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Old 09-09-2004, 10:51 AM  
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NATIONAL GUARD SMOKING GUN?

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NATIONAL GUARD SMOKING GUN?....As you know, 60 Minutes is running a segment tonight that features Ben Barnes explaining how he pulled strings to get George Bush into the National Guard in 1968. But the segment also features something else: new documents from the personal files of Col. Jerry Killian, Bush's squadron commander. According to CBS News, here's a summary of the four new documents they've uncovered:
  • A direct order to Bush to take a physical examination in 1972. Physical exams are an annual requirement for pilots.
  • A 1972 memo that refers to a phone call from Bush in which he and Killian "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November" because "he may not have time." This was presumably in preparation for Bush's departure for Alabama that year, but is nonetheless damning since there's no reason that working on a Senate campaign should have prevented him from showing up for drills one weekend per month.
  • A 1972 order grounding Bush. This order refers not just to Bush's failure to take a physical, but also to "failure to perform to (USAF/TexANG) standards."
  • A 1973 memo titled "CYA" in which Killian talks about being pressured to give Bush a favorable yearly evaluation. He refuses, saying, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job."

This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are true.

In fact, these four memos are pretty close to a smoking gun, since it's now clear that (a) Bush was directly ordered to take a physical in 1972 and refused, and (b) he plainly failed to perform up to National Guard standards, but that (c) he was nonetheless saved from a failing evaluation thanks to high-level pressure.

So why did Bush refuse to take a physical that year? And why did he blow off drills for at least the next five months and possibly for a lot longer than that?

And finally, why did he get an honorable discharge anyway?
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Old 09-09-2004, 10:55 AM   #2
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Old 09-09-2004, 10:57 AM   #3
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How about discussing something relevant.....like the past political records,and the future.

At this point, I don't really care if Bush Bombed the village of babies Kerry cut the ears off of, while High on Cocain....
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Old 09-09-2004, 10:57 AM   #4
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Maybe if you put it in CAPS, People will notice your pathetic little self?

This is one Log Cabin Republican who will be voting for GW.
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Old 09-09-2004, 10:59 AM   #5
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:04 AM   #6
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:06 AM   #7
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Hey Anton........You and jAZ ever dated...?????
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:07 AM   #8
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Once; but he said he was heterosexual.


He couldn't handle me....said he preferred being fisted by Duh-nese...
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:07 AM   #9
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:08 AM   #11
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sKerry is trying to use his Intelligence report book against Bush, when all the stuff was going on during Clinton admin.

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Old 09-09-2004, 11:09 AM   #13
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How about discussing something relevant.....like the past political records,and the future.

At this point, I don't really care if Bush Bombed the village of babies Kerry cut the ears off of, while High on Cocain....
No fuqqing shit.

Will there ever be a time in this campaign where the candidates actually discuss issues, rather than what happened 30+ years ago?

What will either one do to help stimulate job growth? Is it even their duty to do so?

What will they do to combat terrorism? Will those plans make the problem worse/better?

What will they do about the outrageous cost of health care? Is it even their duty to do so?

What will they do to cure colic so I can get some ****ing sleep?!!?

Okay .. it's not their job to do the last one, but it'd be nice.

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Old 09-09-2004, 11:17 AM   #14
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How about discussing something relevant.....like the past political records,and the future.

At this point, I don't really care if Bush Bombed the village of babies Kerry cut the ears off of, while High on Cocain....
I LOVE IT!

Only when Bush's actions are being scrutinized.... only when the documentation shows the Not-So-Swifties are liars... only when the documentation shows Bush was a liar...

... do the Bush supporters come out wanting to talk about the issues.



Not a peep out of Iowanian trashing the Not-So-Swifties over the last month... but the day after documents come out showing the Bush campaign has lied about his service in the guard do RWers start desperately hoping to talk about the issues.


... either the issues or more Swift Boat allegations. No matter.
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Old 09-09-2004, 11:25 AM   #15
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I LOVE IT!

Only when Bush's actions are being scrutinized.... only when the documentation shows the Not-So-Swifties are liars... only when the documentation shows Bush was a liar...

... do the Bush supporters come out wanting to talk about the issues.
Actually, I can't stand Bush.

I'm just sick and ****ing tired of the trash talking and would enjoy hearing them discuss issues, not who did what when and why.

Not sure why I'm surprised ... welcome to politics in modern America.

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