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Old 09-08-2004, 06:15 PM  
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Wow, this is interesting - Possible Right Wing Fox Reporter Given Campaign Duties....

And he is too keep his job as a reporter on Fox.

I can't say who just yet, but it is a prominent host of Fox and he will keep his "day job" reporting his take while working full time as a campaign manager for the GWB/Cheney ticket.

What do you guys think? Moral, immoral, or unimportant?
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:00 PM   #31
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I'm not a journalist.

Is there some journalistic standard that says that a reporter shouldn't cover a campaign if his or her spouse is part of that campaign?
Not if you work for Fox News.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:05 PM   #32
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Carville isnt a reporter.

He's a Democratic advocate. That's his role. He's paid for his very biased policial opinion. Same is true of O'Reilly, Hannity, Colmes, etc.

Carl Cameron on the other hand is a reporter assigned to cover the man his wife is campaigning for. That's an amazing conflict of interest.

That same summer (2000) CNN had a producer that was supposed to cover the Gore campaign, but she was pulled from covering the campaign (neither Bush nor Gore) because of the possible conflict of interest (or the perception of a conflict of interest) because her husband was a lawyer for the Gore team.
I understand what his role is. I still think however that it is his duty to present his case in a truthful manner rather than spouting campaign rhetoric while performing his duties to his other employer. Maybe it is just me but I doubt CNN hired him to outright lie. Then again if he is giving his honest opinion, even if may be biased, I don't see how he is lying.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:08 PM   #33
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You did kind of schniede the trap by referencing a Fox 'reporter.' Carville and Begala should be kicked off Crossfire, because their presence murkies up the campaign finance and equal time issues. There has always been the presumption of partisanship, but so what, they're partisan pundits. Their connection with the campaign raises a presumption of COORDINATION.
Hell, if the networks had to pull Schwartzenegger ACTION FILMS, and national radio hosts such as Howard Stern was stopped from interviewing during the recall election, this one is a no-brainer.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:13 PM   #34
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I understand what his role is. I still think however that it is his duty to present his case in a truthful manner rather than spouting campaign rhetoric while performing his duties to his other employer. Maybe it is just me but I doubt CNN hired him to outright lie. Then again if he is giving his honest opinion, even if may be biased, I don't see how he is lying.
I agree with that. I think its CNN, Fox News and all media outlets duty to make honest efforts at accurate factual reporting.

As I understand it the NYTimes has fact checking process even in its guest op-ed columns. And I understand that the WSJ does not.

It's harder to do in real time on TV, but there should be some process. Maybe something like "stat boy" from PTI at the end of each show. A factual corrections at the end of the show.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:16 PM   #35
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You did kind of schniede the trap by referencing a Fox 'reporter.' Carville and Begala should be kicked off Crossfire, because their presence murkies up the campaign finance and equal time issues. There has always been the presumption of partisanship, but so what, they're partisan pundits. Their connection with the campaign raises a presumption of COORDINATION.
Hell, if the networks had to pull Schwartzenegger ACTION FILMS, and national radio hosts such as Howard Stern was stopped from interviewing during the recall election, this one is a no-brainer.
That's an intersting case you make. BTW, I remember watching an Arrrnold movie during the recall election, so I don't think anyone had to pull them.

But the campaign finance issue is intersting.

As for the "equal time" issue, that's non-existant. Reagan elminated that in the 80's. That's how Fox News came into existance.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:27 PM   #36
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That's an intersting case you make. BTW, I remember watching an Arrrnold movie during the recall election, so I don't think anyone had to pull them.

But the campaign finance issue is intersting.

As for the "equal time" issue, that's non-existant. Reagan elminated that in the 80's. That's how Fox News came into existance.
I think, and this is purely from memory of Baba-Booie's explanation to How-id, but it's not non-existent. It's simply state-by-state now. That's why the NETWORKs couldn't run an Arnold movie, and why NATIONAL radio hosts like Howard couldn't interview him. CA's equal time laws governed.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:44 PM   #37
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Well, as much as I hate Fox's commentary types... They aren't exactly "reporters". Guys like O'Reilly and Hannity are Republican shills. That's what they are paid for.

Same is true of Carville and Begalla.

But guys like Carl Cameron, Tony Snow, Brit Hume, etc who shill for the Republican party while pretending to be a objective journalists is the real problem.
None of those you mentioned even comes close to the partisanship of Dan Rather and Judy Woodruff, and what's her name on the Today show.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:47 PM   #38
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Not if you work for Fox News.
Well, that's a non-answer.

Again, what makes you think that Cameron's wife being on Bush's campaign will influence Carl Cameron's reporting?
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:10 PM   #39
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Well, that's a non-answer.

Again, what makes you think that Cameron's wife being on Bush's campaign will influence Carl Cameron's reporting?
The fact that he has a personal conflict of interest.
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:12 PM   #40
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:13 PM   #41
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Though I knew aboput Carville and Begala signing on with the Kerry campaign, I believed your topic header thinking that Fox just got even. Turns out your header was a LIE, sir. Are you going to admit that you lied?
Sure - I lied. I proved hypocrisy in less than 3 minutes with my post.

I have no trouble admitting I lied. I had an ulterior motive, and I was successul in my endeavor.
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:14 PM   #42
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The fact that he has a personal conflict of interest.
How do you know that he'll be influenced by his wife, to the point of it influencing his reporting?
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:14 PM   #43
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The only lie that matters is that he claimed it was a reporter. That it was Fox or CNN doesn't really matter to me.
Whatever, spinmeister.
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Old 09-08-2004, 08:29 PM   #44
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Sure - I lied. I proved hypocrisy in less than 3 minutes with my post.

I have no trouble admitting I lied. I had an ulterior motive, and I was successul in my endeavor.



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Old 09-08-2004, 08:31 PM   #45
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How do you know that he'll be influenced by his wife, to the point of it influencing his reporting?
Jesus these conversations with you have really gone south since you got bored. You ask the worst questions.

How do I "know"? I don't "know" anything about the future. I don't "know" what a man's personal motivations will be in the future.

But I do "know" that he has a personal conflict of interest. I also "know" that Fox News doesn't use the same standards in avoiding those conflicts of interest as its competitor.

That's been made clear 1 dozen posts ago. Everything between then and now is more wasted bandwidth.

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