I will agree, this FA period has sucked. I'd love to sign some known players, it'd make me feel much better.

Still being upset with the Smith trade, I don't get. It's like you guys would rather stink with a rookie QB, as long as he was a high draft pick. I don't want to be the Jets right now, thinking about bringing in Vick.

Except that Tyson Jackson and Joe Mays are equal replacements. Alberts loss socks but Stephenson did fine in plenty of snaps. We are talking about a ****ing guard and a slot receiver. Oh lordy lordy Lord God help us.

And this again assumes that we no other current roster players step up, we draft no starters, and add no more free agent starters.

Asamoah was not playing well.

This is what is wrong with this board... we sign emmanual ****ing broke foot sanders, suddenly the off season is not so bad...

Same thing with the draft EVERY YEAR... unless joe bob chiefs fan has heard of the player we drafted... IT'S A TERRIBLE PICK....

It gets tiresome.

jackson and Mays are not even close to being the equal


and even if players step up we still LOST to our total talent pool because promoting those players will shrink our depth

once you lose a chance to improve your team in any phase you can't get it back, it's gone.

rebuilding while still looking 'pretty' just means a longer rebuild time

I understand this.

He was injured and then out.

and in a different scheme at all our Olineman were struggling with

As soon as we switched back to ZBS everyone seemed to play better. Assuming that Asamoah would have improved as well is not a stretch. imo.

A point that always seems to be lost...You don't improve if what you add only gets you to the same place that you were...

and we didn't even do that

whether it's starters or depth, we clearly lost a significant amount of talent during FA

That's exactly the case. Nobody is saying anything about it but Allen was easily the worst O-lineman the Chiefs had last season. Dude flat out sucked. I don't really think we can expect much improvement out of him with changing the dynamics around him.

Oh yeah, I agree. I was just stating that it's not going to be an improvement if when it's all over we just managed to sign what we lost because that would only get us to where we were. Even IF that ends up being the case, you still have to hope the new guys can come in, learn a new system and play at the same level as the guys they replaced. Not likely.

Shit, now I'm all pissed off AGAIN. Gotta take a break for a bit...

seeing as how they won't have the luxury of playing Thad Lewis, Jason Campbell, Case ****ing Keenum, and whatever other 3rd string slop QBs they got to beat on last year, while they won't be "doomed" they will have to face real QBs and some of them with real defenses this time around.

I knew you were full of shit. Didn't you give me grief recently over many posts that this team wasn't far away from super bowl contention and should be loading up in free agency?

So which side are you on? Or are you going to find whatever angle breathes pessimism.

Thanks KCStar.

You also get false improvement if you have to buy those improvements. For as much criticism as there has been, it hasn't had a track record of success. If you want to load up around an elite QB or stacked team... Sure.

You are making the assumption that the chiefs stay the same because they didn't add anybody.

This offseason, let the record show, former Chiefs have been paid more than one hundred million dollars more than new Chiefs have been signed to.

Holy wow.

You know what would be stupid? Paying 100 million to stay an 11-6 team or worse. That's what resigning those guys would have been. You get better through the draft. Always have, always will.

Barring signing/trading for a franchise qb.

we didn't have to keep the same players


We just lost a bunch and didn't replace them with anything.

GOD MODE awaits!!!!!!!!!

I'm all for this. **** paying big money to lineman unless they're superb.

Put money in the playmakes. Re-sign Houston and Berry.

Who was the big loss?

we lost 5 nfl starters worth of talent to this roster ... period.

you can try and talk about how we already have replacements etc but the talent is still gone. You move backup up to starters to replace the losses and now you still have 5 holes in depth guys.

So you say we will draft better guys and end up better? No, not really because if we had replace the lost players in FA we still could have still drafted 'better guys' and ended up with the FA guys + the draft guys and been much improved.

Not only that but we are also more locked in to draft certain positions because we created more holes in FA. Now we have to draft 5 guy to specifically replace the FA losses which means we won't be getting better, just staying stagnant.

6 draft picks to replace 5 holes

Johnson. Real tough worker. Lunch pail to work every day type of guy. Just puts one foot in front of the other. Competitive.

Fine, I will.

Glad we didn't pay 100 mil to all those guys. All replaceable and money go towards skill positions

I'll donate a $100 to CP to bring this guy into the starting guard position.

Dorsey upgraded DE with Walker and must feel good about Catapano going from year 1-2. Cooper was a rookie, he'll do better this year. McCluster is a RB playing WR. Avery and or Jenkins are an upgrade over him. Mays can feel Jordan's spot. I'll take Commings over Lewis all day and I don't care that he barely played last year. Stevenson improved some much in his second year. Hope Fischer can do the same.

Let's be serious about this bullshit:

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.co...1209200948.jpg

Or towards Clark's cable bill...

It's like playing Powerball with the expectation of winning...

You're such a dumbass. Ya let's waste a 1st on a shitty OG.

Didn't Dorsey bring in some decent players after they were cut by other teams last year?

yep and we all better hope to hell that he rides that horse again.

we need 4 or 5 more of them this year.

I think Dorsey knows football and will bring in more talent just like last year. He just isn't a big mouth know it all type in front of the camera. He is smart and recognizes football talent and understands just what this team needs to win. I personally don't feel we lost anyone that isn't replaceable although I would have like to keep Schwartz. Otherwise he will bring in some good talent and we save money to sign the playmakers. Alex will have a good year with last year under his belt. If we bring in a good safety and another WR or two we should be fine. I'm on the better team/worse record side of things.

Excellent post my friend.

When are we going to use this money to sign these playmakers?

Next year? What about THIS YEAR?

Clock is ticking on several of our best players.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/pro...aw-johnson-75/

He's got 35" arms and 11" hands. That's going to be near the top of those physical measurements most years for an OT at the combine. He just hasn't had the snaps to put all of that potential to the test. He should be able to lock on and maul inside at G.

While the excitement of what he could be is there he still hasn't shown anything other than the SD game so they need to have proven depth before they blindly just count on him as the starter at RG.

I'm counting. FS, RG, slot WR. And...

Emphasis on the word "proven" in "proven depth."

Another rookie isn't going to be the answer. You'll just be replacing Rishaw Johnson's struggles with someone else's.

That's why I was all about re-signing Schwartz and keeping the draft completely out of the guard picture this year.

You are talking positions without regard to talent. The total team talent level matters even if it's depth. Every starter lost is talent lost even if you replace that talent from an existing player. You still lose depth.

ARRIVALS
Linkenbach, Jeffrey**
Owens, Chris
Walker, Vance*
Mays, Joe*

DEPARTURES

Albert, Branden*
Asamoah, Jon*
Demps, Quintin**
Jackson, Tyson*
Jordan, Akeem**
Lewis, Kendrick*
McCluster, Dexter*
Powe, Jerrell
Schwartz, Geoff*

* had significant time starting
** significant backups

I'm with you there. I wanted to see Geoff resigned. I think in their view Linkenbach is a very similar player to Schwartz when he was signed last year. The versitility and a part time starter. Dorsey loves Kush and Reid drafted Jason Kelce as a 6th rounder and started him at C in his 2nd year so them moving Hudson to G is something I think they will strongly consider as well. In one of Dorsey's Q/A's, not a recent one but maybe his end of the season presser he mentioned not being surprised if Kush pushes for a starting job. In that case I like Hudson better at LG than RG and that would allow Allen to compete at RG too. I'd like to see them add J'Marcus Webb who they recently visited with. Chris Ballard knows him well from his time with the Bears when he was drafted and Martz loved him. He's only 25-26 with quite a bit of starts under his belt and could compete with Linkebach for a backup job. It's probably better and safer to get a guy like Daryn College on board as a vet with years full of starts under his belt.

All of the talk last year about the youngest line in the league and it's gotten younger this year so far. It's a concern for sure

Who are you most upset about losing?

The Chiefs will have the same number of players at those positions. They aren't gonna have fewer players. I think it'll be easy to upgrade even the reserve positions.

Jordan was a starter.

FYP above

And we still have a lot of free agency and the draft. After this time last year, Dorsey hauled in Cooper, McGrath, Parker, Jenkins, Sherman, Fisher, Zombo, Catapano, Rokevius Watkins, Rishaw Johnson, Nico Johnson, Kush, Akeem Jordan. That's thirteen 2014 roster players, five 2013 starters, and 2 or 3 of those guys may end up being 2014 starters.

So no, I am not worried about depth. And I'm also not worried that the remainder of the offseason, we won't neutralize our talent losses. We have to replace a backup Guard, a starting Guard, and a loss in talent at Left Tackle. And some minor losses in talent at some positions likely neutralized by improvements in organic talent already on the roster.

I'm upset about losing talent and not replacing it.

doesn't matter how well we draft because it should be FA + Draft

You have 3 phases to improve your team in the offseason

FA
Trade
Draft

Once you don't improve in one of these areas you can't make it up ... once it's gone, it's gone. Unless you crossover (ie trade players for draft picks etc).

imo we haven't done enough in FA, it makes me think we aren't serious about winning. That's why i'm pissed.

I understand mistakes and failures but i can't stand not trying.

We probably upgraded both DE and ILB at a lower combined cost than keeping Jordan and Tyson Jackson. Outside of that, we saved about $20M on three offensive linemen, a position we've all screamed up and down is not a high positional value spot.

If this team ends up being equal or better than last year while saving $20M, resigning Alex Smith/Houston/Berry to huge long-term non cap-killing deals, while not hastily restructuring Hali and Flowers to shitty cap-killing contracts, AND as a result of all that earn our way to 3 to 4 good to great compensatory picks (giving us 10-11 picks in 2015), I'd say that's an offseason that actually feels like a strategy whereas last year was just throwing money at players to help us fill seats.

Potential comp picks for Hali/Flowers departure would not occur for 2015 draft. We should see nice 2015 comp picks resulting from the current free agency, though.

Spin it however you want, last year's offseason combined with this year's only strengthens the notion that Clark Hunt only cares about putting butts into the seats.

Spin it however you want...
You are suggesting the Chiefs should have either torn the team apart and committed to a painful rebuild the year after a massive fan revolt. Or option B, because we invested in Alex Smith, we should be throwing money as if Smith is a guy who can carry a team to the Super Bowl on his back. I'm not a fan of either of those choices (and no, I'm not a blind Dorsey apologist. I've consistently been critical of his big offseason moves last year).

Also, it's hard to claim Hunt doesn't want to win big after he went over Peterson's head to give Herm license to commit to a rebuild, and then hired Pioli and told him he had time and patience to let him build the team his way.

We will likely get comp picks for Albert, Schwartz, and maybe both McCluster and Asamoah. We will likely get comped for losing a ton of free agents (mostly big contract free agents). At this rate, we might get 4 comp picks and some as high as the 3rd round.

Signing Jairus Byrd hurts our ability to win comp picks. Extending Smith, Houston, and Berry does not.

I don't get it. He gutted FO, coaching staff following a fan rebellion, granted. However, he hasn't signed any big named players that would be conducive with that philosophy.

Last year was probably the only year in Hunt's entire run that we saw the team use free agency to build a winner.

And no I don't think he's cheap. He seems to put a lot of faith in his GMs/coaches to build things their way and I don't for a second think Pioli and Dorsey were hired because they have a history of being cheap. In Pioli, he gambled really poorly. In Herm he gambled correctly. Yet to see on Dorsey. His ability to draft this year in next year will tell us a lot about how good he really is.

I don't think Hunt is cheap. He's spending a shit load of cash to put this new FO in place, get rid of the old bad shit FO and coaches.

The Chiefs could position themselves well to make a really massive upgrade to this team in 2015. They'll have a lot of money to play with and there is a TON of talent that could pop into the 2015 free agent class including JJ Watt and maybe someone like Earl Thomas. And because of our conservative approach to the absolutely shitty 2014 free agent class, we could wind up with 11 draft picks. Because we were patient with Hali and Flowers, we can restructure their contracts next year when we have leverage.

Yes last year was one of the few years we've seen him maximize FA to give us a shot, but think about how it was done. Nothing spectacular. Avery and Smith were the only recognizable names (granted you could include Fasano in that as well) but nobody who would automatically be granted a team changer.

We signed a ton of short term contracts to players who are good but not great.

If the goal is to put "butts in seats" than he's doing it all wrong. Signing big named FA is the way to go about it. Seriously who's going to sell more tickets? Brett Favre or Sean Smith?

Well, I wasn't impressed with how they handled it last year. But I get why they did it. Same reason the Browns are doing it this year. I agree, it's not about putting butts in seats. Tough words to use. More about restoring pride and confidence in the team. After the fan revolt and with Reid searching to find himself again, it is hard to fault Hunt for wanting to build an immediate winner. And no, I don't see why taking that step obligates you to all of a sudden go on a free agent frenzy, especially with the kind of lousy 2014 free agent class we had.

I am suggesting that the Chiefs should spend money in free agency to fill the 2 most glaring holes.
Not asking to make huge investments.

You don't trade 2 2nd round picks for a QB to regain respectability.
You trade late picks for that QB.

What the Chiefs are telling us is that winning in the regular season in their priority.

you hear that?

That's the sound of the careers of Charles,DJ,Hali,Bowe ticking down to a end.

next year when we get all those comp picks we better think about using them to replace our best players because they are about done.

congrats on 'maintaining'

Good read. I was impressed with Rigshaw and Kush in the Chargers game. I think having Berry around will push Johnson to succeed and make him comfortable. Those guys went to high school together.

Jon Asamoah played two positions on the offensive line no wonder we sucked. He played it at two different weights that's amazing how he could do that. It's only a pound so maybe it was the beginning of the game and the end of the game.

I thought Alex Smith had already regained his respect the previous two season.

I seriously hope this post was intended as a joke.

The Chiefs will have up to 17 picks the next 2 years. A shitload of cap space as Hali and Flowers' contracts sunset, and Bowe's contract becomes cuttable. If they can't replace 4 playmakers over 2 - 3 years with that to work with, then we have the wrong front office.

Wow. So we're already back to regretting the Smith trade? That didn't take long.

Not at all. His game improved and when he was injured he had the highest QB rating in the league. :shrug:

That is what you got out of my post?

Are you and Phil related?

Holy crap, what a couple of morons?

If it wasn't, sorry. There's been an influx of stupid lately because a slow FA.

Oh shut up, you grump.

His career was turning around but whatever.

I am not regretting the trade for Smith.

Hell, I am not even complaining about the Chiefs lack of activity this year.

I am arguing the stupid rationalizations by the people that are defending that lack of activity.

Let me give you a clue.

Alex Smith wasn't the subject of my post.

I would rather collect 4 draft comp picks and use our money to invest in major extensions for Smith, Houston, and Berry. That also gives you a chance to frontload Smith's contract.

Other than Carson Palmer to the Cardinals (which may have been a fluke and definitely isn't a long-term answer)... how many late round trades for QB actually do that? I don't like the comp we gave up for Alex Smith. But it's silly that people think because we traded Smith we need to start stockpiling free agents around him immediately to justify the investment. The Seahawks traded a 3rd and a 20-pick 2nd round swap to bring in Charlie Whitehurst. I'd say they still managed to build a terrific team because they focused on the draft.

It's hard to believe that after what the Chiefs did this offseason, that their goal is to just put butts in seats as you claim. If they truly believed that, then why wouldn't they take the safe approach and sign one of their low-priced Guards for cheap? It sure seems to me that what the Chiefs are doing is telling us our primary priority is building through the draft. And I like that a lot better than what we did last year.

Why do you think we would get 4 comp picks?...

You get comp picks if you lose more free agents than you sign, and when you lose big money free agents and don't sign many big money free agents.

I'm sure Albert could get us a 3rd rounder, and Schwartz, Asamoah, and McCluster get us competitive comp too (Jackson neutralized by Vance Walker signing). I'm guessing signing, say, a Jairus Byrd really hurts that Albert trade comp.

:rolleyes:

I think this post is really stupid on two different grounds:

Owners *do* only care about $$$. But the most reliable formula for selling seats is TO BE SUPER BOWL COMPETITIVE.

I really don't know how people argue with a straight face that zero playoff wins is the Hunts' idea for selling seats. I really don't.

My second point is, EVEN IF THAT IS HUNT'S ONLY CONCERN, then you mortgage the future on a splash free agent this offseason. You don't sit on your ass while Denver signs a Pro Bowl team.

I don't think two 2nds was all that much but that 2nd round pick this year could help there's no doubt. True to form though the Chiefs seem to be willing to stand basically pat after a winning season where they seem close to becoming a serious contender. I don't think they just want butts in the seats though IMO they're just not very good at what they do. They want to win a championship they just don't know how.

What was your point again?

no that was Rokevious Watkins and Berry

Breakdown: Chiefs G Rishaw Johnson's snaps vs. the Chargers

just goes through the snaps...no gifs. Cool thing is that Geoff Schwartz responds and says the author did a good job on the breakdown.

excerpt

AWESOME.

Rep.