I'd have to double-check to confirm, but this might be the largest Rishaw Johnson thread we've ever had on chiefsplanet.

No, the best thing we did in two decades was the massive rebuild through Herm and Kuharich. If they changed coaches, more effectively used that 2009 draft, and stuck with the 4-3, and got a good QB (this was actually a regime that took the position seriously, even if they whiffed a few times). Vermeils teams were overrated. For as much as he damaged this team by loading in the window, you'd expect a much better result than one playoff loss in four years.

The first thing Herm and Kuharich did was try to patch together the remnants of Vermeil's team and make a run at the playoffs.

They lost in the 1st round and delayed the rebuild by a year.

By the time the actual rebuild was in full-swing, Herm had run out of political capital and found himself out of a job.

Dorsey and Reid came in here and so far, they're doing the EXACT SAME THING.

I think you're reinventing history. The repatch was all Peterson. There w as talk that Herm and Peterson didn't get along. Best proof, Herm wanted to start croyle and Peterson decided to sign Huard to a big deal.

Herm went over Petersons head. I think it's pretty much implied that he asked to tear the team apart even if it meant a few painful seasons and that hunt was completely on the same page. You could tell hunt felt really guilty about firing Herm. Herm was fired because of pioli. In the same way pioli douched his way into bad mouthing Kuharich for years.

And Herm ended up being right. The only reason we have the core today is because Kuharich and Herm made a bold decision to fight back against Peterson and put their jobs on the line to set up a youth movement. They handed up a tremendous foundation for pioli and pioli whiffed.

Dorsey and Reid may be doing the same thing. Again, if pioli was not in charge, this team could have been a playoff team by 2009 (at least, playoff talent, coached by a terrible game day coach)

Herm himself said the biggest mistake HE made was delaying the rebuild for a year.

Pioli didn't sign Bowe. Pioli didn't trade picks for Alex Smith. Pioli didn't sign Schwartz and then let him walk. Pioli didn't sign Dunta Robinson.

He's a great scapegoat but some of this started after he was gone.

I just have to comment once in the largest rush as Johnson thread in the WORLD!

I'm not blaming pioli for Dorsey being less than effective last year. I am saying that Herm and Kuharich handed him a team with a terrific young core and a buttload of cap space and pioli whiffed by forcing a 3-4 we weren't built to run. The one thing Reid did get right was at least he hired coaches who could mostly fit the personnel.

At least he had the guts to do it. Many would not. And he had to fight Peterson tooth and nail to get it. And it ended being the right approach. Our core today has a shit load more to do with Herm and Kuharich than Peterson and pioli. And that includes losing guys like Brandon Carr and Bernard pollard.

I agree with that. But then again, you're talking about what a good job Reid has done, not Dorsey.

We're talking past each other.

Herm said his biggest mistake was what he did the FIRST YEAR. He wanted to start the rebuild right away but didn't press the issue.

Ultimately if the approach with Dorsey and Reid fails, it's all going to come back to this first year. The entirety of their stay here hinges on Alex Smith and Eric Fisher.

Dorsey is doing the same thing, but he's not in the terrible position Herm was in. He's still got good players that aren't old as hell. He also got fortunate to get Poe, Houston, Berry and Stephenson, who are cornerstones (or solid players in Stephenson's case).

No matter who the GM is, they would have no choice with Tamba and Flowers. Both those guys are gone next year IMO. Their cap is way too high.

We need more drafts like 2008. That one draft alone has made our team worth watching during Herm and pioli's time

As a Chiefs fan, those kinds of draft come around about once every 10 years.

I hope that changes with Dorsey