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Old 09-12-2004, 12:46 AM  
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Hinderaker: Suicide Bombers and CBS News

Wow, I hope Rather gets a chance to read this.. I'll bet he'll be pissed!


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Before September 11, important aspects of our security arrangements were based on the assumption that people, even terrorists, want to live. For example, airlines followed the rule that if a passenger's bags were checked but the person failed to appear for the flight, his bags would be removed from the airplane. The idea was that a bomb could have been planted in the luggage. But as long as the passenger was on the airplane, it was assumed that his bags were safe, since no one -- it was thought -- would blow up an airplane with himself on it. After September 11, security arrangements were changed to take into account the new reality (or newly recognized reality) of the suicide bomber.

When he defended CBS's publication of forged documents, Dan Rather spoke of the "checks and balances" that ensure the reliability of news coming from CBS, as opposed to news and commentary from the blogosphere. What are those checks and balances? Ultimately, the main check on the danger that a powerful media giant like CBS might abuse its position of trust by deliberately propagating falsehoods is the assumption that the network values its reputation for accuracy and trustworthiness. In the past, most people have assumed that while broadcast networks, wire services like the Associated Press, and newspapers will occasionally make mistakes, and will certainly spin the news consistent with their political biases, concern for their reputation in the marketplace, and even more among their peers, would prevent them from spreading outright falsehoods.

In the wake of the CBS scandal, that assumption must be reevaluated.

I don't know how the forged document scandal will ultimately play out. I don't know whether CBS will be forced to acknowledge that the documents are fakes, or whether Dan Rather will resign in disgrace. But I do know this: everyone who cares already knows that the "Killian memos" are low-quality forgeries.

Very few Americans are news junkies. Most people will probably never know about the CBS scandal, or will never have enough information to form a judgment about it. For that matter, most don't care. But within the news business, and inside the relatively small slice of the American population where sophisticated consumers of the news dwell, everyone knows, already, that Dan Rather and CBS News tried to influence the November election by telling lies and publishing forged documents. CBS has been disgraced among its peers.

The fact that CBS was willing to barter away what remained of its reputation in exchange for an opportunity to help the John Kerry campaign requires us to re-examine our assumptions about the mainstream media, just as the emergence of the suicide bomber required us to re-examine certain assumptions about security. We never thought that a vast, powerful broadcast network would destroy its own reputation for political gain. Now we know that it can happen.

And it isn't just CBS News. The Associated Press has, for most of its history, been regarded as a neutral, factual reporting service whose dispatches--reporting, not commentary--could be trusted, and were trusted, by thousands of newspapers. That, too, has changed. We have chronicled the astonishing story of the West Allis, Wisconsin Bush rally, where President Bush announced that he had just received word of President Clinton's hospitalization. President Bush said that his thoughts and prayers were with the Clinton family, and the audience of Republicans cheered enthusiastically.

But that isn't what the Associated Press reported. AP reporter Scott Lindlaw, in an article carrying the by-line of Tom Hays, fabricated a lie. The AP reported that Bush's "audience of thousands booed. Bush did nothing to stop them." That lie was disseminated to thousands of newspapers and television stations, and while a revised version of the story was later issued, the AP has never apologized, explained what happened, or disciplined either Lindlaw or Hays. What is remarkable, under pre-2004 assumptions, is that the lie was so easily uncovered and proved. Thousands of people were present at the rally, including many reporters. Audiotapes and videotapes of the rally were easily available. They showed, beyond a doubt, that the AP's story was a lie. No one booed. Yet Lindlaw, Hays and the AP retailed the lie because they thought it would help John Kerry. Scott Lindlaw has been quoted as saying, "My mission is to see that Bush is not re-elected." He and his employer gladly sacrificed their reputation for accuracy to achieve that goal.

So we have entered a new era. We now know that our richest and most powerful news organizations are willing to blow themselves up--to destroy their own credibility, once considered a news organization's most precious possession--to achieve a political goal. The landscape will never look quite the same again. Those of us who still value truth must look at the mainstream media in a new, more skeptical and critical way, taking nothing for granted. Because, like suicide bombers, the mainstream news organs will go farther to achieve their political goals than we ever imagined.
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Old 09-12-2004, 04:21 AM   #2
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We live in a very frightening time, where the ghost of Goebels is striding across the land and is receiving cheers and greetings from the Democratic Party....
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:09 AM   #3
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We live in a very frightening time, where the ghost of Goebels is striding across the land and is receiving cheers and greetings from the Democratic Party....


You're a dumb**** along with anyone else who compares US politics to Hitler.
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:43 AM   #4
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You're a dumb**** along with anyone else who compares US politics to Hitler.
Can you produce a link to such passion/outrage that you showed in any of the hundreds, no thousands of instances the leftist kooks have made the same accusations about GWB or the Right lately?

If you can't.......you are the dumb*****.
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:45 AM   #5
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You're a dumb**** along with anyone else who compares US politics to Hitler.
Please don't bother commenting on this thread given your occupation...It would be like discussing cancer treatments with someone who sells carcinogens for a living....
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Old 09-12-2004, 06:25 AM   #6
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We live in a very frightening time, where the ghost of Goebels is striding across the land and is receiving cheers and greetings from the Democratic Party....
Why do you have to ruin such a great article by immediately following up with a statement like this?
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Old 09-12-2004, 06:29 AM   #7
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Good read.

So far we've seen both CBS and the AP attempt to publish something blatantly false in an attempt to influence the election. Wonder who'll be next?
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Old 09-12-2004, 07:17 AM   #8
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Why do you have to ruin such a great article by immediately following up with a statement like this?

If 90% of the mass media striving to influence an election through sheer propaganda and faked documents doesn't disturb you, what does?...We're not talking about a "lean" one way or the other, we're talking about a concerted effort to grab power through any means possible...We're talking about Hollywood-crafted propaganda films, 5 New York Times bestsellers released in an election year blizzard, a major media outlet using what they must have known were forged documents in a blatant campaign move for one candidate, a bastion of print media just conjuring up an outright lie in an attempt to smear the politcal party they hate...Thanks to the internet and a few minor segments of the broadcast spectrum, at least these power-hungry bastards can no longer operate in a vacuum...

Do you realize how dangerous it is when you can no longer trust any of the media in a country, and especially when 90% of that media is leaning in the same direction?

They wield an enormous power, and not a single one of them was ever elected to that position of power....

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Old 09-12-2004, 07:21 AM   #9
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If 90% of the mass media striving to influence an election through sheer propaganda and faked documents doesn't disturb you, what does?...We're not talking about a "lean" one way or the other, we're talking about a concerted effort to grab power through any means possible...We're talking about Hollywood-crafted propaganda films, 5 New York Times bestsellers released in an election year blizzard, a major media outlet using what they must have known were forged documents in a blatant campaign move for one candidate...Thanks to the internet and a few minor segments of the broadcast spectrum, at least these power-hungry bastards can no longer operate in a vacuum...
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Old 09-12-2004, 08:07 AM   #10
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You're a dumb**** along with anyone else who compares US politics to Hitler.

I wouldn't compare US politics to Hitler, but I will say this. Hitler was a master at using propaganda through the media to gain and hold power.

It scares me to see how much the News media is trying to influence the elections through skewed slanted reporting and outright lies. It does make me think of Hitler's rise to power.
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I wouldn't compare US politics to Hitler, but I will say this. Hitler was a master at using propaganda through the media to gain and hold power.

It scares me to see how much the News media is trying to influence the elections through skewed slanted reporting and outright lies. It does make me think of Hitler's rise to power.

I like that, are you trying to imply that the major press is similar to NAzi Germany??? I really like that... It has a bit o' truth to it...
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:11 AM   #12
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Great article. What I want to know is where is the oversight in these media firms? Why are the owners letting this happen? Make no mistake, it is theft: journalists using and destroying the reputational capital of the firm to further a political agenda.
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:13 AM   #13
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Good read.

So far we've seen both CBS and the AP attempt to publish something blatantly false in an attempt to influence the election. Wonder who'll be next?
Fox News gets a pass because we know they never had any neutrality in the first place.
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:17 AM   #14
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Fox News gets a pass because we know they never had any neutrality in the first place.
Yeah, those forged documents Fox created about John Kerry being in Cambodia really hurt Kerry.
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