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Old 09-10-2004, 12:07 PM  
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DoD hid up to 100 prisoners from Red Cross... CIA hiding documents from Congress.

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U.S. Hid Dozens of Iraqi Prisoners, Investigators Say

Thu Sep 9, 5:41 PM ET

By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States may have kept up to 100 "ghost detainees" in Iraq (news - web sites) off the books and concealed from Red Cross observers, a far higher number than previously reported, an Army general told Congress on Thursday.



Estimates were rough because the CIA (news - web sites) has withheld documents on concealed detainees, Army generals who investigated U.S. abuses of Iraqi prisoners told lawmakers. Republican and Democratic senators blasted the CIA, and called for it to turn over the material.


At a Senate committee hearing, Gen. Paul Kern, commander of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, said he believed the number of ghost detainees held in violation of Geneva Convention protections was "in the dozens to perhaps up to 100," far surpassing the eight people identified in an Army report.


Maj. Gen. George Fay, deputy commander at the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, said he expected it may be two dozen or more. "We were not able to get documentation from the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) to answer those types of questions. So we really don't know the volume," he said.


The Geneva Conventions require countries to disclose information on prisoners to the International Committee of the Red Cross, which monitors their treatment.


The Senate and House of Representatives Armed Services Committees held hearings on an Army probe of the role of military intelligence in abuses at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, as well as broader findings on U.S. mistreatment of prisoners by an independent panel headed by former Defense Secretary James Schlesinger.


The reports depicted more widespread abuses than the acts of a handful of soldiers accused when the images of horrific sexual and physical humiliation and torture at the Abu Ghraib prison first came to light last spring.


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While the panel led by Schlesinger blamed top Pentagon (news - web sites) civilian and military leaders for contributing to a climate that led to the sadistic treatment of detainees, Schlesinger said U.S. forces in Iraq had behaved far better overall than in previous wars, including World War II, Korea and Vietnam.


He said the 66 cases of confirmed abuse, although higher than the Bush administration first disclosed, "is a small number -- comparing quite well ... with previous wars."


Senators called the CIA's failure so far to turn over information sought by Army investigators unacceptable.


"The situation with the CIA and ghost soldiers is beginning to look like a bad movie," said Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), an Arizona Republican.


"I think that this is something that needs to be asked ... of the incoming director of the CIA," McCain said, referring to Rep. Porter Goss (news, bio, voting record), a Florida Republican tapped by President Bush (news - web sites) to run the CIA.


The Senate Intelligence Committee scheduled a confirmation hearing for Goss on Sept. 14.


Warner said the Intelligence Committee also was pressing the CIA for information, and said the Armed Services Committee would more closely examine the ghost detainees issue.


CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the agency's inspector general was conducting "a comprehensive review of the agency's involvement in detention and interrogation activities," and the agency was "determined to examine thoroughly any allegations of abuse."


The findings of the Army investigation, headed by Fay and Lt. Gen. Anthony Jones and released in August, listed 44 instances of prisoner abuse, 13 directly involving interrogations.


It said 27 military intelligence personnel -- 23 soldiers and four contractors -- directly took part in abuse or induced others to do so, while another eight -- six soldiers and two contractors -- failed to report abuse they had witnessed. All have been recommended for possible criminal charges.

Lawmakers said those higher up the chain of command also must be held accountable for failing in key duties.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), a South Carolina Republican, worried that the "only people that are court-martialed here are privates and sergeants ... Dereliction of duty will be redefined one way or the other after this investigation." (Additional reporting by Will Dunham, Jim Wolf and Tabassum Zakaria)
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:09 PM   #2
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:11 PM   #3
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:16 PM   #4
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:29 PM   #5
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jaz, are you as concerned for the rights of American prisoners in American prisons as you are about foreign prisoners in military prisons?

And for someome who claims they are pro military, you sure don't waste anytime posting up negative articles about them.
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:40 PM   #6
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jaz, are you as concerned for the rights of American prisoners in American prisons as you are about foreign prisoners in military prisons?

And for someome who claims they are pro military, you sure don't waste anytime posting up negative articles about them.
He can't be pro military, he is a skerryrat, not to be confused with democrats.
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Old 09-10-2004, 12:42 PM   #7
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He can't be pro military, he is a skerryrat, not to be confused with democrats.
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:48 PM   #9
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Jaz, are you sure those documents are not forged?
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:49 PM   #10
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:52 PM   #11
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:53 PM   #12
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Maybe the hidden prisoners are actually Bin Laden and others that Jaz thinks Bush is holding to unveil right before the election.
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Maybe the hidden prisoners are actually Bin Laden and others that Jaz thinks Bush is holding to unveil right before the election.
Ah yes, the old October Surprise. Bin Laden Bin Hidden, eh?

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