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milkman 03-23-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10509806)
Oh shut up, you grump.

I am not regretting the trade for Smith.

Hell, I am not even complaining about the Chiefs lack of activity this year.

I am arguing the stupid rationalizations by the people that are defending that lack of activity.

milkman 03-23-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10509809)
His career was turning around but whatever.

Let me give you a clue.

Alex Smith wasn't the subject of my post.

chiefzilla1501 03-23-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10509640)
I am suggesting that the Chiefs should spend money in free agency to fill the 2 most glaring holes.
Not asking to make huge investments.

I would rather collect 4 draft comp picks and use our money to invest in major extensions for Smith, Houston, and Berry. That also gives you a chance to frontload Smith's contract.

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You don't trade 2 2nd round picks for a QB to regain respectability.
You trade late picks for that QB.
Other than Carson Palmer to the Cardinals (which may have been a fluke and definitely isn't a long-term answer)... how many late round trades for QB actually do that? I don't like the comp we gave up for Alex Smith. But it's silly that people think because we traded Smith we need to start stockpiling free agents around him immediately to justify the investment. The Seahawks traded a 3rd and a 20-pick 2nd round swap to bring in Charlie Whitehurst. I'd say they still managed to build a terrific team because they focused on the draft.

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What the Chiefs are telling us is that winning in the regular season in their priority.
It's hard to believe that after what the Chiefs did this offseason, that their goal is to just put butts in seats as you claim. If they truly believed that, then why wouldn't they take the safe approach and sign one of their low-priced Guards for cheap? It sure seems to me that what the Chiefs are doing is telling us our primary priority is building through the draft. And I like that a lot better than what we did last year.

Rausch 03-23-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10509838)
I would rather collect 4 draft comp picks and use our money to invest in major extensions for Smith, Houston, and Berry. That also gives you a chance to frontload Smith's contract.

Why do you think we would get 4 comp picks?...

chiefzilla1501 03-23-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10509839)
Why do you think we would get 4 comp picks?...

You get comp picks if you lose more free agents than you sign, and when you lose big money free agents and don't sign many big money free agents.

I'm sure Albert could get us a 3rd rounder, and Schwartz, Asamoah, and McCluster get us competitive comp too (Jackson neutralized by Vance Walker signing). I'm guessing signing, say, a Jairus Byrd really hurts that Albert trade comp.

Direckshun 03-23-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10509478)
Spin it however you want, last year's offseason combined with this year's only strengthens the notion that Clark Hunt only cares about putting butts into the seats.

:rolleyes:

I think this post is really stupid on two different grounds:

Owners *do* only care about $$$. But the most reliable formula for selling seats is TO BE SUPER BOWL COMPETITIVE.

I really don't know how people argue with a straight face that zero playoff wins is the Hunts' idea for selling seats. I really don't.

My second point is, EVEN IF THAT IS HUNT'S ONLY CONCERN, then you mortgage the future on a splash free agent this offseason. You don't sit on your ass while Denver signs a Pro Bowl team.

philfree 03-23-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10509818)
Let me give you a clue.

Alex Smith wasn't the subject of my post.

I don't think two 2nds was all that much but that 2nd round pick this year could help there's no doubt. True to form though the Chiefs seem to be willing to stand basically pat after a winning season where they seem close to becoming a serious contender. I don't think they just want butts in the seats though IMO they're just not very good at what they do. They want to win a championship they just don't know how.

What was your point again?

booger 03-23-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazooka Poe (Post 10509660)
I think having Berry around will push Johnson to succeed and make him comfortable. Those guys went to high school together.

no that was Rokevious Watkins and Berry

planetdoc 03-24-2014 10:59 AM

Breakdown: Chiefs G Rishaw Johnson's snaps vs. the Chargers

just goes through the snaps...no gifs. Cool thing is that Geoff Schwartz responds and says the author did a good job on the breakdown.

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Originally Posted by article
Takeaway
Is Rishaw Johnson the future at RG for the Chiefs? After watching every snap of Week 17 multiple times, I can definitively tell you ... I don't know.

I really like how Rishaw played for 95 percent of the game. But when he whiffed, he whiffed BADLY. He also had some of his worst snaps at the worst possible time.

That said, you can definitely see why Schwartz was praising him. He's got very good stength in both his upper and lower body. He can move in space a little bit. He plays until the whistle. He seems to have a mean streak. And he is above average at locking onto defenders at the second level of the defense when asked to do so (at least for a guy at this point in his career).

I can't give my complete vote of confidence to a guy who has played one game. But I will say that after watching Rishaw in action against a desperate group of defenders, I won't be overly surprised if the Chiefs stand pat at guard in the draft. And I won't be terribly upset about it, either.

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Originally Posted by article
lest anyone think I'm just a huge homer who likes ANY Chief I watch, let me say frankly that I don't feel the same way about Kush and Rok Watkins. Both of them looked very overmatched against San Diego's defensive front. If either of them has to see playing time this next year, I believe the Chiefs could be in trouble.


Direckshun 03-24-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10513177)
Breakdown: Chiefs G Rishaw Johnson's snaps vs. the Chargers

just goes through the snaps...no gifs. Cool thing is that Geoff Schwartz responds and says the author did a good job on the breakdown.

AWESOME.

Rep.

Mr. Laz 03-24-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10509854)
:rolleyes:

I think this post is really stupid on two different grounds:

Owners *do* only care about $$$. But the most reliable formula for selling seats is TO BE SUPER BOWL COMPETITIVE.

I really don't know how people argue with a straight face that zero playoff wins is the Hunts' idea for selling seats. I really don't.

My second point is, EVEN IF THAT IS HUNT'S ONLY CONCERN, then you mortgage the future on a splash free agent this offseason. You don't sit on your ass while Denver signs a Pro Bowl team.

Heard this same stupid ass argument throughout Carl Peterson's tenure.

willing a super bowl is not the best way to sell tickets

Consistently making the playoffs and giving the fans 'hope' of maybe winning the super bowl is the safest way to sell tickets.

Really going for a Super Bowl involves a ton of risk and often leads to a rebuild. Risk,risk and more risk.

You can often tell which teams are really trying to win a super bowl and which are trying to maintain consist playoffs by their player balance. If you are really trying to win a super bowl then you have roster full of players on the same career time table. Boom or bust.

The Chiefs have half old/half young so that you never have to fully rebuild. It's the safe 'make the playoffs and see what happens' build.

Peterson made a career of this safe build. You build to make the playoffs not the super bowl. Consistency over potential, a super bowl push is too risky.

O.city 03-24-2014 12:11 PM

You want to give yourself the most chances to win a Super Bowl, consistently making the playoffs is the way to do that.

Mr. Laz 03-24-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10513334)
You want to give yourself the most chances to win a Super Bowl, consistently making the playoffs is the way to do that.

good enough to make the playoffs

good enough to win in the playoffs


2 completely different things


As a Chiefs fan, if you don't know that by now then you haven't been paying attention.

Mother****erJones 03-24-2014 12:26 PM

Was Rishaw part of the waiver seven?

O.city 03-24-2014 12:27 PM

You have to make the playoffs before you can win in the playoffs.

And they aren't completely different things


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