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htismaqe 03-26-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518061)
I don't doubt that they won't do that or flub comp picks. I am giving Dorsey the opportunity to be a good GM and we don't know yet if he is or isn't. A good GM would make good use of the extra picks and massive cap space we'd get in 2015. Again, if he flubs both chances he's not the right guy.

Again, a guy that could make good use of extra picks and was fully on-board with a plan to use the draft to build wouldn't trade 2 high picks for Alex Smith.

They were desperate and it shows.

milkman 03-26-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518061)
I don't doubt that they won't do that or flub comp picks. I am giving Dorsey the opportunity to be a good GM and we don't know yet if he is or isn't. A good GM would make good use of the extra picks and massive cap space we'd get in 2015. Again, if he flubs both chances he's not the right guy.

Let me paraphrase what your rationalizations amount to.

Alex Smith needs to surrounded by talent to have any chance to lead this team to a SB, but we aren't going to attempt to surround him with talent until his realistic window to lead this team to a SB is virtually closed.

BossChief 03-26-2014 12:48 PM

Comp picks next year are gonna be worth very little.

A shitload of underclassmen declared for this draft and that automatically thins next years class. When you start off with a thin class, the talent pool drops off quickly.

I can see us getting a possible starter with a third round comp pick from Albert, but the rest might as well get thrown in the trash.

IMO, I'd LOVE IT if John Dorsey sold off about every pick from next years draft for picks in this years draft...even if we lose a lot of value in the process.

My preference is to use next years picks to move up from our draft slots in this draft.

Use next years third to move up from 23 to take Ebron.

Use next years second and this years third to move up from our third rounder to the mid-late second in this years draft.

Use next years first to get a mid to late second this year.

Next years 4th for a fifth this year

Next years 5th for a 6th this year

Let me say this part clearly...there are almost 200 players in this draft class with a third round or higher grade. 200. Think about that for awhile and you will understand why my outside the box idea is ****ing brilliant.

With all of those moves, we would get better players than if we kept our picks and waited till next year.

BossChief 03-26-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10517534)
So what's your schtick gonna be next year and the year after and the year after when we're in the same goddamn position we are now?

No way will we be in the same position in 2 years.

Charles
Bowe
Hali
Flowers

These guys will be either gone, or will be a shell of what they currently are.

These guys need to use this draft to bolster this lineup NOW while we still have a chance of winning something with the talent we have drafted and developed.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10518318)
No way will we be in the same position in 2 years.

Charles
Bowe
Hali
Flowers

These guys will be either gone, or will be a shell of what they currently are.

These guys need to use this draft to bolster this lineup NOW while we still have a chance of winning something with the talent we have drafted and developed.

We wasted Derrick Thomas' career. We wasted Christian Okoye's. We wasted Priest Holmes', Trent Green's, and James Hasty's.

Chiefs way.

RealSNR 03-26-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10518304)
Comp picks next year are gonna be worth very little.

A shitload of underclassmen declared for this draft and that automatically thins next years class. When you start off with a thin class, the talent pool drops off quickly.

I can see us getting a possible starter with a third round comp pick from Albert, but the rest might as well get thrown in the trash.

IMO, I'd LOVE IT if John Dorsey sold off about every pick from next years draft for picks in this years draft...even if we lose a lot of value in the process.

My preference is to use next years picks to move up from our draft slots in this draft.

Use next years third to move up from 23 to take Ebron.

Use next years second and this years third to move up from our third rounder to the mid-late second in this years draft.

Use next years first to get a mid to late second this year.

Next years 4th for a fifth this year

Next years 5th for a 6th this year

Let me say this part clearly...there are almost 200 players in this draft class with a third round or higher grade. 200. Think about that for awhile and you will understand why my outside the box idea is ****ing brilliant.

With all of those moves, we would get better players than if we kept our picks and waited till next year.

I gotta think that other teams are going to be aware of this strategy and also trying to sell off next year's stock as much as they can. Either that, or our trade partners that buy up our 2015 picks are going to devalue them far more than you're anticipating.

For example, if we want to acquire a 2nd rounder in 2014, it's possible they'll ask for MORE than just our 1st round pick in 2015.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10518318)
No way will we be in the same position in 2 years.

Charles
Bowe
Hali
Flowers

These guys will be either gone, or will be a shell of what they currently are.

These guys need to use this draft to bolster this lineup NOW while we still have a chance of winning something with the talent we have drafted and developed.

They will also free up 30 mill in cap space to buy a replacement if they can't replace in the draft. And while any good GM should be able to replace a guy like Bowe or flowers or dj. Let's not oversell the crisis we are in a few years from now. If we draft well and open up cap space to buy playmakers, we will barely notice the transition.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10518135)
Let me paraphrase what your rationalizations amount to.

Alex Smith needs to surrounded by talent to have any chance to lead this team to a SB, but we aren't going to attempt to surround him with talent until his realistic window to lead this team to a SB is virtually closed.

My scenario assumes we keep pushing for a young QB as Seattle and San Fran did. It also shows that if we play our cards right, we can improve in 2014 and significantly improve in 2015 because of our massive amount of cap space and the depth 17 picks provides to our roster.

Would you agree that if KC can find their kaepernick or Russell Wilson, then what we are doing now is a good approach? It worked nicely for the 49ers.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518815)
They will also free up 30 mill in cap space to buy a replacement if they can't replace in the draft. And while any good GM should be able to replace a guy like Bowe or flowers or dj. Let's not oversell the crisis we are in a few years from now. If we draft well and open up cap space to buy playmakers, we will barely notice the transition.

Transition from 1-and-done to 1-and-done. Of course, nobody will notice.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518835)
My scenario assumes we keep pushing for a young QB as Seattle and San Fran did. It also shows that if we play our cards right, we can improve in 2014 and significantly improve in 2015 because of our massive amount of cap space and the depth 17 picks provides to our roster.

Would you agree that if KC can find their kaepernick or Russell Wilson, then what we are doing now is a good approach? It worked nicely for the 49ers.

Your "if" relies on us doing something that we haven't ever done, in the entire history of the franchise.

RunKC 03-26-2014 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518105)
Again, a guy that could make good use of extra picks and was fully on-board with a plan to use the draft to build wouldn't trade 2 high picks for Alex Smith.

They were desperate and it shows.

Dorsey knew this team was capable of making the playoff with a good QB bc there was was a lot of talent already.

You act as if he's pulling a Herm and going completely young everywhere.

I think Dorsey wants to build this team through the draft but keep older pieces as long as he can while adding some veteran free agent players to the team.

mcaj22 03-26-2014 04:02 PM

well we could have found our Kaepernick or Wilson, when we actually could have ****ing drafted them, but opted to go for offensive lineman or a slow WR that everyone knew was going to be a bust.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10518860)
Dorsey knew this team was capable of making the playoff with a good QB bc there was was a lot of talent already.

You act as if he's pulling a Herm and going completely young everywhere.

I think Dorsey wants to build this team through the draft but keep older pieces as long as he can while adding some veteran free agent players to the team.

So a perennial 1-and-done. Awesome.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10518852)
Your "if" relies on us doing something that we haven't ever done, in the entire history of the franchise.

Yes. But I'll give Dorsey the opportunity to prove he can. I prefer that over the band aid approach, which is something we always do and it's failed miserably. At least with my scenario, there is hope that might try something different.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10518882)
Yes. But I'll give Dorsey the opportunity to prove he can. I prefer that over the band aid approach, which is something we always do and it's failed miserably. At least with my scenario, there is hope that might try something different.

The band aid approach?

You mean the VERY FIRST thing Dorsey did when he got here?


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