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Old 09-16-2004, 06:14 PM  
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Expect another "TERROR ALERT!"

Has anybody else noticed there has been no Terror Alert during the mythical Bush bounce?! Well, you can expect one anyday now!


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Two New Polls Show Deadlocked White House Race

1 hour, 38 minutes ago

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two national polls on Thursday showed the race between President Bush (news - web sites) and Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) deadlocked as Bush's convention bounce faded, although the president has made headway in key swing states.

In polls certain to buoy the spirits of anxious Democrats, the Pew Research Center and Harris Interactive found equal levels of support for the White House contenders as Kerry rebounded from the withering attacks he faced at the Republican convention that ended on Sept. 2.

The new surveys followed two other polls in recent days, by Investor's Business Daily and a Democratic group, Democracy Corps, that found the race essentially even again, just as it was for months before the two parties held their nominating conventions.

"Some of the negative attacks against Kerry are wearing off and he has stayed in the game because people are discontent with Bush on Iraq (news - web sites) and the economy," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for People and the Press.

"Unfortunately for Kerry, he's been unable to tap into that unhappiness, especially on Iraq," Kohut said, noting Bush still beats Kerry 52-40 percent on who was favored to lead the war in Iraq. "It's a mixed picture for Kerry, but that's better than what he had a few days ago."

Several other recent polls have shown Bush, who bounced to a double-digit lead in two polls after the Republican convention, holding a four- to seven-point lead over Kerry.

A flurry of new state polls, meanwhile, showed Bush moving ahead in key states like Florida and Nevada and challenging Kerry in Democratic strongholds like New Jersey.


VOTERS UNSETTLED

"We went through a period for months where there was no air between these candidates in the polls ... and now it's the opposite," Kohut said. "I think it shows the voters are unsettled, their thoughts about Kerry are unsettled and they are going back and forth."

A new National Annenberg Election Survey earlier this week found Bush gaining ground as a leader and in the war on terror, but his approval ratings among undecided and "persuadable" voters dropped below levels from before the convention.

Kerry has sharpened his message and gone on the offensive against Bush this week on Iraq and the economy, challenging the president's credibility and his leadership on both issues.

The new focus came as he faced a chorus of complaints from fellow Democrats about his failure to develop a coherent message and respond quickly to attacks on his record in Vietnam.

"I feel very comfortable with where we are," Democratic Party boss Terry McAuliffe said. "As it relates to the battleground states, I think we're in a very good position."

Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said the campaign always expected a close race and nothing has changed.

"We've seen polls over the past week that show the president ahead, some well ahead and some slightly ahead, or tied," he said. "What we are planning for is a close election, potentially as close as 2000."

The Pew survey sampled voters in two waves. The first poll of likely voters, taken Sept. 8-10, found Bush ahead by 16 percentage points. The second poll on Sept. 11-14, which had a 3.5 percentage point margin of error, found Bush with a statistically insignificant one-point lead. Among registered voters, it was deadlocked.

The Harris poll, which was conducted Sept. 9-13 and had a 3 point margin of error, found Kerry with a one-point lead. A Harris poll in June gave Bush a 10 percentage point lead.
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:14 PM   #31
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Then I would have no problem bitching about him the same way. Trust me.
Im gonna be a prick here and say do you have strong proof that the arrests made during terror alerts are staged?
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:27 PM   #32
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Im gonna be a prick here and say do you have strong proof that the arrests made during terror alerts are staged?
Didn't say "staged," Kraut. It's just that in ongoing investigations there are always "usual suspects." Small fish who, for a while, serve a better purpose being watched than arrested. And they can be picked up at any time.
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:31 PM   #33
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What a BRILLIANT epiphany Franie.......

I mean....approaching the election, when Terrorists have committed acts of terrorism in other countries to try to swing an election.............

There wouldn't probably be any reason at all to expect, that Homeland Security might also Suspect, the a-holes would wish to do something here..........


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Old 09-17-2004, 12:41 PM   #34
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Didn't say "staged," Kraut. It's just that in ongoing investigations there are always "usual suspects." Small fish who, for a while, serve a better purpose being watched than arrested. And they can be picked up at any time.
In order to catch the 'big fish', doesn't an intelligence agency naturally have to watch the 'little fish'? Play them? Feed them some worms(disinformation)?

You have simplified the game of international islamofacist espionage down to a game of CLUE.

I never knew it was all so simple.
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:42 PM   #35
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Didn't say "staged," Kraut. It's just that in ongoing investigations there are always "usual suspects." Small fish who, for a while, serve a better purpose being watched than arrested. And they can be picked up at any time.
But it is those small fish who run truck bombs into embassies, US Naval ships, or US buildings.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:07 PM   #36
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And I never questioned that they believe they are doing the right thing. As for arrests, I would think anytime there is a move in that direction, there ARE some suspects under surveilance ready to be promptly picked up. That gives the "terror alert" some aparent substance.
Hardly a basis in fact. Which most conspiracy theories severely lack.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:09 PM   #37
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Didn't say "staged," Kraut. It's just that in ongoing investigations there are always "usual suspects." Small fish who, for a while, serve a better purpose being watched than arrested. And they can be picked up at any time.
Small fish with detailed plans of buildings on Wall Street and attempting to purchase bazooka style equipment?

You are stretching reality with that theory.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:12 PM   #38
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Small fish with detailed plans of buildings on Wall Street and attempting to purchase bazooka style equipment?

You are stretching reality with that theory.
Besides, everyone knows Islamofacists don't commit terror acts. Crankie told me so. It's just bad fuel. Just like those two Russian airliners that crashed at the same time totally by coincidence. Hell the 4 that crashed on 9/11 probably all got bad fuel too. There is a perfectly reasonable explaination for all this that still makes Bush teh debbil, you know.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:38 PM   #39
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Conspiracy theorists are funny.


Nevermind that multiple worldwide arrests were made during the last alert - facts and details are the devil's advocate when it comes to wacko premises.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:52 PM   #40
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I have no doubt that some folks consider it patriotism to unquestioningly obey orders and follow what "their country" wants them to do. Some even do not distinguish between country's wishes and president's wishes. I don't agree with the notion of prez=country. I do however respect them too. In my post I said not "all" but "a lot of" folks signed up in reaction to 9/11. I have heard, on at least 5 different occasions troups calling radio talk shows complaining that they signed up to fight against Osama and terrorism only to be sent to Iraq where they don't believe they are fighting a war they signed up for. Though, I have this strange feeling that soon we will probably see Osama "captured" "IN IRAQ" and "under the protection of the insurgents!" Depending on the polls in the next few weeks.
That would be good politics if it were true.

Here's one for you. How bout, Osama is and has been fertilizing daisys ever since Torah Borah. It was classified so as not to create a martyr spawning 100's of more fanatical Muslim lunatics to follow in his footsteps. Bush does not care about the loss of political capital due to not finding him becuase this is the right thing to do for the security of the country. This also allows the CIA to continue to clandestinely surveil Al Qaeda operatives that have been discovered. This last move would allow the CIA to flush out any that they contact. If they know Osama is dead, they may go into hiding or move on to plan B.


Come on now Frankie, were at war buddy. Its life and death man. Just wait until Bush gets reelected in a landslide with a mandate to more vigorously prosecute the war on radical Muslims.
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The History Channel just did a special on OBL and AQ. Intelligence reports suggest OBL wasn't at Tora Bora... he just escaped into Pakistan before we pounded the area.

If he's still alive, he's in the mountain ranges along the Afghan/Pakistani border. It's a HUGE, mountainous area and he's surrounded by uber-loyal followers. Not surprising we haven't caught him.... yet.

The show was very good - check the website for future broadcasts. In goes into great detail of how he came to be; what we did & did not do to stop him, dating back even to his childhood.

We need to catch him, try him, and stick him in a dank cell with no windows and poor florescent lighting until he croaks. Every few months, plaster his picture, humiliated, sporting an orange jump suit and shackles, on world-wide television. Killing him only makes him a martyr.
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The History Channel just did a special on OBL and AQ. Intelligence reports suggest OBL wasn't at Tora Bora... he just escaped into Pakistan before we pounded the area.

If he's still alive, he's in the mountain ranges along the Afghan/Pakistani border. It's a HUGE, mountainous area and he's surrounded by uber-loyal followers. Not surprising we haven't caught him.... yet.

The show was very good - check the website for future broadcasts. In goes into great detail of how he came to be; what we did & did not do to stop him, dating back even to his childhood.

We need to catch him, try him, and stick him in a dank cell with no windows and poor florescent lighting until he croaks. Every few months, plaster his picture, humiliated, sporting an orange jump suit and shackles, on world-wide television. Killing him only makes him a martyr.
Now there is a good one. We put him in a cell like the one in the movie "Silence of the Lambs". Put a web cam on him 24/7.

Then get that rock and Roll part II music playing like when we score a touchdown, run it 24/7 in his cage. Have the families of 9/11 walk arround the top of the cage and urinate on top of him.

Ahh yes, that is a fitting end to Osama jo mama.
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Old 09-17-2004, 03:54 PM   #44
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Besides, everyone knows Islamofacists don't commit terror acts. Crankie told me so. It's just bad fuel. Just like those two Russian airliners that crashed at the same time totally by coincidence. Hell the 4 that crashed on 9/11 probably all got bad fuel too. There is a perfectly reasonable explaination for all this that still makes Bush teh debbil, you know.
Chochise,.. that's pure BUllSH!t and you know it. You either never read my posts about that or you are, as common with Bush and his followers, engaging in deliberate misrepresentation. I vote for the latter. I NEVER said what you are implying here. I challenge you to find any definitive post on my part that says what you insideously misquoting me on. And when you don't, I expect you to be man enough to retract. All I said there was that there were no proof (at the time of my posting) that it was done by terrorists. I pointed out the awful history of those planes and the notorious corruption of Russian officials (of which the bad fuel could be a byproduct) does present another couple of scenarios to consider.
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Here's one for you. How bout, Osama is and has been fertilizing daisys ever since Torah Borah. It was classified so as not to create a martyr spawning 100's of more fanatical Muslim lunatics to follow in his footsteps. Bush does not care about the loss of political capital due to not finding him becuase this is the right thing to do for the security of the country. This also allows the CIA to continue to clandestinely surveil Al Qaeda operatives that have been discovered. This last move would allow the CIA to flush out any that they contact. If they know Osama is dead, they may go into hiding or move on to plan B.
I actually saw on bartcop the musing that;
1. The Soviets had deposited suitcase nukes in major US cities in the 60s.
2. Those nukes were still in their hiding places.
3. Al Qeada knows where they are and have dispatched sleepers to cover them.
4. The sleepers are instructed to detonate them xx hours after confirmation of Osama's death.
5. The govt is letting Osama continue to live until they can track down these sleepers and/or suitcase nukes.
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