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Old 08-27-2004, 07:19 PM  
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possible spy in pentagon for Israel

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Old 08-28-2004, 09:45 AM   #16
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Interesting timing of this breaking news. CNN also alluded that someone in the NSC could be involved as well.

I think it does shed some light on that convenient Swift Boat hysteria that came out of nowhere and we've endured the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps raising the terror level again didn't seem like a good idea.
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Old 08-28-2004, 09:54 AM   #17
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Interesting timing of this breaking news. CNN also alluded that someone in the NSC could be involved as well.

I think it does shed some light on that convenient Swift Boat hysteria that came out of nowhere and we've endured the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps raising the terror level again didn't seem like a good idea.
The investigation has been underway for about a year... Given the nature of the spying (being so central to the motivation for Iraq war, lies about the cause of Iraq War, etc.), I'm not sure that the Bush Administration should really be investigating themselves on this one.

The desire to dispose of this issue quickly would be both obvious and natural. Much like their desire to push back the investigation of the Bush Administration's USE of intelligence was pushed back until after the election, conveinently.
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Old 08-28-2004, 10:06 AM   #18
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You're surely not implying that this is somehow ok, are you?!?
Bush could light up a crack pipe in the oval office, take a puff and then cut off a baby's head a suck on the stump for sustenance and these people would still try to find ways to defend him.
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Old 08-28-2004, 10:19 AM   #19
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Bush could light up a crack pipe in the oval office, take a puff and then cut off a baby's head a suck on the stump for sustenance and these people would still try to find ways to defend him.
You seem to be imply he hasn't done that. Where's your proof?



(sorry, I couldn't resist. Before anyone flies off the handle that's meant tongue in cheek)
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Old 08-28-2004, 10:26 AM   #20
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Bush could light up a crack pipe in the oval office, take a puff and then cut off a baby's head a suck on the stump for sustenance and these people would still try to find ways to defend him.
David Cross a comedian that does alot political comedy has a bit very close to what you are talking about .He was talking about the terror alert system and how it always coincides with bad news for the bush administration."well we gotta raise the alert Bush just ate a baby,a jewish baby better take it to red". Its on his new CD titled "its not funny",the whole cd is great.
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Old 08-28-2004, 10:36 AM   #21
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I just saw that interview, I couldn't believe what he said...

His name was Larry Johnson, I think, an ex-intelligence agent...said he's known about the investigation for months, and then he said- unprompted- that the main thrust of the investigation was the forged documents and whether or not they were forged by Isreal to assist the administration in justifying the invasion and how they might have moved through the channels....he was speaking so casually it was if he didn't understand the serious of the issue (though obviously he does)

this story is already breaking and will erase the dim-bulb vets pronto...Pat Buchanon was on immediately afterward and he speculated that the investigation was leaked in order to ruin it, but he was just rambling off the cuff....he was, though, shocked by what Johnson had just said....

Evidently this investigation has not been a guarded secret and is somehow linked to the Valerie Plume leak? I thought I heard Johnson make the connection.

All I've got to say is that the Pentagon, CIA, and SD are being run like it's the fuggin Wild West.

Under Rumsfeld's watch the following has occured...in no particular mind boggling order:

-we went to war based on faulty intelligence and thus built a faulty war plan

-we 'miscalculated' the level of resistance post war.

-we misjudged the amount of money and time needed to rebuild what we destroyed.

-we engaged in humiliating and shocking abuse of prisoners and had photographs (not suitable for framing) to prove it.

-we have our best buddies spying under our nose. They probably felt they could seeing that DUHbya has bent over every time Sharon has asked.

-we overpaid contractors who were overbilling us and then we decide whether or not we will pay for their illegal invoices.

-we hire rogue contractors to run highest level security operations outside international law in a war zone.

I'm sure I'm missing lots more. I have a lunch date to attend. While I'm dining I'm sure other Rumsfeld debacles will pop into my brain thereby runing my appetite.
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Old 08-28-2004, 10:52 AM   #22
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Evidently this investigation has not been a guarded secret and is somehow linked to the Valerie Plume leak? I thought I heard Johnson make the connection.

All I've got to say is that the Pentagon, CIA, and SD are being run like it's the fuggin Wild West.

Under Rumsfeld's watch the following has occured...in no particular mind boggling order:

-we went to war based on faulty intelligence and thus built a faulty war plan

-we 'miscalculated' the level of resistance post war.

-we misjudged the amount of money and time needed to rebuild what we destroyed.

-we engaged in humiliating and shocking abuse of prisoners and had photographs (not suitable for framing) to prove it.

-we have our best buddies spying under our nose. They probably felt they could seeing that DUHbya has bent over every time Sharon has asked.

-we overpaid contractors who were overbilling us and then we decide whether or not we will pay for their illegal invoices.

-we hire rogue contractors to run highest level security operations outside international law in a war zone.

I'm sure I'm missing lots more. I have a lunch date to attend. While I'm dining I'm sure other Rumsfeld debacles will pop into my brain thereby runing my appetite.
We went to war to liberate the people of Iraq not because of the wmds.We had a occuping force in europe for 60 years after WWII, liberating people from tyranny takes time and money.There were no ulterior motives,you would be a fool and a communist to suggest that there were.

The current administration has your best interest in mind go back to sleep or watch more of our fine reality based programing.
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Old 08-28-2004, 11:36 AM   #23
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We went to war to liberate the people of Iraq not because of the wmds.We had a occuping force in europe for 60 years after WWII, liberating people from tyranny takes time and money.There were no ulterior motives,you would be a fool and a communist to suggest that there were.

The current administration has your best interest in mind go back to sleep or watch more of our fine reality based programing.
Nay, the lies must stop. We are in bed with the Israelis and were only caught because of the good and decisive work by Michael Moore who cares mostly about you and little about his own pocket and the evil swiftvets have orchestrated the deal to sell the secrets and an escape plan for the accused.

Oh and look over there, GWB was awol.
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Old 08-28-2004, 12:49 PM   #24
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We went to war to liberate the people of Iraq not because of the wmds.We had a occuping force in europe for 60 years after WWII, liberating people from tyranny takes time and money.There were no ulterior motives,you would be a fool and a communist to suggest that there were.

The current administration has your best interest in mind go back to sleep or watch more of our fine reality based programing.
Who 'liberates' them from US now?
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You're surely not implying that this is somehow ok, are you?!?
No, it's not okay. I'm just pointing out that "friendly" countries spy on each other as well.
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September 15, 2004 --

By ERIC FETTMANN


The growing Memogate furor over the authenticity of documents said to cast doubts on George W. Bush's National Guard record isn't the only controversy dogging Dan Rather and CBS News these days.

The network is coming under fire in some quarters for a "CBS Evening News" broadcast about what it billed as a sensational national-security scandal that may have impacted critical U.S. policy decisions in the Middle East.

Less than a month later, however, the "sensation" has fallen far short of its original explosive billing. But that hype has provided potent ammunition for enemies of both Israel and the Bush administration's Mideast policies ammunition that those forces are gleefully using.

By all accounts, what started off as a story about espionage at the highest levels of the Pentagon has turned into, at worst, a case of the possible misuse of classified documents specifically, a single draft memo on U.S. policy on Iran that a Defense Department analyst may have shown to someone at the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), who may then have passed the information on to Israeli officials.



That's not a light matter, of course. Classified material is marked secret for a reason. But it hardly rises to the level of CBS' original claims, which led the evening news broadcast of Aug. 27:

"We start tonight with breaking news," Rather intoned breathlessly, "a CBS News exclusive, what could be a serious security breach inside the United States Defense Department. Federal agents now believe there is a mole working at the highest levels of the Pentagon, a spy for a major world power who may have been in a position to influence Bush administration policy policy on Iran and Iraq."

Lesley Stahl went on to report: "The FBI believes it has solid evidence that the suspected mole" later identified as Larry Franklin, a mid-level analyst with no policymaking input "supplied Israel with classified material that includes secret White House policy deliberations on Iran."

This, declared Stahl, "put the Israelis . . . inside the decision-making loop, so they could try to influence the outcome." And, she added, there's another concern: "Did Israel also use the analyst to try to influence U.S. policy on the war in Iraq?"

The story, in short, rang all the right bells to gladden a conspiracy theorist's heart: Israel, AIPAC (the leading pro-Israel lobby) and neo-conservative war hawks in particular, Franklin's boss, Assistant Defense Secretary Douglas Feith, long a chief target of the Bush-bashers. And while Stahl never mentioned Jonathan Pollard, the U.S. Navy analyst caught spying for Israel two decades ago, the comparisons seemed unavoidable.

But: CBS said arrests were imminent yet none have materialized. And no one is talking anymore about moles or sinister forces secretly shaping U.S. policy or even about espionage, for that matter. (Both AIPAC and the Israelis deny having done anything illegal or improper.)

A grand jury is hearing evidence, but if any charges are leveled, it's unlikely to be anything more serious than "mishandling classified material."

Still, as Saul Singer wrote in The Jerusalem Post last Friday, "the anti-[Israel] cabal doesn't care if there are any arrests, because they have already succeeded in portraying Jewish power as something sinister, perhaps even treasonous."

Pat Buchanan did precisely that on "Meet the Press" last Sunday, when he demanded that officials "investigate whether there is a nest of Pollardites in the Pentagon who have been transmitting American secrets through AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, over to . . . the Israeli embassy, to be transferred to [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon." (This came right after Buchanan declared that U.S. support of Israel was the direct cause of 9/11 and all other forms of Islamic terrorism.)

In fact, nothing about CBS' original allegations makes sense. For one thing, Israel has learned its lesson from the fallout over the Pollard fiasco. And solidifying the U.S.-Israeli relationship has been the cornerstone of Sharon's policy. It's unthinkable that he would jeopardize it with something like this particularly over information that Washington and Jerusalem already share at the highest levels.

Clearly, much more is at work here, in terms of why the story was leaked now and who provided the information. By all accounts, it wasn't to pressure any of the supposed targets both AIPAC and Franklin have been cooperating with investigators.

Suffice it to say, though, that this has less to do with national security than with partisan politics. As Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a friend of Franklin's, told The New York Sun: "When the FBI has a case against someone . . . they indict him and arrest him and put him away. They don't go to Lesley Stahl."
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