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Old 09-19-2004, 04:55 PM  
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In a post game interview, it was clear that Gunther is starting to realize the mountain he's faced with climbing.

He talked about how they practiced the plays Carolina ran all week, and practiced the exact short pass play that Denver and Carolina both scored on. But the guys just keep making the same mistakes. He also threw McCleon under the bus...keep your eye out for Bartee in the starting line-up soon. Talked about how poorly our secondary played (#44 being the one bright spot). Also mentioned the shitfull tackling.

It's obvious that our guys in the defensive backfield suck. Barber is non-existent. Mitchell and Beisel both over-commit on every misdirection play. Our safeties are soft, and can't hit or tackle. McCleon is not suited to be a starter at this point.

The tackling is ****ing brutal. How hard is it to teach these guys to wrap up? Why do we never lay good hits? Why does our entire secondary stand and watch when we get the QB in trouble? This defense isn't getting better. Until we can cover downfield, all the QB pressure in the world won't save us (as Delhomme demonstrated).

I was wrong. It's not the scheme. It's the players.
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Old 09-19-2004, 04:58 PM   #2
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Yep..you are right...Ill bet Gunther feels like choking DV right about now for letting him talk himself into coming back to fix this crappy Defense.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:00 PM   #3
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In a post game interview, it was clear that Gunther is starting to realize the mountain he's faced with climbing.

He talked about how they practiced the plays Carolina ran all week, and practiced the exact short pass play that Denver and Carolina both scored on. But the guys just keep making the same mistakes. He also threw McCleon under the bus...keep your eye out for Bartee in the starting line-up soon. Talked about how poorly our secondary played (#44 being the one bright spot). Also mentioned the shitfull tackling.

It's obvious that our guys in the defensive backfield suck. Barber is non-existent. Mitchell and Beisel both over-commit on every misdirection play. Our safeties are soft, and can't hit or tackle. McCleon is not suited to be a starter at this point.

The tackling is ****ing brutal. How hard is it to teach these guys to wrap up? Why do we never lay good hits? Why does our entire secondary stand and watch when we get the QB in trouble? This defense isn't getting better. Until we can cover downfield, all the QB pressure in the world won't save us (as Delhomme demonstrated).

I was wrong. It's not the scheme. It's the players.
Thanks for the info jsp! I was curious of what Gun thought about what the D did today. He needs to start benching players that aren't performing. That is the only way to get their attention IMO.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:06 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info jsp! I was curious of what Gun thought about what the D did today. He needs to start benching players that aren't performing. That is the only way to get their attention IMO.
He didn't name any names, but by reference to certain plays, he basically called certain players out. I'm not sure how I feel about him blasting them in public, but something has to light a fire under these guys asses.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:07 PM   #5
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I would hope that he wouldn't bench McCleon for one bad game. Who on the bench is better?
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:11 PM   #6
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He didn't name any names, but by reference to certain plays, he basically called certain players out. I'm not sure how I feel about him blasting them in public, but something has to light a fire under these guys asses.
I agree but by benching them it sends a message that if you don't perform your sitting. Alot of these guys have bonuses on how many plays they play during the season which may inspire them to play hard or don't get the extra cash.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:13 PM   #7
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I would hope that he wouldn't bench McCleon for one bad game. Who on the bench is better?

I hate to say it but probably Bartee. IMO McCleon is favoring his shoulder which he injured in the preseason and he just isn't being physical in the run game like Gun expects out of his corners. If he can't tackle he shouldn't play.
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I would hope that he wouldn't bench McCleon for one bad game. Who on the bench is better?
McCleon has played like shit in both games. He can't tackle to save his ass, and whatever coverage skills he had last year have disappeared (as evidenced by the Colbert TD). He may still be slightly better than Bartee against the pass, but he's a complete liability against the run.

Personally, I'm ready to see some new faces in the spots that we are sucking at. I didn't see much of Pile, but at least I didn't see him blowing plays.
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:16 PM   #11
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I agree but by benching them it sends a message that if you don't perform your sitting. Alot of these guys have bonuses on how many plays they play during the season which may inspire them to play hard or don't get the extra cash.

I really dont think its gonna matter...I think these guys are playing hard and trying their best...they just dont have the talent to match up sorry to say......Not much u can do to fix that.
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It is the players.

I hope Gun benches some people: Holliday/Sims/McCleon etc.

You have try something to get through their thick skulls.
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It is the players.

I hope Gun benches some people: Holliday/Sims/McCleon etc.

You have try something to get through their thick skulls.
Id be happy if they benched Hicks, Sims, Holliday, Barber, McCleon, and Woods....aint gonna happen.....but its a nice thought
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McCleon has played like shit in both games. He can't tackle to save his ass, and whatever coverage skills he had last year have disappeared (as evidenced by the Colbert TD). He may still be slightly better than Bartee against the pass, but he's a complete liability against the run.

Personally, I'm ready to see some new faces in the spots that we are sucking at. I didn't see much of Pile, but at least I didn't see him blowing plays.
I would agree that McCleon didn't have a good week this week, but I thought he played pretty well last week. And while he got run over on some plays, at least he was in position to make them.
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