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DaFace 02-22-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ShiftyEyedWaterboy (Post 12752715)
Awesome. Thanks for posting that. Unless I'm a dumbass I can't rep yet, or I would.

I don't THINK n00bs are restricted with regard to giving rep (it's the little red pill looking icon on a post), but regardless, you've got full privs now.

GloryDayz 02-22-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12752538)
Crazy. I'd feel a lot better about humanity if we could just wander over to another nearby planet and make ourselves at home.

It would be awesome.

ThaVirus 02-22-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12752654)
They didn't talk a lot about it, and I can't find any further info yet.

They did touch a bit on the general challenges of harboring life in the system. Despite the abundance of planets in the G zone, most scientists are still doubtful of life as we know it being there. The fact that it's a Red Dwarf system presents problems in itself. They are smaller and fainter. Which makes the planets orbit much much closer. That tidally locks the planets, creating planets where half receives constant sunlight, and the other is in perpetual darkness. Being that much closer to the star also makes the planets more susceptible to solar flares and radiation. Red Dwarfs are usually very active when they're young. Lots of radiation. Computer simulations show that this type of system likely destroys the atmospheres of the planets, which bakes the light side and freezes the dark side of the planet.

But still.... Jeff Goldblum quotes and stuff....

"That is one big pile of shit"?

So I was watching the video on another site and one of the comments with a fair amount of up votes declared that this is fake because "when they find stuff like this they never include photos". Someone in this thread earlier mentioned the system being 39-40 light years away.

So, I'm assuming we don't have pictures because either it's too far and we can't actually see the planets or they'd just look like little bright dots in a black back drop. Is that correct? Also, the woman in the video mentioned that she couldn't believe the find but that "the data was all there". So maybe we don't even actually see the planets but can tell they're there through other means, like gravity in the area perhaps?

DaFace 02-22-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12752804)
"That is one big pile of shit"?

So I was watching the video on another site and one of the comments with a fair amount of up votes declared that this is fake because "when they find stuff like this they never include photos". Someone in this thread earlier mentioned the system being 39-40 light years away.

So, I'm assuming we don't have pictures because either it's too far and we can't actually see the planets or they'd just look like little bright dots in a black back drop. Is that correct? Also, the woman in the video mentioned that she couldn't believe the find but that "the data was all there". So maybe we don't even actually see the planets but can tell they're there through other means, like gravity in the area perhaps?

We don't have telescopes anywhere near good enough to get a picture of one of these planets. See the recent flyby of Pluto to give you an idea of how grainy our Earth-bound telescopes even for a planet that's in our own neighborhood.

The way they find this stuff is by measuring the light that a star puts off and looking for periods when the light dims from that star (when a planet crosses in front of it). By measuring the magnitude of the dimming and the frequency at which the light dims in the same way, they can get a feel for how big the planet is that caused it and how long its orbit is.

Taking it a step further, different compounds cause the light to dim in different ways. That's where the JWST comes in. It should be able to give us an idea of what compounds are present in the atmosphere of these planets. Mostly, we're looking for oxygen. If we find oxygen, it's highly likely that there is at least SOME form of life there.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-22-2017 06:06 PM

Breaking news: NASA has made contact with one of the planets and they're bitching something about not winning a Superbowl in like 50 years.

Edit, Nevermind. NASA had logged on to ChiefsPlanet. Dumbasses !

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 02-22-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12752809)
We don't have telescopes anywhere near good enough to get a picture of one of these planets. See the recent flyby of Pluto to give you an idea of how grainy our Earth-bound telescopes even for a planet that's in our own neighborhood.

The way they find this stuff is by measuring the light that a star puts off and looking for periods when the light dims from that star (when a planet crosses in front of it). By measuring the magnitude of the dimming and the frequency at which the light dims in the same way, they can get a feel for how big the planet is that caused it and how long its orbit is.

Taking it a step further, different compounds cause the light to dim in different ways. That's where the JWST comes in. It should be able to give us an idea of what compounds are present in the atmosphere of these planets. Mostly, we're looking for oxygen. If we find oxygen, it's highly likely that there is at least SOME form of life there.

Yep. Crazy what they can tell from light curves. I studied the Kepler/K2 mission quite a bit in one of my aerospace courses.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-22-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12752809)
We don't have telescopes anywhere near good enough to get a picture of one of these planets. See the recent flyby of Pluto to give you an idea of how grainy our Earth-bound telescopes even for a planet that's in our own neighborhood.

The way they find this stuff is by measuring the light that a star puts off and looking for periods when the light dims from that star (when a planet crosses in front of it). By measuring the magnitude of the dimming and the frequency at which the light dims in the same way, they can get a feel for how big the planet is that caused it and how long its orbit is.

Taking it a step further, different compounds cause the light to dim in different ways. That's where the JWST comes in. It should be able to give us an idea of what compounds are present in the atmosphere of these planets. Mostly, we're looking for oxygen. If we find oxygen, it's highly likely that there is at least SOME form of life there.

Wouldn't it be weird if we discovered one of these life planets and found they were completely populated with ISIS terrorists.

GloryDayz 02-22-2017 06:47 PM

We need to put a woman on the moon to be the first.. We need to do it, and we need to do it fast.

hometeam 02-22-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12752882)
We need to put a woman on the moon to be the first.. We need to do it, and we need to do it fast.



Why?

BigCatDaddy 02-22-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12752882)
We need to put a woman on the moon to be the first.. We need to do it, and we need to do it fast.

I'm all for dropping off Hilldog.

Hog's Gone Fishin 02-22-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12752913)
I'm all for dropping off Hilldog.

****ing Bingo !

GloryDayz 02-22-2017 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 12752906)
Why?

#1 Politics. #2 why not?

Rain Man 02-22-2017 09:08 PM

If two of those planets happened to develop intelligent life at the same time, how would the discovery process have gone? Here on earth we developed telescopes a few hundred years before radio, but telescopes likely wouldn't have led to the discovery, right? Could you see signs of life on other planets?

And then once they figured out that the other world was happening, what happens? We invented radio not too long before flight and less than a century before space flight. So I presume they would've figured out how to communicate before they could get any kind of physical contact. I think that would've been a good thing.

And then presuming that one of them is a bit ahead of the other in space flight, would they share information and work together to meet? It seems like it's in the best interest of the more advanced one to not share the information and to get access to the other world. Or is that too selfish? Would you want free exchange of beings and good like it's NAFTA?

Fish 02-22-2017 09:11 PM

A bunch of new telescopes being unleashed soon are going to change a lot. There's a really exciting push for new telescopes over the next 30 years or so. It'll be like the jump in clarity of Hubble's initial images that wowed everyone. Who knows what they will discover.

If you want to check it out, take a look at the following links. These telescopes have huge potential...

James Webb Space Telescope: https://jwst.nasa.gov/

The Thirty Meter Telescope, aka "TMT! Dinomyte! I'm TMT!...": http://www.tmt.org/

The Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite: https://tess.gsfc.nasa.gov/

The Giant Magellan Telescope: https://www.gmto.org/

The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope: https://www.lsst.org/

The Advanced Technology Large Aperture Space Telescope (ATLAST): http://www.stsci.edu/atlast

Mr. Plow 02-23-2017 09:57 AM

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Fish 02-23-2017 10:10 AM

And that's why Janet will be the first to die in the future robot uprising...

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ptlyon 02-23-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12752913)
I'm all for dropping off Hilldog.

I'll start developing the catapult now

Mr. Plow 03-02-2017 09:25 AM

Butterfly Nebula taken by Hubble

http://i.imgur.com/k0L6ZRE.jpg

ptlyon 03-02-2017 09:33 AM

Looks more like a tarantula

stumppy 03-02-2017 09:53 AM

Looks like taint.

Fish 03-02-2017 10:12 AM

http://i.imgur.com/xYBDeNQ.jpg

Nickhead 03-02-2017 04:12 PM

not the most glamorous of science, but what the **** is going on here?

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Easy 6 03-02-2017 04:22 PM

Sooo... has there been ANY news about the probe we sent into Jupiters atmosphere?

I was excited to hear about the amazing things they were expecting to find, like metals that simultaneously exist as a gas etc etc etc

ps - the turkeys circling the dead cat is... weird AF

Fish 03-02-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12765402)
Sooo... has there been ANY news about the probe we sent into Jupiters atmosphere?

I was excited to hear about the amazing things they were expecting to find, like metals that simultaneously exist as a gas etc etc etc

ps - the turkeys circling the dead cat is... weird AF

It had an issue with it's helium reservoir. Which scared NASA into forcing it into an orbit much much further out than what they had anticipated. But fortunately, they planned for such a possible failure, and had a bunch of "backup" experiments they could run instead of the ones they'd planned for the shorter orbit.

I'll post some additional info when I have some time..

http://i.imgur.com/5dOTJ9R.jpg

Easy 6 03-02-2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12765460)
It had an issue with it's helium reservoir. Which scared NASA into forcing it into an orbit much much further out than what they had anticipated. But fortunately, they planned for such a possible failure, and had a bunch of "backup" experiments they could run instead of the ones they'd planned for the shorter orbit.

I'll post some additional info when I have some time..

http://i.imgur.com/5dOTJ9R.jpg

I would appreciate that

But by "helium reservoir", they probably meant "the monolith"...

Fish 03-02-2017 08:12 PM

Juno porn....

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Juno to remain in current orbit at Jupiter
February 19, 2017

NASA's Juno mission to Jupiter, which has been in orbit around the gas giant since July 4, 2016, will remain in its current 53-day orbit for the remainder of the mission. This will allow Juno to accomplish its science goals, while avoiding the risk of a previously-planned engine firing that would have reduced the spacecraft's orbital period to 14 days.

"Juno is healthy, its science instruments are fully operational, and the data and images we've received are nothing short of amazing," said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. "The decision to forego the burn is the right thing to do—preserving a valuable asset so that Juno can continue its exciting journey of discovery."

Juno has successfully orbited Jupiter four times since arriving at the giant planet, with the most recent orbit completed on Feb. 2. Its next close flyby of Jupiter will be March 27.

The orbital period does not affect the quality of the science collected by Juno on each flyby, since the altitude over Jupiter will be the same at the time of closest approach. In fact, the longer orbit provides new opportunities that allow further exploration of the far reaches of space dominated by Jupiter's magnetic field, increasing the value of Juno's research.

During each orbit, Juno soars low over Jupiter's cloud tops—as close as about 2,600 miles (4,100 kilometers). During these flybys, Juno probes beneath the obscuring cloud cover and studies Jupiter's auroras to learn more about the planet's origins, structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere.

The original Juno flight plan envisioned the spacecraft looping around Jupiter twice in 53-day orbits, then reducing its orbital period to 14 days for the remainder of the mission. However, two helium check valves that are part of the plumbing for the spacecraft's main engine did not operate as expected when the propulsion system was pressurized in October. Telemetry from the spacecraft indicated that it took several minutes for the valves to open, while it took only a few seconds during past main engine firings.

"During a thorough review, we looked at multiple scenarios that would place Juno in a shorter-period orbit, but there was concern that another main engine burn could result in a less-than-desirable orbit," said Rick Nybakken, Juno project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "The bottom line is a burn represented a risk to completion of Juno's science objectives."

Juno's larger 53-day orbit allows for "bonus science" that wasn't part of the original mission design.
Juno will further explore the far reaches of the Jovian magnetosphere—the region of space dominated by Jupiter's magnetic field—including the far magnetotail, the southern magnetosphere, and the magnetospheric boundary region called the magnetopause. Understanding magnetospheres and how they interact with the solar wind are key science goals of NASA's Heliophysics Science Division.

"Another key advantage of the longer orbit is that Juno will spend less time within the strong radiation belts on each orbit," said Scott Bolton, Juno principal investigator from Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio. "This is significant because radiation has been the main life-limiting factor for Juno."

Juno will continue to operate within the current budget plan through July 2018, for a total of 12 science orbits. The team can then propose to extend the mission during the next science review cycle. The review process evaluates proposed mission extensions on the merit and value of previous and anticipated science returns.

The Juno science team continues to analyze returns from previous flybys. Revelations include that Jupiter's magnetic fields and aurora are bigger and more powerful than originally thought and that the belts and zones that give the gas giant's cloud top its distinctive look extend deep into the planet's interior. Peer-reviewed papers with more in-depth science results from Juno's first three flybys are expected to be published within the next few months. In addition, the mission's JunoCam—the first interplanetary outreach camera—is now being guided with assistance from the public. People can participate by voting on which features on Jupiter should be imaged during each flyby.

"Juno is providing spectacular results, and we are rewriting our ideas of how giant planets work," said Bolton. "The science will be just as spectacular as with our original plan."


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-02-juno-c...piter.html#jCp

Fish 03-02-2017 08:16 PM

The rise and fall of the ISS... in orbit, the station is constantly falling toward the earth. If not for the routine correction boosters, it would fall into the atmosphere and burn up. Fun thought for the astronauts aboard I'm sure...

http://i.imgur.com/g8lgA04.png

This plot shows the orbital height of the ISS over the last year. Clearly visible are the re-boosts which suddenly increase the height, and the gradual decay in between. The height is averaged over one orbit, and the gradual decrease is caused by atmospheric drag. As can be seen from the plot, the rate of descent is not constant and this variation is caused by changes in the density of the tenuous outer atmosphere due mainly to solar activity.

http://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx

Easy 6 03-02-2017 08:20 PM

Great pics, Fish... I wish that probe could hop on over to Europa

Fish 03-02-2017 08:24 PM

So, the recent TRAPPIST-1 planet discovery? This is actually what we saw from Earth. Not to discredit the discovery or anything. There's an incredible amount behind the scenes and it's infinitely more complex than just a pic. But this is how they tracked the planet and determined their orbit and size.

http://i.imgur.com/aCPJAQQ.jpg

That said, once the JWST get in the air, holy shit there's going to be another huge jump in clarity, distance, light pollution prevention, etc.

Fish 03-02-2017 08:36 PM

Future refrigerators might have a new light on at all times.... maybe..

How To Kill Bacteria With Visible Light In The Refrigerator

Pest control and microbial disinfection protocols often utilize ultraviolet (UV) light. The reason is because UV light is extremely damaging to cells. Not only does it trigger the production of toxic compounds (such as reactive oxygen species), but it also causes weird structural changes in DNA (known as thymine dimers). The results are fatal.

UV light, however, is also dangerous to humans. So there is widespread interest in discovering light sources that can kill unwanted organisms while leaving humans unscathed. Farmers may be able to take advantage of the fact that fruit fly pupae are killed by blue light (wavelength = 467 nm), while public health officials should note that one species of mosquito is susceptible to violet light (wavelength = 417 nm).

These aren't the only "bugs" vulnerable to deadly visible light. Now, scientists from Singapore report in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology how violet light (wavelength = 405 nm) kills Salmonella in the refrigerator.

Causing about one million cases, Salmonella is the second most common source of domestically acquired foodborne illness in America, according to numbers from the CDC. Resulting in nearly 20,000 hospitalizations and roughly 400 deaths every year, the reduction of Salmonella in our food supply would save both lives and healthcare costs*.

From a distance of 4.5 cm (1.8 in.), the researchers shined violet LED bulbs on 18 different strains of Salmonella growing on Petri plates. As shown in the image on the right, some were nearly wiped out, while other strains managed to survive well enough. All of them, however, grew much less than they did when no violet light was shined on them.

The team then selected the single most light-sensitive and single most light-resistant strains for further analysis. Their experiments revealed that both strains were extensively injured by the 405 nm light. DNA was damaged, efflux pumps were inhibited, and glucose uptake was reduced. So why was one strain likelier to survive such an assault, while the other one died?

Subsequent analysis indicated that the cold temperature of the refrigerator and/or starvation conditions activated genes that help the hardier bacterium survive during times of stress; the frail bacterium didn't activate all of these genes. Essentially, inherent genetic differences may explain why some strains of Salmonella survive what other strains would find to be a lethal dose of violet light.

The team says that previous research it conducted showed that visible light of 405 nm (violet) and 460 nm (blue) can also kill Bacillus cereus, E. coli O157:H7, Listeria monocytogenes, Shigella sonnei, and Staphylococcus aureus, all of which cause food poisoning.

The present study has a few limitations. First, the researchers didn't examine how 405 nm light would work against Salmonella present in food samples, such as chicken. Second, they didn't determine how many light bulbs would need to be in a refrigerator in order to substantially reduce Salmonella contamination.


Still, if meat processing equipment and home refrigerators came equipped with little blue and violet lights, perhaps fewer of us would end up sick or in the hospital.

*Note: Worldwide, the numbers are much worse: Salmonella is blamed for 94 million infections and 155,000 deaths.

Fish 03-02-2017 08:43 PM

Computers are stubbornly dominating our most traditional games.

http://i.imgur.com/72JfyF5.jpg

AI’s defeat of pro poker players a ‘paradigm shift’, say scientists

In a feat reminiscent of the controversial victory by supercomputer ‘Deep Blue’ over world chess champion Garry Kasparov, a computer program has managed to beat a string of professional poker players at the game.

DeepStack, as it was called, defeated 10 out of 11 players who took part in a total of 3,000 games as part of a scientific study into artificial intelligence.


The 11th player also lost, but by a margin that the researchers decided was not large enough to be statistically significant.

This is not the first time a computer has won at poker. Libratus, a program developed by Carnegie Mellon University academics, won $1.76m (£1.4m) from professionals in January, for example.

But the researchers said DeepStack's performance represented a "paradigm shift" in AI that could have implications for the defence industry and medicine.

One player who took on the algorithm, Irish professional Dara O’Kearney, said it felt like he had been playing a human who was “a bit better than me, but not massively better”.

He warned there was already “a lot of evidence” that bots were winning money from human players in online poker games.

Writing in the journal Science, the researchers, from Alberta University in Canada, said: “Artificial intelligence has seen several breakthroughs in recent years, with games often serving as milestones.

“A common feature of these games is that players have perfect information. Poker is the quintessential game of imperfect information, and a longstanding challenge problem in artificial intelligence.

“In a study involving 44,000 hands of poker, DeepStack defeated with statistical significance professional poker players in heads-up, no-limit Texas hold’em.”

This type of poker involves just two players, the computer and the human in this case.

The researchers said DeepStack had been able to win despite being given no training from expert human games.

“The implications go beyond being a milestone for artificial intelligence,” the Science paper said.


“DeepStack represents a paradigm shift in approximating solutions to large, sequential imperfect information games.

“With many real world problems involving information asymmetry, DeepStack also has implications for seeing powerful AI applied more in settings that do not fit the perfect information assumption.

“The abstraction paradigm for handling imperfect information has shown promise in applications like defending strategic resources and robust decision making as needed for medical treatment recommendations.

“DeepStack’s continual re-solving paradigm will hopefully open up many more possibilities.”

Dara O'Kearney, an Irish poker professional who completed 456 hands, told The Independent that DeepStack played in a style similar to one used by some human players, based on game theory.

“I would say there wasn’t a massive difference. If I hadn’t been told it was a computer, there was nothing it was doing that would have tipped me off that it was a computer,” he said.

“I felt I did pretty much okay, but … I did feel the computer was a bit better than me, but not massively better.

“Heads up, no limits poker is not my speciality. It’s possible a human who specialises in that might do better.”

Fish 03-02-2017 08:46 PM

Wait, what? Paradox what?

Quantum entanglement between a single photon and a trillion of atoms

New light is shed on the famous paradox of Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen after 80 years. A group of researchers from the Faculty of Physics at the University of Warsaw has created a multidimensional entangled state of a single photon and a trillion of hot rubidium atoms. This hybrid entanglement has been stored in the laboratory for several microseconds. The research has been published in the prestigious Optica journal.

In their famous Physical Review article published in 1935, A. Einstein, B. Podolsky and N. Rosen have considered a decay of a particle into two products. In their thought-experiment, two products of decay were projected in exactly opposite directions, or more scientifically speaking their momenta were anti-correlated. It would not be a mystery within the framework of classical physics, however when applying the rules of the Quantum theory, the three researchers quickly arrived at a paradox. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle, dictating that position and momentum of a particle cannot be measured at the same time within arbitrary precision, lies at the center of this paradox. In Einstein's thought-experiment one can measure momentum of one particle and immediately know momentum of the other without measurement, as it is exactly opposite. Then, one only needs to measure position of this second particle and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle seems to be violated, which seriously baffled the three physicists.

Only today we know that this experiment is not, in fact, a paradox. The mistake of Einstein and co-workers was to use one-particle uncertainty principle to a system of two particles. If we treat these two particles as described by a single quantum state, we learn that the original uncertainty principle ceases to apply, especially if these particles are entangled.

In the Quantum Memories Laboratory at the University of Warsaw, the group of three physicists was first to create such an entangled state consisting of a macroscopic object - a group of about one trillion atoms, and a single photon - a particle of light. "Single photons, scattered during the interaction of a laser beam with atoms, are registered on a sensitive camera. A single registered photon carries information about the quantum state of the entire group of atoms. The atoms may be stored, and their state may be retrieved on demand." - says Michal Dabrowski, PhD student and co-author of the article.

The results of the experiment confirm that the atoms and the single photon are in a joint, entangled state. By measuring position and momentum of the photon, we gain all information about the state of atoms. To confirm this, polish scientists convert the atomic state into another photon, which again is measured using the state-of-the-art camera developed in the Quantum Memories Laboratory. "We demonstrate the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen apparent paradox in a very similar version as originally proposed in 1935, however we extend the experiment by adding storage of light within the large group of atoms. Atoms store the photon in a form of a wave made of atomic spins, containing one trillion atoms. Such a state is very robust against loss of a single atoms, as information is spread across so many particles." - says Michal Parniak, PhD student taking part in the study.

The experiment performed by the group from the University of Warsaw is unique in one other way as well. The quantum memory storing the entangled state, created thanks to "PRELUDIUM" grant from the Poland's National Science Centre and "Diamentowy Grant" from the Polish Ministry of Science and Higher Education, allows for storage of up to 12 photons at once. This enhanced capacity is promising in terms of applications in quantum information processing. "The multidimensional entanglement is stored in our device for several microseconds, which is roughly a thousand times longer than in any previous experiments, and at the same time long enough to perform subtle quantum operations on the atomic state during storage" - explains Dr. Wojciech Wasilewski, group leader of the Quantum Memories Laboratory team.

The entanglement in the real and momentum space, described in the Optica article, can be used jointly with other well-known degrees of freedom such as polarization, allowing generation of so-called hyper-entanglement. Such elaborate ideas constitute new and original test of the fundamentals of quantum mechanics - a theory that is unceasingly mysterious yet brings immense technological progress.

RippedmyFlesh 03-02-2017 08:49 PM

To me a computer would have an advantage in poker. They cant be bluffed at all.

Fish 03-02-2017 08:55 PM

Wow. Crazy potential, along with crazy ethical questions....

Artificial human life could soon be grown in lab after embryo breakthrough

Artificial human life could soon be grown from scratch in the lab, after scientists successfully created a mammal embryo using only stem cells.

Cambridge University mixed two kinds of mouse stem cells and placed them on a 3D scaffold. After four days of growth in a tank of chemicals designed to mimic conditions inside the womb, the cells formed the structure of a living mouse embryo.

The breakthrough has been described as a ‘masterpiece’ in bioengineering, which could eventually allow scientists to grow artificial human embryos in the lab without the need for a sperm or an egg.

Growing embryos would help researchers to study the very early stages of human life so they could understand why so many pregnancies fail, but is likely to prove controversial and raise ethical questions about what constitutes human life.

Currently scientists can carry out experiments on leftover embryos from IVF treatments, but they are in short supply and must be destroyed after 14 days. Scientists say that being able to create unlimited numbers of artificial embryos in the lab could speed up research while potentially removing some of the ethical boundaries.

“We think that it will be possible to mimic a lot of the developmental events occurring before 14 days using human stem cells using a similar approach to our technique using mouse stem cells," said Professor Magdalena Zernicka-Goetz from the Department of Physiology, Development and Neuroscience at Cambridge, who led the research.

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"We are very optimistic that this will allow us to study key events of this critical stage of human development without actually having to work on (IVF) embryos. Knowing how development normally occurs will allow us to understand why it so often goes wrong."

The embryos were created using genetically engineered stem cells coupled with extra-embryonic trophoblast stem cells (TSCs) which form the placenta in a normal pregnancy.

Previous attempts to grow embryos using only one kind of stem cell proved unsuccessful because the cells would not assemble into their correct positions.

But scientists discovered that when they added the second ‘placental’ stem cells, they two types began to talk to each other, effectively telling each other where to go.

Together they eventually melded together to form an embryonic structure, with two distinct clusters of cells at each end, and a cavity in the middle in which the embryo would continue to develop. The embryo would not grow into a mouse because it lacks the stem cells which make a yolk sack.

Britain is currently leading the world in fertility research, and last year a group at the Francis Crick Institute was granted permission to genetically modify human embryos, the first time in the world such a procedure had been approved by regulators.

However such work raises important ethical questions about the sanctity of human life and whether it should be manipulated or created in the lab at all.

Critics warn that allowing embryos to be grown for science opens the door to designer babies and genetically modified humans.

Dr David King, director of the watchdog group, Human Genetics Alert, said: "What concerns me about the possibility of artificial embryos is that this may become a route to creating GM or even cloned babies.

"Until there is an enforceable global ban on those possibilities, as we saw with mitochondrial transfer, this kind of research risks doing the scientific groundwork for entrepreneurs, who will use the technologies in countries with no regulation."

The scientists would need to seek permission from the Human Fertility and Embryology Authority (HFEA), before attempting to create human embryos using the technique, and experts called for 'international dialogue' before going ahead.


Prof James Adjaye, Chair of Stem Cell Research and Regenerative Medicine, Heinrich Heine University, in Germany, said: “A regulatory body will ultimately decide on whether human stem cell embryos can be generated and for how long they can be left in the petri dish to develop further.

“Of course, there should be an international dialogue on the regulation of such experiments.”

But the study was welcomed by the scientific community who said it was a significant breakthrough.

Dr Dusko Ilic, Reader in Stem Cell Science, King’s College London, said the research was ‘masterpiece’ in creating the earliest steps of life in a lab.

“This report is significant. The group from Cambridge is actually making the embryos de novo, using two different cell types, mixing them in a specific ratio and letting them to assemble together the embryo. This is science at its best.”

The research was published in the journal Science and was funded by the Wellcome Trust and the European Research Council.

Fish 03-03-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 12765377)
not the most glamorous of science, but what the **** is going on here?

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Turkeys are really dumb. I agree with the explanation below. They were likely just following each other single file, and ended up in a circle of stupid after the leader checked out the cat and then started following the turkey in front of it.

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Boston Magazine called "Massachusetts' foremost turkey expert," who said it was possible that the birds were trailing behind one animal who set out to investigate the corpse, and then wound up — follow-the-leader style — in a perfect circle.

Biologist Alan Krakauer, an expert on the behavioral ecology of birds, offers an explanation that ascribes a little more intention to the birds. He tells NPR it's "most likely ... predator inspection behavior."

He explains that turkeys, when faced with an animal that might eat them, sometimes follow the risky route of actually approaching the predator. It can help signal to other turkeys in the area that there's a threat, or help the turkeys evaluate how big of a danger the predator is.

"Or it could let the predator know the prey are aware of its presence, which might encourage the predator to move elsewhere to seek an easier meal," he says — "a lot like a group of small songbirds mobbing a hawk or owl they have discovered."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...ntent=20170302

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-03-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12766465)
Turkeys are really dumb. I agree with the explanation below. They were likely just following each other single file, and ended up in a circle of stupid after the leader checked out the cat and then started following the turkey in front of it.

It's funny you mention that. They have an animal expert from the Miami Zoo on the Dan Le Batard Show every week and he takes callers. Someone called about this, and he talked about how intelligent turkeys were, and said this was likely predator inspection, similar to what antelopes/gazelle will do on the African plains.

Buehler445 03-04-2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12767318)
It's funny you mention that. They have an animal expert from the Miami Zoo on the Dan Le Batard Show every week and he takes callers. Someone called about this, and he talked about how intelligent turkeys were, and said this was likely predator inspection, similar to what antelopes/gazelle will do on the African plains.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but turkeys are stupid. Grandpa always told me he had some turkeys when he was younger and they always had to lock them in the coup if it was going to rain because they'd stare up at the lightning and drown...

Mom and Dad had some turkeys move in at the farm after I went to college and they were pretty stupid. There was nothing coordinated about predator identification or evasion. It was pretty much "Panic and run" (Sorry. My daughter watches Lion Guard.)

I really enjoy the Ron McGill segment, and he may very well be correct, but in my experience, turkeys are epic dumb.

Baby Lee 03-04-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12766465)
Turkeys are really dumb. I agree with the explanation below. They were likely just following each other single file, and ended up in a circle of stupid after the leader checked out the cat and then started following the turkey in front of it.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12767318)
It's funny you mention that. They have an animal expert from the Miami Zoo on the Dan Le Batard Show every week and he takes callers. Someone called about this, and he talked about how intelligent turkeys were, and said this was likely predator inspection, similar to what antelopes/gazelle will do on the African plains.

Ya think?

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Originally Posted by Later in Fish's post
Biologist Alan Krakauer, an expert on the behavioral ecology of birds, offers an explanation that ascribes a little more intention to the birds. He tells NPR it's "most likely ... predator inspection behavior."


'Hamas' Jenkins 03-04-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12768067)
Ya think?

Sorry for the temerity of offering additional examples from an expert.

eDave 03-17-2017 12:53 AM

You can now watch these declassified nuclear test movies on YouTube

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/15/14...movies-youtube

This is still the best though:

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Nickhead 03-17-2017 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12786804)
You can now watch these declassified nuclear test movies on YouTube

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/15/14...movies-youtube

This is still the best though:

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i disagree :D

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Baby Lee 03-17-2017 08:40 AM

Great idea for the setting/situation.

A microprocessor expanded and annotated visually for a museum so visitors can observe each and every discrete operation, and even slow it down or stop it for more detailed inspection.

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Fish 03-19-2017 11:05 PM

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Fish 03-19-2017 11:08 PM

First results of CRISPR gene editing of normal embryos released

By Michael Le Page

A team in China has corrected genetic mutations in at least some of the cells in three normal human embryos using the CRISPR genome editing technique. The latest study is the first to describe the results of using CRISPR in viable human embryos, New Scientist can reveal.

While this study – which attempted to repair the DNA of six embryos in total – was very small, the results suggest CRISPR works much better in normal embryos than it did in previous tests on abnormal embryos that could not develop into children.

“It is encouraging,” says Robin Lovell-Badge of the Francis Crick Institute in London, who has contributed to several major reports on human genome editing. The numbers are far too low to make strong conclusions though, he cautions.

The CRISPR gene editing technique is a very efficient way of disabling genes, by introducing small mutations that disrupt the code of a DNA sequence. CRISPR can also be used to repair genes, but this is much more difficult.

Until now, results have only been published from experiments in which the CRISPR technique was used in abnormal embryos, made when two sperm fertilise the same egg. The idea behind this work was that it was more ethical to test the technique on embryos that could never fully develop.

In the first attempt to fix genes in human embryos, fewer than 1 in 10 cells were successfully repaired – an efficiency rate that is too low to make the method practical. A second study published in 2016 also had a low rate of efficiency. However, because these embryos were very genetically abnormal, these experiments may not have given an accurate indication of how well the technique would work in healthier embryos.

The Chinese team behind the latest study, at the Third Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University, first carried out experiments with abnormal embryos, and found the repair rate was very low. But they had more success when they tried to repair mutations in normal embryos derived from immature eggs donated by people undergoing IVF.

Genetic disease
Immature eggs like these are usually discarded by IVF clinics, as the success rate is much lower than with mature eggs. However, children have been born from such immature eggs.

Jianqiao Liu and his team matured donated immature eggs, and fertilised each by injecting sperm from one of two men with a hereditary disease. They then injected the CRISPR machinery into these single-cell embryos before they started dividing.

The first sperm donor had a mutation called G1376T in the gene for the G6PD enzyme. This is a common cause of favism in China, a disorder in which eating certain foods such as fava beans can trigger the destruction of red blood cells.

In two of the resulting embryos, the G1376T mutation was corrected. But in one of the embryos, not all the cells were corrected. CRISPR turned off the G6PD gene in some of its cells rather than fixing it – making it what is known as a “mosaic”.

The second sperm donor had a mutation called beta41-42, which is one of the causes of the blood disease beta-thalassemia. Four of the resulting embryos carried the mutation. In one, CRISPR induced another mutation rather than fixing the beta41-42. In another, the mutation was successfully repaired in only some of the cells, creating another mosaic embryo. It did not work at all in the other two embryos.

In total, the mutation in one embryo was corrected in every cell, and two were corrected in some of the cells.

While firm conclusions cannot be drawn based on just six embryos, these results are encouraging as they suggest CRISPR gene repair is more efficient in normal cells. “It does look more promising than previous papers,” says Fredrik Lanner of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, whose team has begun using CRISPR to disable genes in human embryos to study embryonic development.

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Preventing mosaics
Several other groups have begun editing the genomes of normal human embryos or plan to start soon. There are rumours that another three or four studies on the use of CRISPR in human embryos have been completed but not yet published. It isn’t clear why this is the case, but the controversy surrounding the area may have made both researchers and journals wary.

The results so far, however, show the technology is far from the point where it could be safely used for editing embryos.

To make it safer to use gene editing to prevent children inheriting disease-causing mutations, researchers will need to find a way to prevent mosaicism. Edited embryos would always be tested before being implanted in a woman, but if they are mosaics such tests cannot guarantee the resulting child will be disease-free.

“This would need to be solved before the methods could be used clinically to correct a disease,” says Lovell-Badge. Progress is already being made: at least two teams have already found ways of reducing the risk of mosaicism in animals.

Mosaicism could also be avoided by editing the genomes of sperm and eggs prior to IVF, rather than embryos. This is expected to become possible in people in the next few years.

There are also a few diseases where mosaicism might not matter, Lovell-Badge points out, such as metabolic liver diseases where only 20 per cent function is enough to keep people healthy.

However, a major report on gene editing by the US National Academy of Sciences recently concluded that trials of germline gene editing should be allowed only if they meet a number of criteria – the first being “the absence of reasonable alternatives”.

Yet almost all inherited diseases can already be prevented by existing forms of screening, such as testing IVF embryos and implanting only disease-free ones. There are only a small number of cases where this method – called preimplantation genetic diagnosis – will not work because none of a couple’s embryos will be disease-free.

Fish 03-19-2017 11:11 PM

Life expectancy forecast to exceed 90 years in coming decades

Life expectancy will soon exceed 90 years for the first time, scientists have predicted, overturning all the assumptions about human longevity that prevailed at the beginning of the 20th century.

Women born in South Korea in 2030 are forecast to have a life expectancy of 90, a study has found. But other developed countries are not far behind, raising serious questions about the health and social care that will be needed by large numbers of the population living through their 80s.

The findings are from an international team of scientists funded by the UK Medical Research Council and the US Environmental Protection Agency, and come with caveats. It is impossible to accurately forecast the natural disasters, disease outbreaks or climate changes that may take a toll of lives around the world.

But the study in the Lancet medical journal shows a significant rise in life expectancy in most of the 35 developed countries studied. A notable exception is the US, where a combination of obesity, deaths of mothers and babies at birth, homicides and lack of equal access to healthcare is predicted to cause life expectancy to rise more slowly than in most comparable countries.

Among developed nations, South Korea is likely to see the largest increase in life expectancy, with women born in 2030 averaging 90.8 years, 6.6 years longer than those born in 2010

Boys born in 2030 in the US may expect to have similar lifespans to those in the Czech Republic, the study suggests, and girls will have life expectancy similar to those in Croatia and Mexico. Life expectancy for babies born in the US in 2030 is predicted to be 83.3 in 2030 for women and 79.5 for men, a small rise from the 2010 figures of 81.2 and 76.5 respectively.

The authors point out that the US is the only country in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development without universal healthcare coverage. “Not only does the US have high and rising health inequalities, but also life expectancy has stagnated or even declined in some population subgroups,” write the authors.

[...]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ars-2020-study

ping2000 03-20-2017 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12790422)
Life expectancy forecast to exceed 90 years in coming decades

Life expectancy will soon exceed 90 years for the first time, scientists have predicted, overturning all the assumptions about human longevity that prevailed at the beginning of the 20th century.

Women born in South Korea in 2030 are forecast to have a life expectancy of 90, a study has found. But other developed countries are not far behind, raising serious questions about the health and social care that will be needed by large numbers of the population living through their 80s.

The findings are from an international team of scientists funded by the UK Medical Research Council and the US Environmental Protection Agency, and come with caveats. It is impossible to accurately forecast the natural disasters, disease outbreaks or climate changes that may take a toll of lives around the world.

But the study in the Lancet medical journal shows a significant rise in life expectancy in most of the 35 developed countries studied. A notable exception is the US, where a combination of obesity, deaths of mothers and babies at birth, homicides and lack of equal access to healthcare is predicted to cause life expectancy to rise more slowly than in most comparable countries.

Among developed nations, South Korea is likely to see the largest increase in life expectancy, with women born in 2030 averaging 90.8 years, 6.6 years longer than those born in 2010

Boys born in 2030 in the US may expect to have similar lifespans to those in the Czech Republic, the study suggests, and girls will have life expectancy similar to those in Croatia and Mexico. Life expectancy for babies born in the US in 2030 is predicted to be 83.3 in 2030 for women and 79.5 for men, a small rise from the 2010 figures of 81.2 and 76.5 respectively.

The authors point out that the US is the only country in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development without universal healthcare coverage. “Not only does the US have high and rising health inequalities, but also life expectancy has stagnated or even declined in some population subgroups,” write the authors.

[...]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ars-2020-study

Great, more old Asian lady drivers.

Chiefshrink 03-20-2017 12:27 AM

Wow ! Look at all this knowledge that God has bestowed on mankind to create all this technology !!!!

In the last days man's knowledge will increase.

Daniel 12:4

3"Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

beach tribe 03-20-2017 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12790446)
Wow ! Look at all this knowledge that God has bestowed on mankind to create all this technology !!!!

In the last days man's knowledge will increase.

Daniel 12:4

3"Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Considering the Earth's population has doubled the last 60 years, and now people are not gonna die as fast, so it's going to explode even further, I could definitely see all the terrible shit in Revelations not being too far behind.

Dartgod 03-20-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12790446)
Wow ! Look at all this knowledge that God has bestowed on mankind to create all this technology !!!!

In the last days man's knowledge will increase.

Daniel 12:4

3"Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4"But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

There is an entirely separate forum for this. I'm not personally against religion here, but if we're going to have rules about political talk, then the same should go for these types of posts.

ToxSocks 03-20-2017 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12790896)
There is an entirely separate forum for this. I'm not personally against religion here, but if we're going to have rules about political talk, then the same should go for these types of posts.

This.

stumppy 03-20-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12790896)
There is an entirely separate forum for this. I'm not personally against religion here, but if we're going to have rules about political talk, then the same should go for these types of posts.

Thank You

unlurking 03-20-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12790896)
There is an entirely separate forum for this. I'm not personally against religion here, but if we're going to have rules about political talk, then the same should go for these types of posts.

Thank you. Already on ignore, but nice to see this kind of thread derailment addressed before it happens.

Nickhead 03-21-2017 04:15 PM

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Dave Lane 03-21-2017 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 12792384)
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That's really cool thanks for posting it

Rain Man 03-21-2017 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 12792384)
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That seems like important news.

GloryDayz 03-21-2017 05:28 PM

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Wow.. Let's hope it's everything they say and more...

Chiefshrink 03-21-2017 06:16 PM

If this is the real deal,let's hope the pharmaceutical companies don't try to get it outlawed because you can't patent a naturally grown substance and this is what they do when something natural really works wonders.

Fish 03-21-2017 07:07 PM

Regarding EBC-46.... it's another potential PKC treatment. Protein Kinase C. It's not really so much a treatment as a potential attack target for treating cancer and an entire host of other ailments. It's actually been around for quite some time. But you won't find many recent EBC-46 success stories or anything. It's still completely unproven. Other PKC treatments have shown to be effective, but exhibiting fatal side-effects in humans.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756376/

Protein kinase C (PKC) has been a tantalizing target for drug discovery ever since it was first identified as the receptor for the tumor promoter phorbol ester in 1982. Although initial therapeutic efforts focused on cancer, additional diseases, including diabetic complications, heart failure, myocardial infarction, pain and bipolar disease were targeted as researchers developed a better understanding of the roles that PKC’s eight conventional and novel isozymes play in health and disease. Unfortunately, both academic and pharmaceutical efforts have yet to result in the approval of a single new drug that specifically targets PKC. Why does PKC remain an elusive drug target? This review will provide a short account of some of the efforts, challenges and opportunities in developing PKC modulators to address unmet clinical needs.
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http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...ong-way-to-go/

A recent article published in Medical Express last week touts the impressive findings of a pre-clinical study on the experimental drug EBC-46 (pictured above). In the article, they claim that EBC-46 is able to effectively destroy tumors by destroying the blood vessels that supply it with oxygen and nutrients. It is important, however, to remember that the work they are reporting on is very preliminary and has yet to be shown to be safe or effective in humans. Many promising candidate drugs fail very early on in clinical trials because of an unforeseen side-effect or because the drug simply does not work as well in humans as in animal models.

Furthermore, EBC-46 may be a novel drug, but its target is nothing new. EBC-46 targets a protein called Protein Kinase C (PKC) that, when inhibited, prevents tumor cells from making proteins that help them live. PKC has been targeted by several compounds, with one, PMA getting a phase I clinical trial (safety and efficacy in a limited group of people with cancer). Unfortunately, PMA caused severe and life-threatening side effects and the trial was stopped.

Given the questionable history of PKC inhibitors, it has yet to be seen if EBC-46 will be safe to use in humans.

Chiefshrink 03-21-2017 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12792612)
Regarding EBC-46.... it's another potential PKC treatment. Protein Kinase C. It's not really so much a treatment as a potential attack target for treating cancer and an entire host of other ailments. It's actually been around for quite some time. But you won't find many recent EBC-46 success stories or anything. It's still completely unproven. Other PKC treatments have shown to be effective, but exhibiting fatal side-effects in humans.

Ouch !!

Nickhead 03-30-2017 12:26 AM

Astronomers Are About to See a Black Hole's Event Horizon for the First Time
 
On 5 to 14 April 2017, the team behind the Event Horizon Telescope hopes to test the fundamental theories of black-hole physics by attempting to take the first ever image of a black hole's event horizon (the point at which theory predicts nothing can escape).https://cdn.theconversation.com/file...16-1eoz1nw.jpg

http://www.sciencealert.com/astronom...for-first-time

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-30-2017 12:50 AM

Protein Kinase C is an important molecule for signal transduction. An investigational compound would need to selectively target it without it affecting the numerous other cellular processes. That's likely why this is limited to solid, superficial tumors such as the one the woman with melanoma had. I wonder if it is too broad for liquid tumors (leukemias), and that's not to speak of the issues with scaling up and monitoring side effects in a patient population.

It's an interesting theory, but I'd still put much more of my anticancer money on monoclonal antibodies.

Nickhead 04-22-2017 09:19 PM

this is some wicked shit's :D
 
https://simplecapacity.com/2016/04/i...cient-secrets/

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For the first time in history, a combination of drought and overconsumption of water have pushed the river in India, the Shamala river in Karnataka to its limits, revealing under its bank secrets that have shocked the archaeological community. The receding river has revealed the presence of thousands of Shiva Lingas which were carved in the distant past along the river bed.
https://www.simplecapacity.com/wp-co...a_linga_12.jpg

this poses more questions too. like, why was this river bed so shallow so long ago, which allowed these relics to be placed.

way more in link :D

GloryDayz 04-23-2017 08:23 AM

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https://simplecapacity.com/2016/04/i...cient-secrets/



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this poses more questions too. like, why was this river bed so shallow so long ago, which allowed these relics to be placed.

way more in link :D

The water was probably sucked out of the river and to the polar caps to bolster them because they'e thinning.

Baby Lee 08-06-2017 05:57 PM

Lots of great stuff in here. Not much of it all that new, but nice to get all the inside info in one place

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displacedinMN 11-06-2017 09:40 PM

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Inside this small room — lined on all six sides with deep, fiberglass spikes — there is no background noise. No sounds from the street, the vents, the outside world. Only silence.

But in that silence, many visitors find their own bodies become quite noisy.

Sitting in this anechoic chamber, they suddenly hear their blood flow, their inner ears buzz, their artificial heart valves click.

“Oh my goodness,” says Rita Dibble, after just four minutes in the chamber alone, “I could actually hear every vertebra.

“This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.”

“Or heard,” says RickAllen Meek, a lab technician who, on this afternoon, was playing tour guide.

“Or not heard,” Dibble replies, grinning.

This room, within Orfield Laboratories Inc. in south Minneapolis, is so quiet that it measures negative 13 decibels. So quiet that Guinness World Records called it “the quietest place on Earth.” So quiet that film crews, acoustics nerds and curious kids journey here just to sit inside it.

“This is a room within a room within a room,” says Steve Orfield, 69, the lab’s longtime owner, “which is why it’s so quiet.”

The anechoic chamber — one of several testing spaces within the building — feels small: 8 by 10 by 12 feet. But surrounding that space, on all six sides, are fiberglass wedges, 3 feet deep. The chamber floats on vibration-damping springs. The outermost room is made of 12-inch-thick solid concrete.

For nearly five decades, Orfield has helped companies from 3M to Medtronic understand how people experience the look and sound of their products. Having a quiet room means that Orfield and his team can test quiet things. Heart valves, CPAP machines, cellphones.

But these days, Orfield is more interested in talking about how the room might help people with post-traumatic stress disorder, autism and other hypersensitivities. Those who have sat in the chamber’s silence described how it “reset their brains,” he said. “We think there’s great potential for therapeutic uses.”

Soon after installing the anechoic chamber in the addition to this building — the former home of Sound 80 studio, where Bob Dylan famously rerecorded five songs off “Blood on the Tracks” — Orfield set up $20,000 microphones that could measure up to minus 2.5 decibels. “It floored the mics,” Orfield says.

Guinness World Records recognized the chamber as the world’s quietest place twice — at negative 9.3 decibels in 2005 and minus 13 decibels in 2013. Some context: A human infant’s hearing limit is considered to be about 0 decibels.

But in 2015, Orfield Labs got bad news. Guinness was now bestowing its “quietest” title on an anechoic chamber at Microsoft’s headquarters in Washington. Their reading hit an “unimaginably quiet -20.35 dBA,” according to Guinness’ site (dBA is a decibel measurement).

Orfield disputes the claim. His lab was held to higher standards, he pointed out, including a requirement that the reading be maintained for an hour. His anechoic chamber, too, got instantaneous readings in the negative 20s, he says.

“We’re hoping to make a claim” to regain the title, Orfield says.

But Microsoft’s title hasn’t affected interest in this Minneapolis spot. The laboratories used to do free tours, asking visitors to donate $20 to a food shelf. But the visits were taking the lab’s handful of employees away from their work. Today, the lab charges $125 a person, with a $250 minimum.

“We charge them and they come,” Orfield says. “They come from all over the world.”

Dibble, who recently moved to St. Paul, had spotted the anechoic chamber in Atlas Obscura and was intrigued. “I thought, well, everybody’s going to the Capitol and to the cathedral,” she says. “I’m going to the anechoic chamber.”

She has long sung in choirs, appreciating the grand acoustics of a domed ceiling. So Dibble was fascinated by the idea of the opposite: a room that would allow no echo. “It’s like an antidote,” she says after her hourlong tour. “Even if you love something, you occasionally need a break from it.” 

Otter 12-01-2017 04:37 AM

This is insane...

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GayFrogs 12-01-2017 06:13 AM

Q...but should've been in this thread in the first place

Fish 12-14-2017 11:36 AM

NASA Is Hosting a Conference to Detail a Major Alien Planet Discovery
 
NASA announcing a new discovery today. Live conference at noon. Watch here: https://www.nasa.gov/live

NASA has announced plans to livestream a major media briefing on Thursday, December 14. The agency says the event will focus on the latest Kepler discovery, which was facilitated by machine learning techniques from Google.

NEW FINDINGS
NASA has announced a media teleconference set to take place at 1 p.m. EST on Thursday, December 14. The agency says the purpose of the event, which will stream live via the NASA website, is to reveal a new Kepler discovery. According to the announcement, the researchers used machine learning techniques developed by Google to draw new knowledge from data collected by the craft.

Kepler was launched in 2009, and it has already profoundly affected our understanding of space. When it set out on its voyage, we didn’t know how common planets were outside of our solar system. Now, thanks to the insights provided by Kepler, astronomers believe there might be one or more planets orbiting every star.

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Due to issues with Kepler’s reaction wheels, its initial planet-hunting mission was brought to an end in 2013. Since then, it’s been on the hunt for exoplanets using its remaining capabilities.

Kepler has been used to observe the seven planets that comprise the TRAPPIST-1 system. NASA announced the discovery of these worlds in February 2017, and since then, the agency has been using Kepler, Spitzer, and Hubble to find out more about these bodies and their potential to support life.

NASA isn’t the only space agency that’s been consistently sharing major discoveries. In October, the European Southern Observatory (ESO) shared news of an “unprecedented” finding pertaining to gravitational waves. That announcement turned out to be the first time we were able to observe gravitational waves and light from the same event concurrently.

We don’t know what this latest Kepler discovery will be about, but the last time NASA announced a major news conference like the one scheduled for December 14, TRAPPIST-1 was the focus, so it’s reasonable to assume this week’s announcement will be something suitably exciting. Thankfully, the wait to find out for sure is a brief one.

https://futurism.com/nasa-hosting-co...net-discovery/

Holladay 12-15-2017 01:41 PM

Well?

Fish 12-15-2017 02:36 PM

Using robits!

Artificial Intelligence, NASA Data Used to Discover Eighth Planet Circling Distant Star

Our solar system now is tied for most number of planets around a single star, with the recent discovery of an eighth planet circling Kepler-90, a Sun-like star 2,545 light-years from Earth. The planet was discovered in data from NASA’s Kepler Space Telescope.

The newly-discovered Kepler-90i – a sizzling hot, rocky planet that orbits its star once every 14.4 days – was found using machine learning from Google. Machine learning is an approach to artificial intelligence in which computers “learn.” In this case, computers learned to identify planets by finding in Kepler data instances where the telescope recorded signals from planets beyond our solar system, known as exoplanets.

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“Just as we expected, there are exciting discoveries lurking in our archived Kepler data, waiting for the right tool or technology to unearth them,” said Paul Hertz, director of NASA’s Astrophysics Division in Washington. “This finding shows that our data will be a treasure trove available to innovative researchers for years to come.”

The discovery came about after researchers Christopher Shallue and Andrew Vanderburg trained a computer to learn how to identify exoplanets in the light readings recorded by Kepler – the minuscule change in brightness captured when a planet passed in front of, or transited, a star. Inspired by the way neurons connect in the human brain, this artificial “neural network” sifted through Kepler data and found weak transit signals from a previously-missed eighth planet orbiting Kepler-90, in the constellation Draco.

While machine learning has previously been used in searches of the Kepler database, this research demonstrates that neural networks are a promising tool in finding some of the weakest signals of distant worlds.

Other planetary systems probably hold more promise for life than Kepler-90. About 30 percent larger than Earth, Kepler-90i is so close to its star that its average surface temperature is believed to exceed 800 degrees Fahrenheit, on par with Mercury. Its outermost planet, Kepler-90h, orbits at a similar distance to its star as Earth does to the Sun.

“The Kepler-90 star system is like a mini version of our solar system. You have small planets inside and big planets outside, but everything is scrunched in much closer,” said Vanderburg, a NASA Sagan Postdoctoral Fellow and astronomer at the University of Texas at Austin.

Shallue, a senior software engineer with Google’s research team Google AI, came up with the idea to apply a neural network to Kepler data. He became interested in exoplanet discovery after learning that astronomy, like other branches of science, is rapidly being inundated with data as the technology for data collection from space advances.

“In my spare time, I started googling for ‘finding exoplanets with large data sets’ and found out about the Kepler mission and the huge data set available,” said Shallue. "Machine learning really shines in situations where there is so much data that humans can't search it for themselves.”

Kepler’s four-year dataset consists of 35,000 possible planetary signals. Automated tests, and sometimes human eyes, are used to verify the most promising signals in the data. However, the weakest signals often are missed using these methods. Shallue and Vanderburg thought there could be more interesting exoplanet discoveries faintly lurking in the data.

First, they trained the neural network to identify transiting exoplanets using a set of 15,000 previously-vetted signals from the Kepler exoplanet catalogue. In the test set, the neural network correctly identified true planets and false positives 96 percent of the time. Then, with the neural network having "learned" to detect the pattern of a transiting exoplanet, the researchers directed their model to search for weaker signals in 670 star systems that already had multiple known planets. Their assumption was that multiple-planet systems would be the best places to look for more exoplanets.

“We got lots of false positives of planets, but also potentially more real planets,” said Vanderburg. “It’s like sifting through rocks to find jewels. If you have a finer sieve then you will catch more rocks but you might catch more jewels, as well.”

Kepler-90i wasn’t the only jewel this neural network sifted out. In the Kepler-80 system, they found a sixth planet. This one, the Earth-sized Kepler-80g, and four of its neighboring planets form what is called a resonant chain – where planets are locked by their mutual gravity in a rhythmic orbital dance. The result is an extremely stable system, similar to the seven planets in the TRAPPIST-1 system.

Their research paper reporting these findings has been accepted for publication in The Astronomical Journal. Shallue and Vanderburg plan to apply their neural network to Kepler’s full set of more than 150,000 stars.

Kepler has produced an unprecedented data set for exoplanet hunting. After gazing at one patch of space for four years, the spacecraft now is operating on an extended mission and switches its field of view every 80 days.

“These results demonstrate the enduring value of Kepler’s mission,” said Jessie Dotson, Kepler’s project scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center in California’s Silicon Valley. “New ways of looking at the data – such as this early-stage research to apply machine learning algorithms – promises to continue to yield significant advances in our understanding of planetary systems around other stars. I’m sure there are more firsts in the data waiting for people to find them.”

Ames manages the Kepler and K2 missions for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, managed Kepler mission development. Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corporation operates the flight system with support from the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado in Boulder. This work was performed through the Carl Sagan Postdoctoral Fellowship Program executed by the NASA Exoplanet Science Institute.

Fish 12-15-2017 02:40 PM

Oumuamua

Solar System’s First Interstellar Visitor Dazzles Scientists

Astronomers recently scrambled to observe an intriguing asteroid that zipped through the solar system on a steep trajectory from interstellar space—the first confirmed object from another star.

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Now, new data reveal the interstellar interloper to be a rocky, cigar-shaped object with a somewhat reddish hue. The asteroid, named ‘Oumuamua by its discoverers, is up to one-quarter mile (400 meters) long and highly-elongated—perhaps 10 times as long as it is wide. That aspect ratio is greater than that of any asteroid or comet observed in our solar system to date. While its elongated shape is quite surprising, and unlike asteroids seen in our solar system, it may provide new clues into how other solar systems formed.

The observations and analyses were funded in part by NASA and appear in the Nov. 20 issue of the journal Nature. They suggest this unusual object had been wandering through the Milky Way, unattached to any star system, for hundreds of millions of years before its chance encounter with our star system.

“For decades we’ve theorized that such interstellar objects are out there, and now – for the first time – we have direct evidence they exist,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington. “This history-making discovery is opening a new window to study formation of solar systems beyond our own.”

Immediately after its discovery, telescopes around the world, including ESO’s Very Large Telescope in Chile and other observatories around the world were called into action to measure the object’s orbit, brightness and color. Urgency for viewing from ground-based telescopes was vital to get the best data.

Combining the images from the FORS instrument on the ESO telescope using four different filters with those of other large telescopes, a team of astronomers led by Karen Meech of the Institute for Astronomy in Hawaii found that ‘Oumuamua varies in brightness by a factor of ten as it spins on its axis every 7.3 hours. No known asteroid or comet from our solar system varies so widely in brightness, with such a large ratio between length and width. The most elongated objects we have seen to date are no more than three times longer than they are wide.

“This unusually big variation in brightness means that the object is highly elongated: about ten times as long as it is wide, with a complex, convoluted shape,” said Meech. We also found that it had a reddish color, similar to objects in the outer solar system, and confirmed that it is completely inert, without the faintest hint of dust around it.”

These properties suggest that ‘Oumuamua is dense, comprised of rock and possibly metals, has no water or ice, and that its surface was reddened due to the effects of irradiation from cosmic rays over hundreds of millions of years.

A few large ground-based telescopes continue to track the asteroid, though it’s rapidly fading as it recedes from our planet. Two of NASA’s space telescopes (Hubble and Spitzer) are tracking the object the week of Nov. 20. As of Nov. 20, ‘Oumuamua is travelling about 85,700 miles per hour (38.3 kilometers per second) relative to the Sun. Its location is approximately 124 million miles (200 million kilometers) from Earth -- the distance between Mars and Jupiter – though its outbound path is about 20 degrees above the plane of planets that orbit the Sun. The object passed Mars’s orbit around Nov. 1 and will pass Jupiter’s orbit in May of 2018. It will travel beyond Saturn’s orbit in January 2019; as it leaves our solar system, ‘Oumuamua will head for the constellation Pegasus.

Observations from large ground-based telescopes will continue until the object becomes too faint to be detected, sometime after mid-December. NASA’s Center for Near-Earth Object Studies (CNEOS) continues to take all available tracking measurements to refine the trajectory of 1I/2017 U1 as it exits our solar system.

This remarkable object was discovered Oct. 19 by the University of Hawaii’s Pan-STARRS1 telescope, funded by NASA’s Near-Earth Object Observations (NEOO) Program, which finds and tracks asteroids and comets in Earth’s neighborhood. NASA Planetary Defense Officer Lindley Johnson said, “We are fortunate that our sky survey telescope was looking in the right place at the right time to capture this historic moment. This serendipitous discovery is bonus science enabled by NASA’s efforts to find, track and characterize near-Earth objects that could potentially pose a threat to our planet.”

Preliminary orbital calculations suggest that the object came from the approximate direction of the bright star Vega, in the northern constellation of Lyra. However, it took so long for the interstellar object to make the journey – even at the speed of about 59,000 miles per hour (26.4 kilometers per second) -- that Vega was not near that position when the asteroid was there about 300,000 years ago.

While originally classified as a comet, observations from ESO and elsewhere revealed no signs of cometary activity after it slingshotted past the Sun on Sept. 9 at a blistering speed of 196,000 miles per hour (87.3 kilometers per second).

The object has since been reclassified as interstellar asteroid 1I/2017 U1 by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), which is responsible for granting official names to bodies in the solar system and beyond. In addition to the technical name, the Pan-STARRS team dubbed it ‘Oumuamua (pronounced oh MOO-uh MOO-uh), which is Hawaiian for “a messenger from afar arriving first.”

Astronomers estimate that an interstellar asteroid similar to ‘Oumuamua passes through the inner solar system about once per year, but they are faint and hard to spot and have been missed until now. It is only recently that survey telescopes, such as Pan-STARRS, are powerful enough to have a chance to discover them.

“What a fascinating discovery this is!” said Paul Chodas, manager of the Center for Near-Earth Object Studies at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California. “It’s a strange visitor from a faraway star system, shaped like nothing we’ve ever seen in our own solar system neighborhood.”

Amnorix 12-15-2017 02:44 PM

Once one understands how absurdly vast the universe is, then the question fo whether there are planets around other stars, and inevitably life of some sort on some of those other planets, becomes completely academic.

We estimate roughly 100 billion STARS in the Milky Way alone. Our sun is just one of them. Nobody knows how many galaxies there are, but ten trillion is about the best guess we have.

So 100 billion times ten trillion stars. And whatever innumerable number of planets around those. Unquestionably the odds of life on any given planet are infinitesimally low, but given the number of planets around that ridiculous number of stars....yeah.

Rain Man 12-15-2017 02:45 PM

400 meters long with a slender cigar shape is how I would envision an interstellar scout ship. Just saying.

Dave Lane 12-15-2017 02:50 PM

We await your wisdom space dildo!

Fish 12-15-2017 03:03 PM

This was a really interesting read...

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Fish 12-15-2017 03:04 PM

At least she was wearing her safety goggles...

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Fish 12-15-2017 03:09 PM

Speaking of safety... who wants to make their own homemade solid fuel rocket?

Homemade Sugar Rocket

Cook up a solid-fuel rocket engine and let it fly.

In this project, you’ll combine two commonly available substances — granulated sugar and potassium nitrate — to make a powerful engine that can propel a small sugar rocket to impressive heights. This method involves melting a mixture of sugary fuel and chemical oxidizer (the potassium nitrate) over an electric hot plate and then pouring it into a paper rocket body where it solidifies into a rock-hard casting containing an incredible amount of chemical energy.

CAUTION: Undertake this project at your own risk. You are literally playing with fire, so understand what you’re getting into and don’t sell the dangerous aspects of this activity short. Sugar rocket fuel burns fiercely — do not ignite it until it’s contained in a completed motor. Follow all instructions and safety precautions carefully.

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BigRedChief 12-29-2017 08:13 AM

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sd4chiefs 01-08-2018 09:54 AM

NASA’s Juno Spacecraft Sent Back Some Spectacular Shots Of Jupiter


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mr. tegu 01-08-2018 03:06 PM

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