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I posted this in the Cincy thread, but more relevant here.
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That's really my only concern with the move. If he was good enough to play there, why wasn't he playing there? Especially in college. |
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Will be really interesting how long it takes them to realize we were right. They'll fight it for as long as they can because they want to feel like they pulled one over on us. Gonna be really funny. |
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When you add hurries and pressures together… Taylor 36 Orlando 102 |
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Especially with how bad their LT was that final year he was at Florida. Jacksonville I understand - they had an incumbent LT on a franchise tag. Florida was probably an element of inertia. As a true freshman he started at RT when they had an incumbent starter - David Sharpe, at LT. Sharpe was a JR and an eventual 4th round pick in his own right. So I understand starting at RT. Then he played behind Martez Ivey in his last 2 seasons and I can't say I agree with that decision. I just don't think Ivey was very good. Then again, he DID make 2nd team all SEC as a Junior (Taylor was a true Soph starting behind him) and again as Senior. And when Florida's starting G went down, the Gators moved Ivey inside and put Taylor at LT, so I figure that means something. He's spent a lot of time in his career being layered at LT behind guys who I don't think have the pure talent he does, but who were there first and were reasonably accomplished in their own right. |
You all sound like scorned lovers who are trying to convince yourself that your new bf is way better than your old bf.
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I’d like to see KC draft a LT and keep Taylor at RT, though. Especially if we can get a super athletic one like Harrison in the first. I think KC would like to, too.
Could you imagine our offenses improvement in terms of total upside if we were to draft a super athletic OT to pair with Taylor? Incredible to think about, really. That would allow us to handle edge rushers exponentially better. It would allow us take deeper drops and go for bigger plays (Mahomes original super power). Andy could open up the rest of his playbook. Going from Brown/Wiley to say Taylor/Harrison would really open up this offense for the next 4 years snd allow Mahomes to completely dismantle opposing defenses in a historic way. September can’t get here fast enough. |
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Intertia appears to have kept him at RT when there's nothing in his toolbox to suggest he can't be a great LT. Nor is there anything to suggest he'd be better at RT than LT. Meanwhile the idea of dropping a rookie LT into this lineup where you really can't give him much TE help (so you're going to need to use the RB) just isn't terribly appealing to me. Just put him at LT and the rookie at RT. He'll do a great job, IMO. |
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He's being paid to play LT. This isn't hard guys. He's the LT. Get over it and move on.
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Even with an elite LG playing next to him and a HOF QB playing behind him that escaped pressures…his numbers were still horrible. Now, in Cincy he has a QB that likes to hold the ball and take sacks, no elite LG to help him on inside moves and the same feet/hips/athletic traits. I honestly think you guys paid less than most anticipated, but will soon find out why. I think he’s going to get Burrow killed snd will be a giant bitch when Cincy wants to move him back to RT. |
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I think there’s at least a 75% chance you’re absolutely correct. Here’s the reasoning for the other 25%. In his PC he says he will play either side. Wherever the team needs him. Clearly the team said that’s their outlook for him. Andy values both OTs equally. Andy let both starting OTs walk. Here’s what I think they will do… Andy and Veach will draft the best OT with the athletic traits required to play in this system at a high level (handle speed rushers, be able to move and block open field on screens, sweeps and misdirection Andy loves calling) in an effort to fix the OT spots and will decide where they play when they get to practice. |
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He's their LT. It may or may not work out, but if they draft a guy, they're not putting the rookie draft pick at LT> |
Yea cause they're not taking a ****ing OT first.
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To be clear, I’m not advocating us taking a LT in the first round. I’m discussing and playing devils advocate on the idea that I f a super athletic one falls to us at 31, it’s not locked in stone that Taylor is the day one starter at LT for the 2023 KC Chiefs.
My preference is for us to draft a guy like Flowers in the first. |
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His left foot is his drop step. |
CP asks for people to moved to LT for years, Albert, Thuney ect,,, then finally get a great looking transfer canidate and CP refuses to accept it.
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If he was working right tackle he'd be working off the left. |
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Your scenario leaves the pigeonholed with no LT on the roster. Veach does not go into the draft with that kind of hole. Niang is the penciled RT and Taylor LT. Just accept it. |
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I’m just discussing the upside to going in that direction. KC will likely take an OT and 2 WRs in the draft. Gonna be interesting to see how the board falls. |
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Guess we'll just have to console ourselves knowing our Hall of Fame HC, QB and TE will have to somehow find a way to survive without his incredible ability to completely destroy plays before they even get started, and we'll try our best to enjoy our future Super Bowl wins without him. BTW, why the hell are you still here? Until it's time to lose to us again, nobody really cares what you have to say. |
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Veach is taking BPA. Just like last year. He traded up and took a corner, not a DE.
Can't wait. |
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There are gonna be things happen no one expects. |
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Honestly, Veach has shown he can find starters THROUGHOUT the draft. I'm not betting against him. |
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This idea we need a 1st round tackle is just silly. |
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Just wait, buddy. Orlando's going to get Burrow killed. |
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They don't usually come from later in the draft but they absolutely CAN and if anybody can identify those players, it's the Chiefs. |
Just look for an athletic guy with long arms.
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Though it's also fair to wonder if needing to provide additional protection in the form of chips by Kelce or RBs instead of pushing them out in the pattern at the snap didn't impact that. Would an OL that gives routes a longer time to develop prevent teams from being aggressive at the line and in so doing further hinder the WRs abilities to win off the line and get open? If so, then a better RT becomes a force multiplier that suddenly makes your WRs more effective. Just as WRs can make your OL more effective if that's where your strengths lie. Football is just so insanely complementary. Everything impacts everything else. If the best player available at 31 is a starting caliber OT - take him. Because it will help you find more space in the passing game if you can count on your OTs to operate on an island. |
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Though teams weren't doing as much drop 8 against us this year with Hill gone. A lot of the time they were lining up in simple cover 1 and their DBs were just beating our WRs. But when they're less worried about a guy getting over top of them due to lack of time to deliver the ball anyway, they can afford to be that aggressive. |
For comparison..
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Now show the one where the tackling dummy beats him to the QB. :p |
I don't have to watch that. I saw many games where the guy he's supposed to be blocking blows right by him, and he's reaching out trying to grab him in the back, except he's so slow he couldn't even do that.
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I'm fully convinced the Chiefs never had any intention of resigning him. I'm sure they talked to his agent, but as soon as they said they weren't tagging him you knew they had other plans. If the deal with Taylor had fallen through, they may have gone back to him, but he was not the guy they wanted. It's like in a movie when a girl breaks up with a dude and tries to pretend to be sad and says all the right things, and then she walks away and the camera pans over to her jumping into the arms of some other dude. That's exactly what Veach did to Brown. LMAO |
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OBJr is just a large human, he's not a good athlete. And the 'not a good athlete' phrase are his words, not mine.
Jawaan Taylor is a large human and a good athlete. Big difference. |
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I just joined this forum. Maybe this is already been discussed and I certainly didn’t read all of the posts but I read some of them. And I didn’t see it.
I think the real question is whether with what happened Cincinnati is more improved or Kansas City is more improved on the offence of line. They both have additional work to do for their right tackle. It’s unclear what Kansas City will do. Cincinnati in the end they will probably have Williams at right tackle, and he is likely to be satisfactory. My view is that there is more uncertainty in the Kansas City situation[how will Taylor adjust to left tackle and who will be the right tackle and will he come from the draft] then in the Cincinnati situation where Brown will definitely be an upgrade and probably even pretty good, although not elite, and the same will apply for Williams and right tackle. so I think comparatively speaking [ is all that really matters ] Cincinnati will have improve themselves more than Kansas City. And although we won the championship game over the Bengals, the margin was razor thin, and really came down to that stupid play. Their guy made when he roughed Mahomes out of bounds. I like both teams actually. [I am from Ottawa Canada] but I do cheer for the Chiefs. Given the contract Brown signed for with the Bengals I don’t understand why the Chiefs couldn’t have signed both brown and Taylor. Anyway, let’s see what other people think and I hope this hasn’t been covered before. |
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1) The Chiefs have $5M in cap space. 2) OBJ is an athletically limited malcontent who overestimated his value, 3) Burt Vatch doesn’t pay a GD penny more than he wants to, and 4) We have Niang, Kinnard, and one of 10 potential draftees to hold down the RT spot. Also, we beat the Bengals with a MASH unit at WR. They ain’t all that and are due for regression. In summation, cool your tits. |
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Be happy that you got him at a discount. He's okay, but he has flaws that will likely become apparent. |
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Bengals are paying like 44 over the first 2 years. One of the above isn’t a discount. |
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You seem nice. It's not too late to run away from here before one of these guys tell you to lick an AIDS tree for no reason. |
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LMAO LMAO LMAO |
Lol, oh this is going to go wellROFL
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I believe that the Chiefs offense of line will still be much better than the offense of line for the Bengals. The Chiefs essentially have 3 All-Pro offense of linemen in the middle. Adding a more athletic left tackle - the offense of lineman they signed from the Jags - and choosing from Lucas Niang, an offense of lineman who was hurt last season, and Darian Kinnard, an offense of lineman they drafted last year, and anyone they pick up in the draft this year should put them in a good spot, YOU HOSER! (just kidding, I was eating back bacon dipped in maple syrup and couldn't resist!) Now take off, eh? |
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