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Old 09-13-2004, 10:45 AM  
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Ooops: US fires on crowd in Iraq, reporter killed on live TV

Well this video is going to bring alot of goodwill from the Arab world. I guess it's been shown on newscasts around the world though interestingly not on US channels.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...tm&floc=NW_1-T

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Surge of Baghdad Violence Leaves 60 Dead
By ROBERT H. REID

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgents hammered central Baghdad on Sunday with one of their most intense mortar and rocket barrages ever in the heart of the capital, heralding a day of violence that killed nearly 60 people nationwide as security appeared to spiral out of control.

At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.

The dead from the helicopter strike included Arab television reporter Mazen al-Tumeizi, who screamed, ``I'm dying, I'm dying,'' as a cameraman recorded the chaotic scene. An Iraqi cameraman working for the Reuters news agency and an Iraqi freelance photographer for Getty Images were wounded.

Maimed and lifeless bodies of young men and boys lay in the street as the stricken U.S. vehicle was engulfed in flames and thick black smoke.


Across the country, the death toll Sunday was at least 59, according to figures from the Health Ministry, the Multinational Force command and local authorities.


Nearly 200 people were wounded, more than half of them in Baghdad.


Strong detonations again shook the center of Baghdad after sunset Sunday. There were no reports of damage or casualties.


As the early morning barrage was under way in Baghdad, insurgents attacked the infamous U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison on the city's western edge. Several mortar shells exploded outside the complex about 6 a.m., and about 20 minutes later a pickup truck packed with artillery shells crashed through the chain-link fence on the outer perimeter.


Marines opened fire and the vehicle exploded before reaching the main security wall, killing the driver, a military statement said. Seven people were later arrested, it said.


Tawhid and Jihad, a militant group linked to al-Qaida and led by Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said it carried out Sunday's coordinated campaign of violence in Baghdad.


In an Internet statement, the group boasted that it holds the initiative in the Iraqi insurgency and possesses the ``capability to surprise the enemy and hit its strategic installations at the right time and place.''


The statement's source could not be verified, but the scope and intensity of the attacks raised serious questions about the state of security, which has deteriorated since the June 28 transfer of sovereignty to the interim Iraqi government.


In Basra, interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi vowed to pursue insurgents.


``We are adamant that we are going to defeat terrorism,'' Allawi said. ``We intend to confront them and bring them to justice.''


Interior Minister Falah Hassan al-Naqib suggested the attacks could be in response to a government operation against the Adel neighborhood of west Baghdad, an insurgent hotbed. However, the scope of the attacks suggested they had been in preparation for some time.


Secretary of State Colin Powell acknowledged that the U.S.-led coalition faced a ``difficult time'' in Iraq but said the United States had a plan to quash the insurgency and bring those areas under control in time for national elections in January.


The insurgency ``will be brought under control,'' Powell said on NBC's ``Meet The Press.'' ``It's not an impossible task.''


Near Hillah, 60 miles south of Baghdad, three Polish soldiers were killed in an ambush - raising Poland's death toll in Iraq to 13 - and a bomb killed three Iraqi national guardsmen. A district police chief was killed in an attack in Baghdad's Yarmouk neighborhood.


Meanwhile, 10 people were killed and 40 were wounded in fighting in the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, said hospital director Abdel Munim Aftan.


Three American soldiers and two Iraqi civilians were wounded Sunday when a suicide driver blew up his car next to a U.S. Army convoy on the road to Baghdad International Airport, American sources said. The vehicle was one of seven car bombs reported Sunday in Iraq, two of which did not explode, the sources said.


Powell did not elaborate on the plan for addressing the insurgency, but senior U.S. officials in Iraq have spoken of a multi-pronged strategy involving overtures to tribal leaders, economic incentives and the use of force as the best way to prevail against the resistance.


Rockets and mortar shells began raining down before dawn on the Green Zone, headquarters of the Iraqi government and its U.S. allies, and other parts of central Baghdad. As the shelling continued after sunrise, U.S. troops backed by armored vehicles moved into the streets searching for the attackers.


A Bradley fighting vehicle rushing down Haifa Street, a major traffic artery near the Green Zone, to assist a U.S. patrol was disabled by a car bomb about 6:50 a.m., the U.S. military said. Two Bradley crewmen were wounded by the bomb and four were injured by grenades and small-arms fire as they fled the vehicle, the military said.


Jubilant fighters, curiosity seekers and young boys swarmed around the burning vehicle, dancing, cheering and hurling firebombs. Several young men placed a black and yellow banner of Tawhid and Jihad in the barrel of the Bradley's main gun.


Fearing the crowd would loot the vehicle of weapons and ammunition, American soldiers called for air support, and as U.S. Army helicopters flew over the burning Bradley ``they received small-arms fire from the insurgents in vicinity of the vehicle,'' a military statement said.


The helicopters ``fired upon the anti-Iraqi forces and the Bradley preventing the loss of sensitive equipment and weapons,'' the statement said. ``An unknown number of insurgents and Iraq civilians were wounded or killed in the incident.''


Iraq's Health Ministry said 13 people were killed and 61 wounded on Haifa Street, though it was unclear how many were killed by the helicopter strike. Scattered shoes, pools of fresh blood and debris littered the street.


``We were standing near the destroyed vehicle when the helicopter started firing, so we rushed to safety in a nearby building,'' Alaa Hassan, 24, said from his hospital bed. ``I went back to the scene to help the wounded people when the helicopter fired again and I was hit in the chest.''


Twelve more people died and 41 were injured in other violence across the city Sunday, the Health Ministry said.


Elsewhere, gunmen attacked a group of policemen in the northern city of Mosul, killing one and wounding seven, police said.


Also in the north, three security officers were wounded when attackers opened fire as they stood guard near the Dibis oilfields northeast of Kirkuk. Two others were injured in a drive-by shooting west of Kirkuk, said Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin of the Iraqi national guard.


Security officers guarding the oil-rich Kirkuk area have repeatedly been targeted by militants, who have blown up dozens of pipelines in a bid to disrupt reconstruction efforts and undermine the U.S.-backed interim government.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:00 AM   #2
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:19 AM   #3
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So terrorists took out a Bradley, then crowded around it, probably looking for bodies to burn, and arab cameramen were there to take pics of American dead soldiers and were killed when we opened up on the terrorists that took out the Bradley.

This is not news. It's reality of war.

How nice of you to blame US troops instead of the terrorists.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:20 AM   #4
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Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.
Not very bright. Kind of like waving bullseye flags.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:23 AM   #5
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Not very bright. Kind of like waving bullseye flags.

Who said arabs or the whores who f^ck them were bright?
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:25 AM   #6
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Uh, we are supposedly there 'giving' them 'democracy'. The people who were around the vehicle were not the people who blew up the vehicle. To kill them just perpetuates the same mistakes that started this insurgency in Fallujah in April...

and it will further inspire more insurgents. Already the US has lost control of at least three major areas of Iraq and that is just within the past five months fighting people who have been car bombs and guns.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:25 AM   #7
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Who said arabs or the whores who f^ck them were bright?
Good thing that is not directed my way, bigot.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:26 AM   #8
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:31 AM   #9
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At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.
IMO, the fact that anyone neer that tank was left alive was an error in judgement.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:33 AM   #10
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Uh, we are supposedly there 'giving' them 'democracy'. The people who were around the vehicle were not the people who blew up the vehicle. To kill them just perpetuates the same mistakes that started this insurgency in Fallujah in April...

and it will further inspire more insurgents. Already the US has lost control of at least three major areas of Iraq and that is just within the past five months fighting people who have been car bombs and guns.
Reread YOUR OWN post.

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At least 37 people were killed in Baghdad alone. Many of them died when a U.S. helicopter fired on a disabled U.S. Bradley fighting vehicle as Iraqis swarmed around it, cheering, throwing stones and waving the black and yellow sunburst banner of Iraq's most-feared terror organization.
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Oh wait, I see what you mean now. When those people ran around with HUMAN BODY PARTS of soldiers cheering and yelling in the beginning of this mess, we didn't attack back because they weren't the ones that pulled the trigger. DOH

Listen, if you put on the unifiorm of an enemy combatant or wave his flag IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ARMED CONFLICT, you then become said enemy combatant.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:34 AM   #11
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Hey Meme, you ever consider being a reporter. Seems they have a postion open in iraq.
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Old 09-13-2004, 11:35 AM   #12
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Uh, we are supposedly there 'giving' them 'democracy'. The people who were around the vehicle were not the people who blew up the vehicle. To kill them just perpetuates the same mistakes that started this insurgency in Fallujah in April...

and it will further inspire more insurgents. Already the US has lost control of at least three major areas of Iraq and that is just within the past five months fighting people who have been car bombs and guns.
You make it sound like you were there!!

How far will you go to make the tragedy of war fit your agenda?

As was said before, the reporter was probably there for all of the wrong reasons. Just think of what he could have reported on if he had kept his ass away from the fighting?

Tell your people to stand down and the deaths on both sides will decrease!!!!
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Oh wait, I see what you mean now. When those people ran around with HUMAN BODY PARTS of soldiers cheering and yelling in the beginning of this mess, we didn't attack back because they weren't the ones that pulled the trigger. DOH

Listen, if you put on the unifiorm of an enemy combatant or wave his flag IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ARMED CONFLICT, you then become said enemy combatant.
The US is stating one thing happened. Eyewitnesses who were not involved in the shooting of the vehicle are saying another. Perhaps the video tape of the reporter's death will shed some light on the situation. But again, this will do NOTHING to help the US quash the insurgency.
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But again, this will do NOTHING to help the US quash the insurgency.
I wouldn't call 37 dead insurgents "nothing." I call it a "good start."
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The problem here is that this isn't a war against terrorists that we're fighting in Iraq, it's a war of ideology, and if our actions, NO MATTER HOW JUSTIFIED, are pushing more moderate muslims into being radical or anti-american muslims, either in thought or deed, THEN WE ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHING OUR MILITARY OR POLITICAL OBJECTIVES.
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