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Old 09-16-2004, 06:14 PM  
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Has anybody else noticed there has been no Terror Alert during the mythical Bush bounce?! Well, you can expect one anyday now!


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Two New Polls Show Deadlocked White House Race

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By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two national polls on Thursday showed the race between President Bush (news - web sites) and Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) deadlocked as Bush's convention bounce faded, although the president has made headway in key swing states.

In polls certain to buoy the spirits of anxious Democrats, the Pew Research Center and Harris Interactive found equal levels of support for the White House contenders as Kerry rebounded from the withering attacks he faced at the Republican convention that ended on Sept. 2.

The new surveys followed two other polls in recent days, by Investor's Business Daily and a Democratic group, Democracy Corps, that found the race essentially even again, just as it was for months before the two parties held their nominating conventions.

"Some of the negative attacks against Kerry are wearing off and he has stayed in the game because people are discontent with Bush on Iraq (news - web sites) and the economy," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for People and the Press.

"Unfortunately for Kerry, he's been unable to tap into that unhappiness, especially on Iraq," Kohut said, noting Bush still beats Kerry 52-40 percent on who was favored to lead the war in Iraq. "It's a mixed picture for Kerry, but that's better than what he had a few days ago."

Several other recent polls have shown Bush, who bounced to a double-digit lead in two polls after the Republican convention, holding a four- to seven-point lead over Kerry.

A flurry of new state polls, meanwhile, showed Bush moving ahead in key states like Florida and Nevada and challenging Kerry in Democratic strongholds like New Jersey.


VOTERS UNSETTLED

"We went through a period for months where there was no air between these candidates in the polls ... and now it's the opposite," Kohut said. "I think it shows the voters are unsettled, their thoughts about Kerry are unsettled and they are going back and forth."

A new National Annenberg Election Survey earlier this week found Bush gaining ground as a leader and in the war on terror, but his approval ratings among undecided and "persuadable" voters dropped below levels from before the convention.

Kerry has sharpened his message and gone on the offensive against Bush this week on Iraq and the economy, challenging the president's credibility and his leadership on both issues.

The new focus came as he faced a chorus of complaints from fellow Democrats about his failure to develop a coherent message and respond quickly to attacks on his record in Vietnam.

"I feel very comfortable with where we are," Democratic Party boss Terry McAuliffe said. "As it relates to the battleground states, I think we're in a very good position."

Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said the campaign always expected a close race and nothing has changed.

"We've seen polls over the past week that show the president ahead, some well ahead and some slightly ahead, or tied," he said. "What we are planning for is a close election, potentially as close as 2000."

The Pew survey sampled voters in two waves. The first poll of likely voters, taken Sept. 8-10, found Bush ahead by 16 percentage points. The second poll on Sept. 11-14, which had a 3.5 percentage point margin of error, found Bush with a statistically insignificant one-point lead. Among registered voters, it was deadlocked.

The Harris poll, which was conducted Sept. 9-13 and had a 3 point margin of error, found Kerry with a one-point lead. A Harris poll in June gave Bush a 10 percentage point lead.
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Old 09-17-2004, 09:05 AM   #16
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We have a BIIIIG disagreement there KCW. I call our troups and thousands of Iraqis (not all mind you) as "INNOCENT" victims of Bush's personal and manufactured war. A lot of those troups signed as a result of 9/11 because they thought they would fight against the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Now they are dying in Iraq for some companies that are in bed with Bush and Cheney.
I met two of the troops and their father last night. Alex and Aaron Murphy (twins) just got back from a 5 month stint direct in Baghdad. They are shipping back out tomorrow for another 3 months. Then both young men are re-enlisting. The dad, Lee, was so proud of them he was buying drinks for everyone saying how lucky he was. While you and many others paint a picture of duped soldiers forced into duty they don't want - I haven't seen it yet.


On the other hand, those killed in the aspirin factory blast didn't sign up with our troops - but it was a nice distraction from an impeachment, wasn't it?
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Old 09-17-2004, 10:14 AM   #17
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I met two of the troops and their father last night. Alex and Aaron Murphy (twins) just got back from a 5 month stint direct in Baghdad. They are shipping back out tomorrow for another 3 months. Then both young men are re-enlisting. The dad, Lee, was so proud of them he was buying drinks for everyone saying how lucky he was. While you and many others paint a picture of duped soldiers forced into duty they don't want - I haven't seen it yet.


On the other hand, those killed in the aspirin factory blast didn't sign up with our troops - but it was a nice distraction from an impeachment, wasn't it?
I have no doubt that some folks consider it patriotism to unquestioningly obey orders and follow what "their country" wants them to do. Some even do not distinguish between country's wishes and president's wishes. I don't agree with the notion of prez=country. I do however respect them too. In my post I said not "all" but "a lot of" folks signed up in reaction to 9/11. I have heard, on at least 5 different occasions troups calling radio talk shows complaining that they signed up to fight against Osama and terrorism only to be sent to Iraq where they don't believe they are fighting a war they signed up for. Though, I have this strange feeling that soon we will probably see Osama "captured" "IN IRAQ" and "under the protection of the insurgents!" Depending on the polls in the next few weeks.
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Old 09-17-2004, 10:44 AM   #18
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I have no doubt that some folks consider it patriotism to unquestioningly obey orders and follow what "their country" wants them to do. Some even do not distinguish between country's wishes and president's wishes. I don't agree with the notion of prez=country. I do however respect them too. In my post I said not "all" but "a lot of" folks signed up in reaction to 9/11. I have heard, on at least 5 different occasions troups calling radio talk shows complaining that they signed up to fight against Osama and terrorism only to be sent to Iraq where they don't believe they are fighting a war they signed up for. Though, I have this strange feeling that soon we will probably see Osama "captured" "IN IRAQ" and "under the protection of the insurgents!" Depending on the polls in the next few weeks.
I never stated they were unquestioningly obeying orders. Where did you get that idea?

As far as the second part of your post, again I address the fact that several dozen arrests were made all over the world (including in New York State) during the last terror alert - something you conspiracy theorists tend to overlook.
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Old 09-17-2004, 10:48 AM   #19
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I never stated they were unquestioningly obeying orders. Where did you get that idea?
He needs that to be true in order to maintain his rhetoric.
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Old 09-17-2004, 10:52 AM   #21
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I have no doubt that some folks consider it patriotism to unquestioningly obey orders and follow what "their country" wants them to do. Some even do not distinguish between country's wishes and president's wishes. I don't agree with the notion of prez=country. I do however respect them too. In my post I said not "all" but "a lot of" folks signed up in reaction to 9/11. I have heard, on at least 5 different occasions troups calling radio talk shows complaining that they signed up to fight against Osama and terrorism only to be sent to Iraq where they don't believe they are fighting a war they signed up for. Though, I have this strange feeling that soon we will probably see Osama "captured" "IN IRAQ" and "under the protection of the insurgents!" Depending on the polls in the next few weeks.
What you fail to admit to yourself is that these troops that "unquestioningly obey orders" are doing so because they agree with them.

They know they are doing the right thing in Iraq and prove it by volunteering to go back, even with the understanding they are going into harms way.

I'll trust the take of the soldiers....they see what's going on there more then our media is letting us see.
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Old 09-17-2004, 10:57 AM   #23
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....we will probably see Osama "captured" "IN IRAQ" and "under the protection of the insurgents!" Depending on the polls in the next few weeks.
And won't that be a GREAT day?



Sad thing is I suspect for you, it won't be a great day--just another day to curse GW.
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What you fail to admit to yourself is that these troops that "unquestioningly obey orders" are doing so because they agree with them.

They know they are doing the right thing in Iraq and prove it by volunteering to go back, even with the understanding they are going into harms way.

I'll trust the take of the soldiers....they see what's going on there more then our media is letting us see.
Precisely what Aaron and Alex said. They are IN Baghdad, they see what is going on daily. They both said they KNOW they are doing the right thing by watching the results of their efforts. They should not be belittled by someone sitting comfortably over here and alluding to the idea that they are mindless drones.
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And won't that be a GREAT day?



Sad thing is I suspect for you, it won't be a great day--just another day to curse GW.
It should be anyday now. I hear rumors that he's locked up in the bathroom off of Rumsfield's office and Rummy is getting tired of having to walk down the hall to use the public facilties.
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Precisely what Aaron and Alex said. They are IN Baghdad, they see what is going on daily. They both said they KNOW they are doing the right thing by watching the results of their efforts. They should not be belittled by someone sitting comfortably over here and alluding to the idea that they are mindless drones.
It's comforting to know guys like that still exist in America. I can see why their dad was so proud.

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I never stated they were unquestioningly obeying orders. Where did you get that idea?

As far as the second part of your post, again I address the fact that several dozen arrests were made all over the world (including in New York State) during the last terror alert - something you conspiracy theorists tend to overlook.
And I never questioned that they believe they are doing the right thing. As for arrests, I would think anytime there is a move in that direction, there ARE some suspects under surveilance ready to be promptly picked up. That gives the "terror alert" some aparent substance.
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And I never questioned that they believe they are doing the right thing. As for arrests, I would think anytime there is a move in that direction, there ARE some suspects under surveilance ready to be promptly picked up. That gives the "terror alert" some aparent substance.
But if Kerry was president his arrests would be straight up ? Nothing done for the publicity?
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And won't that be a GREAT day?

Sad thing is I suspect for you, it won't be a great day--just another day to curse GW.
If my theory proves true (r.e. "capture of Osama IN IRAQ") then I firmly believe that my "GREAT day" cane some 2 and a half years ago at Tora Bora.
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But if Kerry was president his arrests would be straight up ? Nothing done for the publicity?
Then I would have no problem bitching about him the same way. Trust me.
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