything that is not of your own particular faith is inherantly evil) about .0005% of the Muslim population is getting 100% of the Muslim representation. I'm currently in a country whose population is around 65% Muslim. And my job is to kill those bastard Muslims that are hogging the spotlight. I have yet to run into one that wasn't smiling and supportive, and very polite and kind. Whatever religion is in the majority concerns me not. As long as the moral structure of the world remains intact, or better yet improves, I'll continue with my beliefs and the rest of the world can continue with theirs.
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Old 12-27-2003, 11:19 PM   #7
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From what I've heard from different friends of mine who have converted to Islam, there are a few main reasons for most conversions.

1. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc...many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected, even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.

2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes . Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearence. You buy a five dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.

3. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

That's what I got from the new Muslimah's group at Yahoo, Islamway women's board and a few other friends of mine. Stats taken by many college groups say that women convert 4 times more often then men.


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Why Are Women Turning to Islam
At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are WOMEN .
The status of women is society is neither a new issue nor is it a fully settled one, and where Islam is mentioned, for many the term 'Muslim Women' prompts images of exhausted mothers chained to the stove, 'victims' suppressed in a life of indoctrination, frantic to be westernized and so on. Others will go to great lengths to explain how the hijaab is an obstacle, clouding the mind, and comment that female converts are either brainwashed, stupid or traitors to their sex. I reject such accusations and pose to them the following question: why is it that so many women who have been born and brought in the so called 'civilized' societies of Europe and America are willing to reject their 'liberty' and 'independence' to embrace a religion that supposedly oppresses them and is widely assumed to be prejudicial to them?
As a Christian convert to Islam, I can only present my personal experience and reasons for rejecting the 'freedom' that women claim to have in this society in favour of the only Religion that truly liberates women by giving us a status and position which is completely unique when compared with that of non-muslim counterparts. Before coming to Islam, I had strong feminist tendencies and recognized that where the women was concerned, a lot of shuffling around had been going on, yet without being able to pin her on the social map. The problem was ongoing: new 'women's issues' being raised without the previous ones being satisfactorily resolved. Like the many women who shared my background, I would accuse Islam of being a sexist religion, discriminating, oppressing and giving men the greater privileges. All this coming from a person who did not even know Islam, one who had been blinded due to ignorance and had accepted this deliberately distorted definition of Islam.
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However, despite my criticisms of Islam, inwardly I wasn't satisfied with my own status as a women in this society. It seemed to me that society would define such terms as 'liberty' and 'freedom' and then these definitions were accepted by women without us even attempting to question or challenge them. There was clearly a great contradiction between what women were told in theory and what actually happens in practice.* The more I pondered, the greater emptiness I felt within. I was slowly beginning to reach a stage where my dissatisfaction with my status as a women in this society, was really a reflection of my greater dissatisfaction with society itself. Everything seemed to be degenerating backwards, despite the claims that the 2000 was going to be the decade of success and prosperity. Something vital seemed to be missing from my life and nothing would fill this vacuum. Being a Christian did not do anything for me, and I began to question the validity of only remembering God one day a week - Sundays! As with many other Christians too, I had become disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Church and was becoming increasingly unhappy with the concept of Trinity and the deification of Jesus. Eventually, I began to look into Islam. At first, I was only interested in looking at those issues which specifically dealt with women. I was surprised. What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them. As Allah says: Whoever does deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them [Nisaa 4:124]
So having amended my misconceptions about the true status of women in Islam, I was now looking further. I wanted to find that thing which was going to fill the vacuum in my life. My attention was drawn towards the beliefs and practices of Islam. It was only through establishing the fundamentals that I would understand where to turn and what to prioritize. These are often the areas which receive little attention or controversy in society, and when studying the Islamic Creed, it becomes clear why this is the case: such concise, faultless and wholly comprehensive details cannot be found elsewhere.
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Old 12-27-2003, 11:23 PM   #8
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Old 12-27-2003, 11:29 PM   #9
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That's terrible how people "choose" their religion by how they would appear in public.
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Old 12-28-2003, 12:30 AM   #10
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2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture
im sorry that is a cop out...no one forces women to dress pretty or wear make-up..that is what is called a choice...these people that use this as an excuse for changing religions are retards..you do not change your religion for public acceptance or lack there of... if you want to be a muslim cool..do it for the religion not because you dont want to show your boobs or wear panty hose...


as for the restrictions...pig was forbidden because it was a parasite infected animal that was not clean to eat... they could eat it today but choose not to change the law...

and i agree muslims get a bad rap... most i know are great and love america...
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"Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons, and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK, USNEWS (7/20/98)
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"In fact, religion experts say Islam is the second-largest religion in the United States... Islam has 5 million to 6 million members, followed by Judaism, with approximately 4.5 million..... And Islam is believed to be fastest-growing religion in the country, with expansion coming from conversions." By ELSA C. ARNETT, Knight-Ridder News Service
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Old 12-28-2003, 03:35 AM   #12
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Islamic spam on a Chiefs board?You could at least express your love for Rich Gannon first before trying to "teach" me about how Cat Stevens is even remotely famous!
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So Rinard.... are you a Chiefs fan?
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Old 12-28-2003, 11:31 AM   #14
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In most Islamic societies women do not have rights. Its a society where a man can go outside the marriage but a woman is stoned for adultery. It is commonplace for women to have their clitoris removed at an early age so they cannot enjoy sex and will thus have no desire to go outside of the marriage. While its true that this society can make sex objects out of women, its is better than being a sexual non-entity. Only the man is supposed to enjoy sex.
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Old 12-29-2003, 04:07 AM   #15
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I think you should visit this site to see how much Islam respecte woman compared to Christianity:

Women in Christianity and Islam

http://www.beconvinced.com/women/CH_IS.htm
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