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RunKC 03-26-2014 08:51 PM

If Alex Smith plays like last season, then the compensation is well worth it, especially if he does what he did in Indy.

The goal should be to get a balanced team emphasizing a quality QB and quality pass rushers that can get you to the playoffs every year and give you a chance to win.

beach tribe 03-26-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10519469)
Adding 3 to 4 picks so we have 16 to 17 picks in 2 years... if Dorsey does his job right, it adds a few starters, hopefully some playmakers, and big time quality depth. It might allow you to draft depth guys who can allow you to cut guys like Fasano, DeVito, Sean Smith, and Daniel who are eating up way too much cap.

Locking up Smith, Berry and Houston now helps us avoid the massive cap inflation next year not to mention giving other teams a chance to let them test the market and drive up the price. We can also make their contracts 2015 cap friendly. If you do that, cut some of those guys above, and restructure Hali/Flowers next year, we will have a shitload of cash for free agents and we won't have to mortgage our future to use it.

So yes, I think 16 to 17 picks and a shitload of free agent cash in 2015 could make us very good in 2015.

This whole plan depends on how they draft.
We need all the picks we can get and our entire chance for success depends on how they draft.

If we draft well, we can constantly have a loaded roster, and compete year in and year out.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10519491)
This whole plan depends on how they draft.
We need all the picks we can get and our entire chance for success depends on how they draft.

If we draft well, we can constantly have a loaded roster, and compete year in and year out.

Whether we spend or don't spend, it depends on us drafting well. Worst case scenario, we don't draft well and our expensive veterans are replaced by expensive veterans. People forget that when good players leave, they take their expensive contracts with them.

O.city 03-26-2014 08:58 PM

It's also not as easy as just bringing in another high prices free agent. Continuity, consistency are pretty hue in these cases.

The best teams sign their own, then let them go when they're too old.

beach tribe 03-26-2014 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10519468)
That's a ridiculous comparison. Are you telling me that Payton wasn't capable of winning a superbowl last year?

It's not like at the age of 34 their arm stops working.

Yeop. Like I said, roughly 10% of SBs have been won by QBs over 34, and 34+ is proabably the lowest % of starters in the league.
Which is probably pretty favorable compared to all other age groups outside of 26-30&30-34 groups which Smith will fall under for the next four seasons.
I know, I said all of this already.

beach tribe 03-26-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10519499)
Whether we spend or don't spend, it depends on us drafting well. Worst case scenario, we don't draft well and our expensive veterans are replaced by expensive veterans. People forget that when good players leave, they take their expensive contracts with them.

Spending is worthless if we don't draft well.
Nothing else really matters.

chiefzilla1501 03-26-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10519503)
It's also not as easy as just bringing in another high prices free agent. Continuity, consistency are pretty hue in these cases.

The best teams sign their own, then let them go when they're too old.

The first step is not freaking out if we think a guy like Rishaw Johnson might be worth a look at starter just because he was cut or hasn't started a single game. Especially for positions that aren't that important. If we keep buying replacements, we'll never have the kind of trust to let cheap young talent prove their worth.

RunKC 03-26-2014 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10519512)
The first step is not freaking out if we think a guy like Rishaw Johnson might be worth a look at starter just because he was cut or hasn't started a single game. Especially for positions that aren't that important. If we keep buying replacements, we'll never have the kind of trust to let cheap young talent prove their worth.

This is such a great post.

So many people here seem to point the finger at these young guys from the 2013 class without letting them have the chance to play things out in their due time.
Some of these guys haven't even had the chance to play yet.

O.city 03-26-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10519517)
This is such a great post.

So many people here seem to point the finger at these young guys from the 2013 class without letting them have the chance to play things out in their due time.
Some of these guys haven't even had the chance to play yet.

Maybe because up to this point, those same guys, against nfl competition, have shown to be either mediocre, or injury prone, or both.

They may end up being great, or they may keep sucking. For the chiefs sake, I hope it's the former.

O.city 03-26-2014 09:11 PM

Like it or not, the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league. Guys don't always get their due time.

beach tribe 03-26-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10519512)
The first step is not freaking out if we think a guy like Rishaw Johnson might be worth a look at starter just because he was cut or hasn't started a single game. Especially for positions that aren't that important. If we keep buying replacements, we'll never have the kind of trust to let cheap young talent prove their worth.

And Johnson has started a game and looked damn good doing it.
Also got a ringing endorsement from the guy he's going to be replacing, who said, he improved tremendously throughout the season.
Dorsey hit on some young castoffs like Cooper. He very may well have done it again.
G is probably the position of lowest positional value, and they seem to think this guy can do. I'm very interested in seeing if they are right.
G isn't like T. Sometimes all you need is JAG at those positions.

ShortRoundChief 03-26-2014 09:11 PM

Hilarity concerning A. Smith

Check out NFL.com 05 draft do over

Notice who the chiefs pick

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...writers_brooks

beach tribe 03-26-2014 09:12 PM

There was seemingly no drop off in production in the SD game when Johnson filled in for Geoff S.

O.city 03-26-2014 09:12 PM

If they were doing this with just Johnson, that's one thing.

But they're banking on a lot of young unproven guys.

O.city 03-26-2014 09:13 PM

The whole "looked good in the SD game" stuff is great and all, but that's a pretty damn small sample size


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