Exactly.

Some people here aren't too high on Aaron Murray because they see him as just another Chase Daniel-type backup QB for the team.

Uhh... so tell me why we're paying out the ass for two of these ****ers, then? Get rid of the one we're shelling out $3 million to this season.

He's not going to IR. The doctors cleared him to begin offseason workouts and practices with his new team before the draft started.

I don't expect the Chiefs to make the right move and cut Daniel. NFL coaches are bizarrely stupid about this kind of shit. But anybody acting like the franchise would consider for even a single instant going with Bray over Murray is a ****ing idiot.

Who was Andy's backup his last year in Philly? Wasn't it a rookie 3rd rounder?

I'm not a big fan of Daniel to be honest... but Sean Payton and Andy Reid both felt he grasped the pro game enough to be a backup QB. He's obviously doing something right.

And to be fair Daniel played well last year against a team playing for a playoff spot. Odds are that's probably more than Bray will ever do in this league.

Now if it's simply a money issue, then fair enough. But there's nothing actually on the field that dictates this move.

You know who else played good in 1 game recently? Matt Flynn.

I don't think they gave Daniel a big contract because they thought he had a chance to be the starter someday. They gave him one because they thought he would be exactly what he is, a veteran backup who will be familiar with the offense.

Sure, Daniel is overpaid, but the ink is long since dry on that contract and and free agency is over this year, so cutting him isn't going to make the team appreciably better.

Murray should surplant Daniels. Maybe Reid's in love with Bray's size.

That's true. But we didn't sign Daniel to a $26 million contract, or make him the starter, so I don't see how that's relevant to what happened with Matt Flynn. Daniel did exactly what you hope your backup QB will do, just like Flynn did. I don't think anyone advocated making Daniel a starter, unless I missed it.

I wasn't making reference to him becoming a starter, he never became that anyway. I was referencing him being a pos, like Daniel.

I never ever want to see Daniel become the starter. I don't know if I want to see Murray or Bray become the starter, but only 1 of the 3 make too much ****ing money.

Whether Alex goes down or not what does it matter? This team isn't built around the QB, so why the hell would you pay one that doesnt even play $3mil a year?

He's a backup QB. That's the definition of backup QB. You just want a guy who will keep the boat from completely flipping over if the starter goes out.

I agree I don't think Daniel is an elite backup QB or anything, but no one is making any kind of legit argument as to why Bray is a better option for that role either. Because he's probably not.

No one is talking about Bray being the backup.......................................... Why is this that hard to understand?

This is Daniel as backup and Murray as #3 vs Murray as backup and Bray as #3.

Sorry, I see no reason to go with option #1.

Because the idea is the three best QBs should be on the final roster. It's the most important spot on the field.

Daniel is the best because?

Hes going to be 28 years old and he virtually has no experience.

Bray has more gifted tools to work with than Daniel and if Murray = Daniel but hes younger and cheaper then why the hell would you keep Daniel?

Because Daniel does have experience working at the professional level as a backup QB. Odds are probably 99% he has a much greater grasp of the offense than the other two guys.

Bray has one tool, he can throw it over the mountains like Uncle Rico. What else have you seen that makes you think otherwise? Daniel was a better QB in college than Bray was too.

And this is coming from the guy who doesn't like short QBs and wanted nothing to do with Manziel. If I was running the Chiefs Daniel would not have been the first guy I would've called on to be my backup. But given what's on the team's plate at the moment, keeping him on the roster isn't a crazy move.

I explained this in another thread but Andy Reid has no problem going into the season with an inexperienced #2 QB. He's done it a couple times in Philly penciling in a rookie at #2.

I think Andy Reid lets the best arms win in TC and rolls with it in the season. It's that simple.

So nothing.

He's gone from "Here's your water Drew" to "Here's your water Alex."

also nobody would cry or poop themselves on here if Daniel was cut and picked up by another team and became some sort of starting caliber NFL QB, he's 28 years old and his days as a starting NFL QB are pretty much numbered. He's basically like Charlie Whitehurst.

If Bray was cut and a desperate shitty franchise took a flyer on him and he became a starter for another team? This place would collectively poop itself.

Murray fell to the 5th because despite his inexperience, he still needs a lot of coaching and they will want to make sure he's fully rehabbed instead of pushing him too soon. I really don't like Daniel, but it's too soon to put Murray in a backup role.

Neither one of them will probably ever be a starter at the NFL level. Murray has a better shot than both of them.

Murray has already been cleared to play.

People always assume a backup QB is there to replace your starter or to take over when you lose your QB for a season. You also need a QB who can take over for 4 or 5 games and win at least half of those games to keep your team in contention. I don't have any confidence in Murray or Bray to do that. Daniel can at least manage a game to a few close wins.

The good news is in Murray, I really think in a year or sooner we'll have a guy who can play that backup role but also has developmental upside to be a starter. Worst case scenario, we have a solid backup for years to come.

That doesn't mean they'll want him going full blast. I'm sure they'll be careful with him -- no sense in rushing him when you don't really need him right away.

This team went 9-0 with damn near nothing coming from the QB position.

Yep, they should let Murray sit out a year anyway unless he just blows the balls off of Bray(Who sounds like he isn't working his ass off with a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady like drive) and Danielssssssssssssssssssssss.

I'm guessing that all four go into camp, and Bray is let go at the first cuts. In this case, Murray being more of an unknown works to his advantage because if Bray has been with the team a year and hasn't picked things up, that seems to align with the reasons he was UDFA anyway.

Murray on the other hand has intangibles and maturity and the work ethic that Bray has been held back by. Certainly one of them is the better bet as a developmental project.

I don't understand how a professional player isn't able to "Grasp a System".


It's their job FFS.

Some people just don't mentally digest things to acceptable levels.

I'm confident in saying I'm smarter than the average guy, and was smarter than kids my age when I was in HS but I turn into a doorknob humping moron when it comes to playing sports. Especially basketball: I could never run an offensive play on the court because I just couldn't understand the step by step setup of them. In football I'd forget to call out crackback blocks on an LB.

Bray's intelligence was always in question.

What evidence do you have to support this notion?

He's got more time invested in KC's playbook. That's it. That's the only legitimate experience he has over Murray and Bray.

He's not Josh McCown or Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton or Kerry Collins. He's not this stalwart dependable ride-the-storm backup. He's an unknown. Unproven. He's basically no better than a smart and successful rookie with limited starting QB traits like Murray.

New motto......HURRY FOR MUARRY

Well I can answer that for you.

Tyler Bray had different coaches at Tennessee. None of the systems he ran were considered to be extremely stringent and hard to learn.

The west coast offense is one of the hardest to learn. Not every qb is going to be like Alex Smith and be able to soak it all in immediately and be ready to go.

Especially a qb like Bray, who spent more time with the Scout team running other teams playbooks for that particular week is going to take a little longer.

I would say lets see how it works out come the preseason.

Im betting that its going to be very hard for the Chiefs to cut him.

I could see the Chiefs cutting Daniel before they cut Bray.

I could see Murray as the 3rd string inactive qb this year, and Bray as the primary back up.

And a situation very much like in San Francisco that if Alex does get hurt, he may never get his job back from Bray.

ThIs Is mY FANtASy!!!!!11!

I'm a huge huge Mizzou homer... and I'd be fine with the Chiefs cutting Chase. Murray and Bray both have a real chance (or at least some chance) to be a franchise QB. Of the three... Daniel is the longest shot. But he's made a good little career for himself, made a ton of money... good for him.

I don't think we should cut Daniel simply because a team in the NFL needs a backup capable of giving the team a chance to win a game the way Daniel did last year. That's why most every team has one of those guys and not a bunch of UDFAs on their roster.

At this point in the year it would be a feel-good to send Daniel packing and keep both the young guys, but if Smith was out for a week and we had a must-win game looking at us, wouldn't you rather have Daniel than someone who has never played a down in a real game before?

Fans don't think this way, but coaches and GMs do.

Change Bray to Stanzi, and you probably could have heard the same shit that you're saying from a few people last year.

I'd like to see a competition in the preseason as well.

Problem is this type of news about Bray isn't surprising. If pre-draft reports last year were true Bray never really put any off the field time in to studying the play book and never learned the whole thing.

And that was in college.

And that's not even mentioning his other douchey behaviors.

It'd be a shame to watch all that talent get pissed away...

Goddamn, you're on a roll tonight.

Smith, Murray, Bray should be the depth chart come regular season... No reason for Daniels to stick around. Reid loves developing QB's and he drafted Bray and Murray. I wouldn't understand why he drafted Bray if he isn't going to stick around this season.

He didn't draft Bray.

And his last name isn't ****ing Daniels

Annoys the shit out of me.

Tyler Bray is as dumb as they come. I'm not surprised by this at all...

Lol! Very true. I dont understand all Daniel hate around here. Dude answered the bell at San Diego last year. If Smith goes down, he's not gonna wet the bed. The others Im not so sure about and Im not even sure Bray can even spell BED.

I wish Bray and Murray will both show they can be NFL quarterbacks but there's a good chance at least one of the two will not, more than likely Bray. To me, its not a big deal if Bray is cut. Chances are he'll likely never be an NFL starter so I think keeping him for the sake of keeping him is dumb. If he outplays Daniel on preseason, then cut Daniel, if not then Bray can go. If Alex is out for a game or two, I'd much rather start Daniel than Bray at this point.
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Chase looked good in the one game he played in from what I remember. Id rather keep him,but if not im sure he'll land on his feet

does nobody remember that bray greatly outplayed daniel in training camp and preseason? That about 90% of everyone thought there was a chance that bray would beat daniel out for 2nd????? I'm pretty sure the only reason he didn't is because in the first year they wanted the experience behind alex.

I don't think bray has picked things up like the other QB's since he was pretty much always scout teams like someone else said but from preseason and all the reports in training camp i think he's been just fine picking it up.

I think it will be Smith, Bray, Murray 3rd string bring him along slowly unless he is leaps and bounds above bray.

Bray didn't outplay Daniel in preseason.
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Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD% INT INT% Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating

Alex Smith 48 31 288 64.6 6 1 2.1 0 -- 30 5 22 87.8

Chase Daniel 48 30 272 62.5 5.7 1 2.1 1 2.1 24 11 64 76

Tyler Bray 40 21 220 52.5 5.5 3 7.5 1 2.5 43 5 44 83.3

They're not cutting Daniel. There is no way Reid goes into the year with a one year guy and a rookie as his backups. They gave that coin to Daniel for a reason.

Either one of them goes to IR, or Bray gets cut...

Potential.

Daniel has had how many years? We all know what he is. Now someone else should get the chance.

Unless my starting QB is a clear franchise player, I want to see guys continually brought in that at least have a chance, however small.

Career clipboard holders like Daniel just take opportunity away from potential.

I disagree if assimilating a playbook is as problem then you work as hard as you can so you are able to cite backwards and forwards. Favre wasn't the smartest man in the univers but he could run the WC to an acceptable level.

I am disappoint

Emotional draft people man. Crazy.

Didn't finish the job.

Missouri players gonna Missouri.

Pretty perfectly sums up my feelings. And I'm a Missouri fan who likes Chase Daniel.

I expect Bray to continue being what he is - a guy with picture-perfect physical abilities and enough other issues to go undrafted in a very shitty draft class.

And if that's the case, he will - and should - be cut.

I understand both side of the issue. To me they have been making these moves setting themselves up to potentially dump salaries in order to lock up Berry Poe and Houston long term and finalize smith's deal. In terms of Bray he has to show improvement. First in terms of his maturity. Didn't he get engaged or married recently? I think I read that was tweeted here somewhere. That's a good sign, potentially, that he is growing up. Football wise is the unknown. How much did he actually learn and improve himself from a football standpoint last year? He's got Reid, Pederson, Nagy, and Childress all there to tutor him. And how does he respond to Murry being picked? What you would hope to see is for Bray to step it up and compete. Take his craft and this opportunity seriously enough and just show some improvement. From listening to Dorsey in the end of the draft presser, Murry won't be hurried right away in the rookie mini camp when all the tryout guys come in. That's probably why they got that other QB coming in, just for an arm and try out. Sounds like He's at least going to be full go by TC. If he shows a good grasp of picking things up and can be a game manager close to if not better than Chase then Bray would have a chance to stick just with his high ceiling potential alone. He just has to take full advantage of that, take it seriously that he's also like Murry, in a great place, great staff to learn from and be developed. It's all up to Tyler and how he responds to competition. If he earns it and Murry is healthy enough and picks things up quick enough I don't think they hesitate to dump Chase's salary and put that cap space to good use. But if Bray just tries to coast along and think a spot for him is a given, he probably will get cut.

Same thing with Succop and his contract being a bit hefty for a kicker especially on this team with some home grown stars it wants to extend. It might not be this rookie FA from Tulane but he could be targeted to be replaced sooner than later. Flowers and Hali are safe this year, they need them for sure. But if they are out played I think they would be happy to replace Succop and Chase because of their bloated contracts.

Murry vs Daniels

Let the battle begin!!!

He kinda had help from the refs, dont ya think??? He's the only backup QB on the roster with any real experience, and the savings of cutting him is not wort the risk of having to go to a raw one- year - guy or rookie if Smith goes down. This is not the time to cut Daniels. Course, I thought they'd retain Schwartz too, so what do I know?

murray has been a better QB than bray his entire life...if by QB you mean "someone who actually knows how to play QB"


if by QB you mean "he throws teh ball far and i wish i could see his penis" then Bray is your guy


Daniels is a ****ing over priced nobody...murray > daniels

and sacc is becoming the como of the draft, jesus he is wrong about every player's value by about 10 rounds

Tennessee fans didn't even really like him. He's like a homeless man's version of Blaine Gabbert. It's possible he can finally put it together and use some of his physical potential, but it seems like a long shot at this point. If the Chiefs cut him, it will because they don't see that happening so it shouldn't be too concerning if a team like Denver picks him up. It would be more like a sign of desperation.

You're right about Bray.

Also right about Daniels being over priced, which is really the only argument for letting him go. (Same way Dex was a round 2 pick, had he been taken in round 4 people would have loved the guy. )

Wrong about Murray being better than Daniels. Not now he's not. Maybe one day and maybe sooner rather than later. If I don't see that happening, I keep Daniels.

That big arm could flip 3 times as many burgers than the average.

Daniels is stealing money from the chiefs...thankfully murray will send his ass packing next year

I wouldn't like Daniel if he was reasonably priced.

He's simply another aging never has been providing a reason for this team not to be serious about upgrading the position. Instead of getting serious about the most important position on the field we are worrying about who's going to replace Hali, Flowers, etc. down the line and ignoring the QB because "Well, we've got Daniel."

Yeah the poo man's takes are pretty garbage.

Come on. Tyler Bray may be immature but his 24 wonderlic, although not great, hardly is consistent with your statement. He's no Jeff George, who got a 10.

You're entitled to your opinion. Me, well I'm glad "We've got Daniel." :)

Common sense Dumb, not test score dumb...

Does one start make you an experienced backup now? Kyle orton is an experienced back up. Matt Cassie is an experienced back up. Chase Daniel is a guy who started a game against a fringe team.

Daniel started one Game against a team that really needed to win and we started all of our backups. I expected us to take a beating. Taking that into account he played ok and looked far less bad than some of the garbage we have trotted out in the last few years. Unfortunately I see his ceiling maxed out as an adequate backup. If we were poised for a SB run I would want a better more experienced 2nd string QB. I think where we are actually at I would like to see us keep those with a higher upside. A playoff with Smith healthy all season seems unlikely with him missing a few games we are close to 0 %. So I guess I am saying the best thing we could do is try and make CD look as good as possible and hope some other team finds their selves in a dire enough situation where we might get a late round pick for him.

Chase Daniel is a short fat turd who wouldn't be given two seconds of consideration except he played for the dogshit university in Columbia.

Daniel gives you absolutely ZERO upside. If Smith goes down.....Daniel isn't leading us anywhere that Bray or Murray can't take us.

Did you really just make a 1:1 connection between exhibition stats and how well QBs played?

THAT

This. Daniel is not an experienced backup. He has started one more game in the nfl than bray, Murray, or me.