If I were them, I'd consider adding somebody like Okafor on the minimum whether they get Love or not, though.

Not only does he have sway. What Lebron says goes. Think it's clear the Cavs will make an offer and that they'll have to overpay. A 2 year contract gives you that leverage.

And that completely sucks. Lebron is a great player but he's not a personnel guy. It's well known that a lot of the awful decisions the Cavs made his first time around was because of Lebron's advice. Secondly and much more importantly, if he is indeed talking to Love, he destroyed all leverage. That is, unless Love goes to the media or even privately and directly says "the only team I will go to is Cleveland." If that happens, the shell game becomes interesting because now both teams HAVE to make this deal and both teams know it.

I was laughing my ass off looking back in the NBA draft thread last night. Napier = LeBron lock. ROFL

That's a great idea.

Phoenix has the best medical staff and they want nothing to do with Okafor. Major red flag there.

Deal this likely underachiver for Love and don't think twice.

You're understating Love's offense by saying Love's offense is overstated.

And he's not bad in the post. Christ, do you think all of his points come from 3-point shots? Do you think every rebound he collects is a gift from God that magically just falls where he happens to be on the court? That just because he's been putting up good numbers on a losing team means he would suck on a winning team because he just wouldn't know what the **** to do with himself?

Wiggins isn't this magical defense remedy for Lebron, either. I don't know where people are getting this "OMG DEFENTH!" thing for Wiggins. I saw him play at KU. He wasn't exactly the best defensive player on the court at times. Yeah, college is college and this is the pros, and he'll definitely grow into himself as a player. I'm not saying Wiggins is terrible at defense, either, or even that he's just okay. He's probably pretty good. But right now you are absolutely overstating his importance to the Cavs based on saving Lebron's minutes with a guy who can play defense.

Yes, it would be really nice to have a Tim Duncan/David Robinson situation with Lebron and Wiggins. Lebron apparently doesn't care about that and wants to build a team that can win a couple championships right now. And the best hope of doing that is with Kevin Love and NOT Andrew Wiggins as a first, second, or even third year player.

The point is that if the Cavs can't find a small forward to play defense off the bench, they're pretty damn stupid. Those guys don't exactly grow on trees, but they're not that ****ing hard to find.

This, although Im not saying he will be an underachiever... Wiggins has a LOT to learn about defense in the NBA, just like all rookies. He got owned against Caanon yesterday, especially at crunch time, and its just summer league play. He might be something some day, but Love is something now and he's in his prime. If the Wolves wanted Wiggins as part of a Love trade, Id do it in a second. Just saying...

Ah I remember when the big debate was whether to draft Dwight Howard or Emeka Okafor. I guess the right choice was made...

Do you want some asshole who can play defense, chiefzilla?

The Timberwolves will throw in Luc Mbah a Moute's overrated ass with a Love trade.

Yeah, we were told that by giving up early on Derrick Williams, we'd be getting DEFENTH! in return.

Well, there's your defense. Get him off the bench to spell Lebron. Let Kyrie and Love run the offense when Lebron is resting.

Problem solved.

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Sheridan: Structure of LeBron’s New Contract Empowers him as King of the Cavs

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07...g-of-the-cavs/

LeBron James can play the rest of his career on the equivalent of one-year contracts. It has exposed a loophole of sorts in the CBA while making him the most powerful man in the NBA.

Nobody saw this coming, but when James signed a two-year deal with Cleveland and had an opt-out included after Year One, the entire power structure of the NBA changed. If the Cavs don’t keep him happy, he’ll leave — that is the implication that goes along with having the best player in the game so uniquely empowered under the structure of his new deal.

Two years from now, when James becomes an unrestricted free agent again, he’ll be able to reap the financial rewards of signing after the NBA’s new television deals are cut. If the money paid by ESPN, Turner Sports and Fox Sports (yes, they NBA could have three TV partners instead of the current two, following the trail blazed by the NFL) is double what is being paid under the current deal, the salary cap will rise accordingly.

If, for argument’s sake, if the salary cap rises to $100 million, James would be eligible for a new contract with a maximum salary of 35 percent of the cap. With 7.5 percent annual raises, James would be eligible for a new five-year contract with salaries of $35 million in Year 1, then $37,626,000, $40,250,000, $42,875,000, $47,550,000.

That adds up to $201.5 million.

Or, he could keep doing two-year contracts with one-year opt outs. That would imperil his ability to lock up a nine-figure deal, but it would keep his empowerment structure in place.

You thought the Decision II brought some finality to James’ moving van options? Wrong. We haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of what James can do by being empowered with a player option after Year One of his next deal … and the deal that comes after that … and the one after that. With a player option. If he declines to exercise that option, he immediately would become an unrestricted free agent. It is a heavy hammer to hold, an enormous position of power that would give James the ability to influence each and every roster decision the Cavs make for the next four years. (Under CBA rules, if James signed a five-year deal he could not have a player option or an Early Termination Option until after the fourth year. A series of two-year contracts would keep him empowered the way he is now).

The Cavs’ evolving stance on the availability of Andrew Wiggins in a potential Kevin Love trade is just the beginning.

Clearly, James is trying to influence Cleveland’s decision making.

Imaginary conversation between LeBron and Dan Gilbert:

LBJ: “I want Kevin Love.”
DG: “We can’t get him, because the Timberwolves want Andrew Wiggins.”
LBJ: “Then give them Wiggins.”
DG: “But Wiggins is 19 and could become the best player in the league down the road.”
LBJ: “When exactly?”
DG: “It might only take four or five years.”
LBJ: “You don’t have four or five years. If you don’t make this trade, I’ll walk next summer. The Knicks and Lakers will both have enough cap space for a max contract. You want me to walk?”
DG: “No.”
LBJ: “Then make the damn trade.”

What might a Wiggins-for-Love trade look like?

Love makes $15.72 million in the upcoming season, and Wiggins will eventually sign for $5.5 million. So the salaries do not come close to matching, but the Cavs and Wolves could get a third team to broker the trade so that other players would not have to be included. Philadelphia is the most logical broker because the Sixers have only $28 million in committed salaries for next season, giving them a whopping $35 million in cap room.

The Cavs could conceivably offer Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and three No. 1 draft picks in 2015 (their own, Memphis’ No. 1 and Miami’s No. 1) for Love.

Flip Saunders would be able to turn to his owner and his fan base and say he got five No. 1 picks, including the top overall picks from 2013 and 2014. Dan Gilbert could turn to his fan base and explain that he made a deal that will allow the Cavs to immediately compete for a title with a starting five of James, Love, Kyrie Irving, Anderson Varejao and Dion Waiters.

LeBron would be placated — and a placated King is a happy King.
And one year from now, LeBron could again go to Gilbert and make whatever roster demands he wished.

Gilbert would have no choice but to comply, because Gilbert would not be the most powerful member of the Cleveland Cavaliers organization.
That title would belong to King James, who already is wielding his power

My sexy time dream is that a three way trade goes down that sends MCW, Bennett, and picks to the Wolves and pairs Wiggins with Embiid in Philadelphia.

My other sexy time dream is a much different three way trading of fluids.

As it should be. LeBron has an incredible basketball mind.

Yes, I want to get back together with you. But you have to get rid of that dog.

But I love my dog.

More than you love me?

Obviously not.

Well, I can't have a dog right now.

But you'll love this dog! It's the exact kind of breed you've always said you wanted.

I understand that. And it's a great dog. But I have a small window with my new job, and it's going to be a lot of travel. I can't afford to have a dog right now. This could be the biggest moment in my career and I want you to be a part of that.

I want to be a part of that-

But it doesn't work if we have a dog.

This dog is totally self sufficient. You can leave it in the yard and it will protect the house while we're away so you don't have to stress about it.

I want a cat.

Ugh....

I need a cat. A blue point siamese.

This dog was free at the pound with all its shots. And now you want me to spend a bunch of money on some purebred cat that needs all this expensive shit.

It's the expensive cat and me or you can sit at home alone with the dog.

****... Alright I'll see if I can find a good home for the dog.

I love you.

Yeah... I... I love you too.

We don't know if Wiggins the Dog is self-sufficient yet. He's a puppy and we just got him from the pound. Yeah, he's a smart breed like a German Shepherd, but any dog can get ****ed up if you don't have a clue what you're doing.

Love the Cat may be expensive, but he came from the old reeruned people next door. You've taken care of the cat before and know that it's had bad owners, but it's still a nice cat that doesn't piss on furniture and claw at the drapes and children. It's only 7 years old and relatively healthy outside of the time two years ago when the old guy accidentally slammed the door on its tail and broke it. The old people are making you pay out the ass for it, but in terms of being the right fit for the household, Love the Cat is the superior pet for the dude who's trying to have a successful career.

Josh Smith can likely be had for very little. Heck, Bledsoe is still available, although he's not a big.

LeBron is the guy who insisted on a lot of the players on the first cavs team. Players are players. Leave the personnel to the coaches. Mj was a terrific basketball mind too. But he can't run a team worth a shit.

They are going to have a below average post presence and LeBron will have to play 40+ minutes a night. At his age, they need to not force LeBron to do everything.

ROFL Great exchange here

You keep saying that Wiggins takes pressure off LeBron on the defensive end, and there's probably merit to that. But doesn't Love equally take pressure off him on the offensive end and on the boards? Between Kyrie creating and Love scoring, LeBron will be able to pick his spots on that end and concentrate a bit more on the defensive end.

He might a little. But any more than Tristan Thompson? Enough to justify max contract? I get that love is a terrific player. But with 17 mill you can pay Wiggins and a solid center. That to me feels like a much better complement than bringing a third player into the starting lineup who is excellent at shooting, can't play in the post, and plays lousy defense.

This.

You can find cheap strong SF defenders anywhere. When Lebron goes to the bench, just run shit through Waiters, Irving, and Love. I threw up the idea of the Wolves throwing in Luc Mbah a Moute as just an example. If it's defense that the Cavs are worried about, you don't need a super stud talent like Wiggins to do that shit for you in the short term future.

I'm not saying Cavs fans should be excited to get rid of Wiggins, but insisting that the team hold onto him or no Love deal is just greed. Yes, that would ****ing rule if he fulfilled his potential and kept the Cavs going even as Lebron got older or left the team. You know what else would ****ing rule? Just winning a goddamn championship for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Possibly two.

The Cavs have the best shot of making that happen right now with Kevin Love. The team has done enough falling ass over tea kettle into outstanding draft picks. It's time to put all that good fortune to use and make an actual team that can win a title or two in the next two seasons.

James, Irving, and Waiters among others can more than carry the scoring load. Varejao, Thompson, and Bennett among others can rebound. This isn't Minnessota where there's no one else to score or rebound. We need depth and defense, we lose all that trading for Love. His skills are also diminished here because we already have players who can do those things. The Cavs need a rim protecter far more than anything else, and that sure as hell isn't Love.

James and Irving have a better chance of winning with a strong supporting cast and bench than they do with Love and nothing else.

Sure I'd Love to have Love as I've said, but not at the current price. We don't NEED him he's just a big luxury. Cavs are in Championship contention for the forseable future with or without him. Blatt has won everywhere he's gone, gets more out of less, his players always love him, and he's regarded as an offensive mastermind. I like our chances.

Except that Wiggins projects to be a solid offensive player with upside to be excellent. We only talk about defense because that feels like more of a known commodity.

The lineup of love, Kyrie, and Waiters first of all forces Kyrie and Waiters to play together. I'm not convinced they can. Secondly, who in that lineup then guards the top scorer? With your entire cap locked into three players, how will you fill your huge gaps to find one defensive stopper to give LeBron a rest and some kind of true inside presence? Wiggins fits perfectly into the mix because he's insurance in case Waiters becomes a pain in the ass, he plays defense on a team that badly needs it, and he'll be a good system player in an offense where you'll have Kyrie, Waiters, and to some level LeBron adjusting to getting less touches.

And with the extra ten mill, you can find someone who actually complements the team.

The cavs would wait until mid season. Let the team for an identity. See what you have short term in Wiggins. Give Bennett a shot to prove his work and possibly up his trade value. In the meantime, they'll increase their leverage with Minnesota for a trade.

Very well could be their decision, and I wouldn't blame them. But of course the risk is that another team swoops in and trades for him. GSW decides to throw Klay in, Chicago offers Mirotic/Gibson and a 1 at them, etc.

Waiters doesn't want to cooperate? Trade him.

Lebron needs a rest defending the other team's best player? Like I said, bring someone in who can do that off the bench.

Corey Brewer last year signed a deal for 3 years and 15 million. He's a starter on a shitty Minnesota team. But off the bench? He's exactly what the Cavs need. And guess what Wiggins is going to earn in his first season? 5-6 million. The exact same money.

As a Chiefs fan, I know a bit what Cavs fans are feeling. And I know the two sports and leagues are completely different, but if there were some way for the Chiefs to bank on 2 or 3 seasons with the best chance the team has ever had at winning a Super Bowl or two, I'd take that if it meant sacrificing the future.

And look, I'm just throwing out shit in the air. Corey Brewer is most likely not going to get traded to the Cavs as a part of the Love deal. I understand that. What I'm saying is that the solutions to the weaknesses of a Cavs roster that has Love instead of Wiggins are easy fixes that you're not thinking about right now.

And I STILL say you are WAAAY undervaluing what Kevin Love can do for your Cavs team. Have you even seen him play basketball more than a couple of times?

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Irving and Waiters are great now. Waiters is one if the guys James has talked to the most, and Tristan Thompson.

Can't wait for Wiggs to be on his own. I'm probably the only KU fan that wants him not on a team with Lebron. Just because I want to show everyone that he can be a superstar on his own, and I Don't have to hear this stupid alpha dog nonsense anymore.

Wiggins will be a superstar. And when the decline of James comes Wiggins will be there to help carry him to another ring or two.

FYP

Am I the only one who thinks Wiggins will just be a really good player and that's pretty much it? Like a Shawn Marion type player. I just don't see him as a superstar.

I'm with you there, but I still just have the bad taste of the Stanford game in my mouth, when he was basically shut down.

I know experience and more coaching would have helped, but damn. That was depressing as ****.

And with the season on the line, Connor Frankamp was the go to player instead of the #1 pick in the draft. Not sure there's ever been a superstar in the NBA that wasn't the guy getting the important shots at the end of their college season (I'm sure there are examples, but not many).

As long as he plays defense well it's fine. We don't need a team full of All-Stars to win. James and Irving are better than that. Waiters can be like what Harden was off then bench for the Thunder. Bennett, Thompson and Varejeo can all get double doubles. Obviously there's not enough ball for all three to average that, but they are all more than capable. The Timberwolves need the trade to happen 10x more than we do.

You're worse than Knowmo you ****ing freak

LMAO LMAO LMAO

It has to be trolling. It just has to be. Bennett can just fall into double doubles. Just look at his history? It's a given.

You forgot to mention that David Blatt is the Bill Belichick of basketball.

We are talking about the same Anthony Bennett that had one of the worst seasons ever for a #1 pick right?

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A bennett who was never healthy and out of shape. If you can't see the difference in the guy, I can't help you.

Did you really write this?

Pop is the David Blatt of Western Conference coaches.

Holy ****. I'm late to this party, but these are some hot basketball takes.

Waiters can be what Harden was? Why? Because both are coming off the bench? Waiters doesn't have 1/100th of the talent Harden does.

The Timberwolves don't need this trade more than the Cavs. The Cavs could win a title with Love.

The Wolves are in the driver's seat here.

Adding the ridiculous offensive efficiency and rebounding of Kevin Love will do more to help that than keeping Wiggins.

I think you're completely wrong. Wiggins will be a good player. Bill Simmons put it best. Wiggins should be groomed into being lebrons pippen. Will he be Jordan? No. Pippen? Yes.

His problems are coachable. He's only 19. Teach him to dribble left, improve mechanics of his jump shot. The rest is just confidence in himself which will come as he improves himself. But again, as a defender, I believe he is absolutely NBA ready.

Yeah. A max contract will do that to you. Of course Kevin love gives you more now.

If you think the cavs objective is to win an NBA championship in the next two years, but all means trade Wiggins for love. I'm realistic to realize even with love, they are massive underdogs against the west. And they still have massive gaps on defense and in the post. And while SNR thinks they can find these guys for no money, the reality is paying a big three makes it difficult to gap fill.

Of course love right now is more talented than Wiggins. But he is a guy you bring in and force him to fit into your system.

Yep. This is getting pretty Knowmo like.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...e-shootaround/

As usual, grantland kills it.

The only problem with that analysis is that many here on this site know more about Wiggins than any of the people offering their insight on Grantland. We've seen Wiggins play 30+ games. They've seen a game or two, some summer league highlights and Chad Ford's (probably) overly optimistic outlook on Wiggin's future.

Agreed. Read that yesterday and thought it covered the angles well.

One bit that seems to be a little overlooked though is with Wiggens you have a guy on a rookie scale contract which gives more roster/payroll flexibility going forward (plus save whatever else they end up giving up). Bring in Love and similar to the Heat that is the core of your roster going forward unless you trade one of the 2 other all-stars.

Definitely a factor. The difference is that your other two All Stars are 22 and 25 years old this time around.

Again, Love isn't Chris Bosh. He's not going to see dry spells in scoring. He has so many different tools at his disposal that will prevent him from seeing the inconsistency that Bosh had in Miami at times.

Can you respond specifically to my Corey Brewer idea? His annual salary is basically equal to Wiggins' for two more years. He's quite a good defender, and he has one or two things he does well on offense, which make him a valuable "energy scorer" if he's coming off the bench. As a starter, that offensive efficiency declines dramatically, but you wouldn't be bringing him aboard to start. You're bringing him aboard so Lebron doesn't have to play 40 minutes per game, and when Lebron is on the bench the team doesn't go into a hole on defense.

I'm not the GM of the Cavaliers, and again, Corey Brewer very likely is not going to be traded, but that's a theoretical possibility. If I can come up with a solution, surely the Cavs can as well?

That's a pretty big assumption. 1) that they didn't do due diligence. 2) that they know less than people here.

More importantly, none of this was going. Simmons was right that there's no reason for the cavs to hurry. See what they have in Wiggins and if he's not helping early, can him.

Other writers were right that at worst, you have a 15 pig guy who plays strong perimeter defense. And they aren't the only people in the world questioning love given that he never makes the playoffs can't post or play defense, and has been accused of Stat inflation.

Good point. You have less chance of them breaking down or declining as they are in theory not yet in their prime. Also might be a bit more tradable if needed since it's not three friends that joined up.

First of all, I don't see why Wiggins has to even be a part of the deal and only think he's on the table because LeBron muddled around.

Secondly, I don't see any rush to get this done today. So for one thing, I think it's crazy to trade Wiggins before he sees the floor. Secondly, if I'm talking about a true complement go the cavs, I'd gladly take Wiggins and a center over love and Brewer even if that meant signing and trading for a center. I think love is overrated, and I think it's silly to pay max contract to a guy who doesn't ply defense or the post, two things the cavs badly need. Not to mention giving up the draft picks that can land you those guys.

Exactly. Keep in mind that next year they could have ten mill saved from keeping Wiggins plus a 10 mil exception for haywood. The cavs need a rim protector and a guy who can protect the middle on defense. They don't need yet another guy who's going to hang out around the perimeter and loaf on defense.

And in addition, probably a few first rounders packaged in. You lose those too.

I've listened to Simmons and Klosterman enough to confidently say that I know more about evaluating a college basketball player than the two of them. The others that wrote about the possible trade I can't speak to. Simmons basically admits that he doesn't watch nor care about college basketball unless it's a player he thinks the Celtics might draft.

I agree waiting is a distinct possibility, with the one major risk that someone else trades for Love first.

Have you seen Kevin Love play more than 2 or 3 games in the past 2 seasons?

Wiggins has gone from the best prospect since LeBron to a higher ceiling Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Really interested to see how he turns out.

So now Love is a guy that just hangs around the perimeter? He gets 13 long rebounds per game?

Here's another risk to waiting : what if Wiggins sees the floor and he plays like Ben McLemore last year for the Kings? Similar games. Decent stroke, ok handles but not really a good creator, a bit tentative offensively, very good athlete not quite sure how to use it. In that case, maybe Wiggins loses some of the shine of "#1 pick with unlimited upside!". That's not necessarily likely, but it could very well be a sell high situation right now.

Those rim protecting bigs also tend to cost a lot to acquire or you have to be in position to draft/develop one with is much less likely for the Cavs going forward. Makes that Tristan Thompson pick sting a little more but that is easily offset but the incredible luck of getting two subsequent 1st overall picks.

I watch a lot of Ku games. I knew malevolent was going to be a bust. I don't think Wiggins will. Worst case scenario, Wiggins struggles early and you package with Waiters and/or Bennett plus a few first rounders. It's the same deal proposed now but at least you know, and it will be the best offer Minnesota gets by a mile.

Maybe, maybe not. Agreed there are few teams that could beat that offer, but just takes one. If Chicago decides to throw a Gibson/Mirotic/#1 pick at Minny, I'd probably take that instead. At least it would be comparable.

I get the sense that many haven't seen enough of Kevin Love. Saw somebody on a basketball forum say he was "basically David Lee" the other day. Just hilarious.

[eQUOTE=SNR;10754333]Have you seen Kevin Love play more than 2 or 3 games in the past 2 seasons?[/QUOTE]

Yes, he is an excellent player. He just isn't what the cavs need right now. Of course they'd benefit from some rebounding and a stretch four. But he isn't a rim protector or a defender.

The cavs have a ton of shooters right now. None of them but LeBron play defense assuming you trade Wiggins. They are below average in the post. we are talking about love against Wiggins, probably Bennett, a couple of first round picks, and ten million against an already stretched cap. That is a massive, massive haul.

Love is a better shooter/scorer, better rebounder and better passer. Besides that, they're identical.

That is assuming love agrees to an extension. If he doesn't, I guarantee those deals get take off the table. And can't help but feel the cold market has a lot do with love being very selective.

Probably where the "he's just focused on putting up big stats" concept has come from. Guess it's easy to compile a 27 PER if you just stat whore on an underachieving team.

It's the nature of the NCAA tournament, but I find people put too much meaning into that one game. Wiggins more than showed his potential as a primary option in other games throughout the season. I don't know if/when he'll reach it, but it's there. Getting out of Self's rather restrictive offense should also help his development.

There was once a time when people said Garnett wasn't a winning player either because his bad TWolves team lost like 8 first rounds in a row. It's silly. Kevin Love isn't as good as prime KG obviously, but he's an incredible talent that many don't get to see very often. One of the best players in the league for sure.

No, they have players whose best offensive skill trait is shooting. But they're hardly consistent or good shooters.

I can see a situation forming in the playoffs in the event that the Cavs stay away from Love. Lebron's doing his best to run the offense by himself because everybody freezes up and can't find their own dicks, much less the ****ing basketball hoop. It happened to Lebron when Moe Williams went cold and Delonte West would go cold. There was nothing that could be done.

Kyrie is still getting better as a shooter and might be that guy. But contrary to what RustShack says, the Cavs don't have anybody else who's a consistent shooter. Dion Waiters is still unproven as ****. They have nobody else but Lebron and maybe Irving and a small chance that Waiters could do it.

I mean, what the **** is Kevin Love supposed to do when your coach is the biggest lunkhead ever to be offered a head coaching job in Kurt ****ing Rambis, and the 2nd best offensive threat on your team is a rotation of Luke Ridnour, Michael Beasley, and Anthony Randolph? Not score with the basketball? Is he supposed to trust Darko Milicic to get those putbacks?

He was probably a stat whore because until Nikola Pekovic started finding his stride, that's all he ****ing had was himself.

Statistically Kyrie has gotten a little worse as a shooter each year in the league. The best you can say of Waiters is he was solid enough the second half of the season in general and shooting percentages and hope that continues. The hope would also be that with Lebron there his attitude would improve and help his game but early news makes him sound as bitchy as usual.

Kylie can shoot. Don't let Mike Browns offense fool you. Waiters has improved significantly as an outside shooter. LeBron is a solid shooter. And you have James Jones and Mike Miller any time you need a shooter. Even though many dismiss Bennett, they don't know what they have in him. But he also offers ability to be a stretch four. He was a solid three point shooter in college.

Keep in mind these guys have had to create their own shots last year in Mike Browns ridiculous offense. They will have opportunities to be pick and pop shooters on open looks.

Now let's do this exercise for who can defend the paint. Varejao who hasn't played fifty games in umpteen years. Tristan Thompson who is a good paint defender at power forward and very average at Center. Haywood maybe as a one year rental.

Especially since Lee's mid range went completely away.

So they need Andrew Wiggins?

That doesn't make any sense at all.