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Old 09-10-2004, 12:09 AM  
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DNC/Kerry Campaign Had CBS Documents 6 Weeks Ago (Get Ready For the Blowback)

Can you spell D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E?


More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.

According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."

A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.

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Old 09-10-2004, 12:10 AM   #2
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:16 AM   #3
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:16 AM   #4
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Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign.
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:17 AM   #5
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Oh my God

I didnt expect this to come out so blatantly, I figured it would be inferred at worst.

I... I simply dont know where the hell the ceiling is on this story. It could end up being unfair to Kerry personally, but this could be very, very, very bad.
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:18 AM   #6
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On a serious note RL...you really need your own blog.

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Old 09-10-2004, 12:42 AM   #7
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On a serious note RL...you really need your own blog.


I was going to start one...but I'm not going to have any time to do it properly in a few weeks when my new project gets up and going...if you can't devote your life to it there's not much reason to do it...
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:49 AM   #8
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I was going to start one...but I'm not going to have any time to do it properly in a few weeks when my new project gets up and going...if you can't devote your life to it there's not much reason to do it...


You're still going to post here so I can steal your stuff, though--right?

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Old 09-10-2004, 12:54 AM   #9
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:02 AM   #10
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You're still going to post here so I can steal your stuff, though--right?


Do you have a blog? I'd like to visit it...
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:06 AM   #11
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Sure--I thought you knew...

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And here's the traditional stuff...

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Thanks. I really thought you knew.

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Old 09-10-2004, 07:38 AM   #15
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The only thing that conerns me here is that even if these documents are debunked, there will be more.

If you think about it, if CBS is willing to accept sources and run a story with little to no verification, and these really are forgeries, then it's only a matter of time until the next, better forgery. The Bush opponents, having given up on their guy's ability to win on his own, are now reduced to forging documents in an effort to defeat him and I highly doubt they will let this minor setback discourage them.

Since all the flaws in this one have been carefully pointed out, someone could just make a better one, where the superscripts aren't included, where the text is oriented better on the page, where the signature matches the person signing it, etc. Since so many are critiquing the work of whoever made this one, if they really want to get a forged document out there it will just take a bit of refining.

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