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Old 01-14-2004, 08:19 AM  
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An Act of Supreme Loyalty
1/14/2004 6:17 AM

The columnists dissect the 2003 season and take a look at what's ahead for the Chiefs in '04. Read it here in a series of columns beginning next week.


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By Bob Gretz
January 14, 2004 (morning)--Last year, Dick Vermeil showed his loyalty to Greg Robinson by retaining him on his coaching staff.

Robinson paid back that loyalty on Tuesday by resigning as the defensive coordinator of the Chiefs.

It was an extraordinary act by Robinson. He put aside ego, all pretense and he fell on his sword for Dick Vermeil. Team and Vermeil came ahead of himself. No small wonder why the head coach was so emotional when he talked about Robinson and why he felt like he let his assistant down.

In more than 25 years of covering the NFL, Iíve never witnessed anything that came close to Tuesdayís morning gathering. The raw emotion was unforgettable. It was a window into the world that Vermeil has created with his football team. It was a window into the world of coaching and all the twists and turns that make the business so exciting and so heart breaking.

First, Robinson did the right thing in offering to resign. Secondly, Vermeil did the right thing in accepting. After everything that happened with the Chiefs in 2003, the focus was entirely on Robinson and the defense. It would have been impossible for this organization to make enough changes in other areas to overcome the negativity that would have surrounded Robinsonís further employment.

Thereís no question the defense was broken. Robinson and the defensive staff tried their best, but in the end it did not come together on the field. Last year, Robinson was handicapped by a defense that had few talented players. This season, the talent level was improved, but it still wasnít enough.

What was missing was a defensive mind-set thatís absolutely imperative to success in the NFL. Yes, football today is more complicated than it was years ago. Defenses must react to offenses, they must take part in the chess game.

But they must do it with an attitude that was seldom evident around the Chiefs defense. It was never there in 2002, showed itself early in 2003, but then disappeared, returning just briefly for the Chicago game. For that, the players, Robinson, the defensive staff and Vermeil must share the blame.

Beyond scheme, beyond talent, what this Chiefs defensive unit needs is an infusion of passion. When Vermeil picks Robinsonís successor, thatís should be the most important part of his resume.

There are many people celebrating Robinsonís departure, reveling in kicking a man when heís down, laughing at the raw emotion he was willing to share on what was probably the worst day of his professional life. If you are one of those people, like the classless folks who started a web site to promote the firing of Robinson, please seek help. You believe the success of the team is more important to you, than the people who give their blood, sweat and tears each and every day to make it work. You are deranged and can not a hold a candle to a man like Robinson.

Anybody who witnessed what happened at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday morning should now have a better understanding of what the people who coach in this business put on the line. They donít always get it right, they donít always produce.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:13 PM   #136
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:13 PM   #137
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Bob Dole didn't see the photos, but they sound really, really scary.
Post #59 of the "frazod, is that what you're looking for" thread about two days ago, and then you can work back from there. They're very, very tasteless and very, very funny.

Since Denise misunderstood, I should point out that they were satire and do not in any way reflect an intent to send 600,000 troops with M-16s to Greg Robinson's house, along with B-52's and napalm attacks.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:24 PM   #138
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After reading Bob Gretz's recent article, I've got to wonder: How can he insult the fans of the Chiefs? Classless? For wanting the defense of the team I root for to be at least mediocre, rather than the joke of the NFL?
For 23 years I've put my heart into this team every training camp, spent thousands of dollars on tickets, concessions and Chiefs merchandise, sat in the cold and rain, and have seen exactly 3 playoff wins. Three. I have earned the RIGHT to rip the kicker that shall go unnamed for missing his kicks. Iíve earned the RIGHT to rip Grbac for throwing the ball 4 yards short. Iíve earned the RIGHT to rip Marty for all of his playoff defeats. Iíve earned the RIGHT to complain about a coordinator who was in charge of the worst defense in 2002, and the 30th in 2003.
Sure, Robinson may be a great guy, but he's a terrible coordinator. Think about it--if I were the worst at my job, I would be, and should be, fired immediately. But football is different--you can suck and still be employed, or be good and still lose your job. At least yesterday the person who deserved a majority (although not all) of the blame took the fall. Fans may not put their ďblood and sweatĒ into the team, but they sure as hell have put in their tears Ö not to mention millions of dollars that support all aspects of the organization.
My sentiments are the same...nice read, and this is exactly how I feel as well.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:28 PM   #139
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Bob Dole didn't see the photos, but they sound really, really scary.


If you had, you would have been so traumatized that you would have moved back to Texas just to get farther away from these psychos in the KC area.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:53 PM   #140
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[I checked one particular site and all the articles had already been pulled and a thank you for doing the right thing

I would hope that when you start [referring] to fans with derogatory comments you remember that they (we) are the base of support for this team. If we didn't care we wouldn't speak up.]


I find these two sentences say it all, the first sentence says yea there was some nasty stuff written but it was removed. So in essence no harm no foul.

The second sentence, is we as the fans have a right to be as nasty as we want to be but how dare you @#$@! (add your favorite derogatory name for a horizontally challenged person) call us on it.


Mr Redbrian, are you per chance Bob Gretz? First off, you want to use my quotes, give credit. Second, don't take them out of context and twist them for your own purposes. Oh, and don't add any meanings into them that I didn't put in them.
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Old 01-14-2004, 01:58 PM   #141
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Gretz call us classless and deranged
After being on Chiefs Planet since it's beginnings I'd say Mr Gretz is pretty dead on. So sue me!

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Old 01-14-2004, 01:59 PM   #142
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Since Denise misunderstood, I should point out that they were satire and do not in any way reflect an intent to send 600,000 troops with M-16s to Greg Robinson's house, along with B-52's and napalm attacks.
I understand they were supposed to be 'parody' but putting a gun to someone's head is not funny.

Face it, there were hurt feelings and angry people on the board who temporarily put their sense of common decency on the back burner while their emotions were running amok...

can't blame you for suffering from PMS or PTSD or whatever...Just don't expect people who aren't as angry or depressed as you to find holding a gun to someone's head to be funny.
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Old 01-14-2004, 02:03 PM   #143
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Can't blame you for suffering from PMS or PTSD or whatever...just don't expect people who aren't as angry or depressed as you to find holding a gun to someone's head to be funny.
Wow, a direct attack at Rain Man. I don't think I've ever seen that "attack the court jester" manuever attempted before.... we're breaking new boundries everyday in bulletin board warfare.
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Old 01-14-2004, 02:05 PM   #144
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Face it, there were hurt feelings and angry people on the board who temporarily put their sense of common decency on the back burner while their emotions were running amok...
Since when was having a sense of common decency a prerequisite for posting on this BB?
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Old 01-14-2004, 02:07 PM   #145
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Well, this was a pretty cool thread until a certain somebody arrived.....





It happens all too often, I'm afraid.






Dartgod, will you please have the common decency to stay off all the cool threads until they've been hijacked?
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Old 01-14-2004, 02:08 PM   #146
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I understand they were supposed to be 'parody' but putting a gun to someone's head is not funny.

Face it, there were hurt feelings and angry people on the board who temporarily put their sense of common decency on the back burner while their emotions were running amok...

can't blame you for suffering from PMS or PTSD or whatever...Just don't expect people who aren't as angry or depressed as you to find holding a gun to someone's head to be funny.


Quite the dumbass you are.
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I understand they were supposed to be 'parody' but putting a gun to someone's head is not funny.

Face it, there were hurt feelings and angry people on the board who temporarily put their sense of common decency on the back burner while their emotions were running amok...
that thread was cathartic(if you need the definition: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cathartic scroll down for the adjective, and it's the first definition, although the other two also will work ).

if you were a Chiefs fan, you would understand the loss that was experienced.
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Old 01-14-2004, 02:13 PM   #148
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Wow, a direct attack at Rain Man. I don't think I've ever seen that "attack the court jester" manuever attempted before.... we're breaking new boundries everyday in bulletin board warfare.
That was pretty cool, wasn't it? I love new things.
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I also must admit I find it extremely ironic that a Raiders fan is making comments about how inappropriate a picture is when they support a team and organization who's legion of fans is known nationwide as a very violent group that has gone to the lengths of stabbing and urinating on people, among other things.
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Dartgod, will you please have the common decency to stay off all the cool threads until they've been hijacked?
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