She is basically Rudy gobert. Which is useful for a team. But that’s just ****ing hilarious that anyone wants to call that dynamic. She doesn’t even have a post game let alone outside. She basically gets all her points off of turnovers or rebounds.

I haven’t paid much attention now that the buzz wore off. I think the story is very clear by now and none of it will change until the Olympic break.

Angel Reese is actually pretty good. She deserves credit. But any suggestion that she’s anywhere near Clark’s league is as dumb as comparing gobert to Steph curry.

Clark is having an excellent season for a rookie. She is not close to a top player in the league but the ceiling is there and she’s unquestionably the best rookie by a mile.

She has clear holes in her game that should be fixable. So while she’s been good we ain’t seen nothing yet. She needs to spend the entire offseason developing a mid range. It’s odd to me that she passes on so many step back deep 2s. But a floater would make her unstoppable. And she’s gotta learn to shoot to her right. She also needs to hit the weights but that won’t happen until offseason and frankly they’re better off playing her 40 minutes with little defense than fatiguing her. And her coaching sucks. You have a Steph like shooter. How you not running double screens and such to get her open off the ball.

It's a shame, really. Having to endure the humiliation of CC's success while watching Reese's failures should be his punishment.

Same way we don't ban Knomo from the Donks thread. Come, bask in your embarrassment so we can all have a good chuckle at you.

I’m good without him

Last I checked, still the best ho in Louisiana!

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Rudy Gobert blocks shots and defends.

Feel the collective of CP has more vertical hops than Reece

She's got the size to grab some boards for sure but needs a handrail to get up the curb

I mean, look she’s cringe to watch shoot basketballs. But at this point you can’t deny that she can rebound. Defensive too, not just rebounding her pitiful misses. And even if she doesn’t block shots she is a good defender. I’ve been originally using Andre Drummond as an example but Reese is actually an ok free throw shooter.

I think it kills any credibility when people insist she’s terrible. I don’t like her but in fairness she’s not as bad at basketball as some want her to be.

Last year's leading vote getter had 95k votes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TOP TWO ⭐️<br><br>Caitlin Clark and Aliyah Boston led all players in WNBA All-Star fan voting. <a href="https://t.co/NlDWHjBOTs">pic.twitter.com/NlDWHjBOTs</a></p>&mdash; Indiana Fever (@IndianaFever) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianaFever/status/1808321388068872686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Racist ****

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;My rookie of the year is going to go based on the standings. ... And the Sky right now are in the playoffs. So, you&#39;d have to give the nod in my mind to Angel Reese.&quot; <br><br>—<a href="https://twitter.com/McNuttMonica?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@McNuttMonica</a> on the WNBA ROTY race between Reese and Caitlin Clark 👀 <a href="https://t.co/65CnhbObrL">pic.twitter.com/65CnhbObrL</a></p>&mdash; Get Up (@GetUpESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1809214517626167414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hmm. Is that a thing? Basing ROY on team standing? That doesn’t seem logical. Am I missing something?

Chicks, man.

MVP? I could see that. ROY? Doesn’t make any sense.

Well, the guy that just won the ROY in the NBA went 22-60 with the Spurs.. So, yeah. She's a dipshit.

Angel Reese has done nothing except be allowed to shoot alot of bad shots. .and sometimes get her own rebound.

She is not a bad player. At this point we can admit that shes a good rebounder and even it's ugly she can get putback baskets even if it takes 3 tries.

But it's laughable that the league actually ****ing thinks that Andre Drummond is more entertaining to watch than Steph curry. That a power rb with no breakaway speed is more valuable than a QB who is asked to direct the whole offense and, shockingly, has a substantial learning curve.

Every time she misses 3 putbacks in a row her eyes get 1/1000th of a cm further apart.

She'll literally have eyes on the back of her head by the end of the season

LMAO... The Fever have offensive possessions where Clark doesn't touch the ball, she still got the first Triple Double today by a Rookie in WNBA history. She should have 7 more assists but missed layups our a constant issue.

Yeah, I saw a cut up of her teammates biffing her passes. Kadarius Toney thinks they should have caught those.

Holy ****ing balls.

CC is the first rookie in WNBA history to record a triple double. That's an astounding accomplishment.

Angel Reese proving to the world you can be born with fetal alcohol syndrome and still become a slightly above average WNBA player.

Also, it makes the Rookie of the Year award a team award. I don't know why, but that pisses me off. Not just because CC is clearly, clearly the ROTY, but because individual awards should not be determined by team success.

Unless, that success is mostly because of the individual player's performance, obviously, which is definitely NOT the case for Angel Reese.

All it comes down to is you can't have a white woman who didn't win the championship get the honor. That's it. Caitlyn gets it as she's been part of it all her life.

Funny how many people yell about racism, both black and white, but don't say a word when stuff like this happens. And somehow think it's "justified".

SAGA, got a problem with this post?

Now that angel is actually playing well I'm starting to see some of the dumb shit on the other end. A lot of people ripping her for rebounding her own misses and people blaming Clarks teammates for her turnovers. Unfortunately tribalism has taken over and right now people just see what they want to see. I'm not a fan of angel, I think it's ugly basketball and she seems more like Andre drummond than she does Giannis. But at this point she's undeniably playing very well for a rookie. People trying to sell her short hurt Clarks rookie of the year case because it's just hate not grounded in logic.

That being said, this is the tribalism the media heads wanted. The same media heads whove been deplatformed from every other sport because fans are sick of politicizing sports. None of this would have happened if they just embraced both these players and their rivalry instead of demonizing Clarks "privilege" before she stepped foot on the court. This tribal bullshit is what those media heads wanted because they want their clicks, nevermind all the long term damage it's done to the brand.

That's obviously not true at this point. She's a really good rebounder and solid on defense. And she's gotten better as a scorer even if everything is right under the basket. Not gonna act like she isn't playing very well and probably good enough to be ROTY in most years, except that this year has a special talent that's a clear cut favorite.

I'm sorry - is her name really Monica McNutt? That cannot be accurate.

No, it's McNutt Monica

I'm going to hell.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s Angel Reese <a href="https://t.co/nheCtjNvOF">https://t.co/nheCtjNvOF</a></p>&mdash; Studly Dudley (@RHarringa) <a href="https://twitter.com/RHarringa/status/1810523255670743366?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Angel Reese has now claimed the top spot in ESPN&#39;s rookie of the year standings, overtaking Caitlin Clark.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WNBA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WNBA</a> <a href="https://t.co/sqSMkiAu1g">pic.twitter.com/sqSMkiAu1g</a></p>&mdash; x.Guru (@xGuruNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/xGuruNews/status/1811451928271872237?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Sky are worse with Reese.

The Fever are better with Clark

CC breaking rookie records and she's not rookie of the year?

This type of stuff with Reese is just to drum up clicks.

Yeah, clarks got -750 odds to win it. So these media heads are full of it. Reese is a solid player but the real voters aren't going to vote Clint capela over Steph curry.

Farming engagement. Polarizing their audience. Shoveling disinformation.


Reminds me of something

The MSM?

If that means mainstream media that is exactly what I meant

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dawn Staley gave her pick for WNBA Rookie of the Year if the season ended today ��<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ_Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TMZ_Sports</a>) <a href="https://t.co/eXZ4b7wtBB">pic.twitter.com/eXZ4b7wtBB</a></p>&mdash; Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1812171305443369140?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

These are people that know basketball too. They 100% know better.

Dawn was just whining about not making more money as coaches whose programs generate more money.

She plays to emotional talking points.

I ended up watching some of the first half of the fever game on replay. I know some people are deadset against watching WNBA. But now that Caitlin is settled in, she is entertaining as hell and not ashamed at all to admit it. She is doing things with a patrick mahomes like flair and cockiness. I thought she was gonna be Steph curry but she's a mix Steve Nash with the jump shot of curry. The pace she pushes is just insane.

Yeah, I was pointing that out on Facebook. They tanked some games to keep her streak going it seems.

The WNBA is clearly a bunch of racist lesbians. CC is the light.

I can watch an entire Indiana game but i tried to watch Dallas/LA yesterday and that lasted about 2 minutes.

It's racism. Plain and simple.

Said it before, most of these women's players are ungraceful. Even sharp shooters like plum and Ionescu have these typical flick shots. they're used to just awkward bully ball. That's why the few but loud loyalists go apeshit over Reese tossing up bunnies like a third grader. Much respect to Aja Wilson, though, she can legit hoop. Not enough to get me to tune in but she's legit excellent.

Clark is the most dynamic but she's got a few to follow. Bueckers has a much more fluid style of play. And juju Watkins is going to be legit exciting to watch this year. it's way nicer to watch and it's just nuts that these purists can't see that.

It is still boring.

When Clark is cooking it is not boring. Sold out arenas say otherwise

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I completely disagree with Staley, but I'm not sure how that makes her a racist.

You wouldn't

Oh damn. Thats just right out there in your face. Congrats.

I think most people wouldn't rush to that judgement. Why do you think it makes her racist?

As staylor says, Caitlin is better than her in every way.

She only picks her because she's black. Sorry you refuse to see the truth.

I'm a Clark fan; we know the family fairly well. I think Caitlin is the better player. That being said, zero people are actually dumb enough to believe what you wrote, including staylor, unless you are actually trying to argue that Clark is a better rebounder.

Of course, folks like Shaq have also suggested that Reese should win ROTY. Again, I disagree completely and think Clark is the clear leader. Are you suggesting that Shaq is a racist for disagreeing with you?

If you're agreeing with me what are you arguing about?

If she's better then call her better. If she's not, then don't.

There's only one conclusion if the first is true.

Yeah lumping Shaq in is a broad brush stroke. Of course he's gonna say that since he's an lsu product and practically her godfather. Look I'm usually on the other side of this but there is absolutely an agenda by WNBA specific media and it's driven by race. The loudest voices are the jemele hills of the world who have been deplatformed everywhere because people are sick of this shit. this is the only sport they can pull this shit anymore and they're coming in hot. They threw the first shot by resenting her for being white, straight and "privileged." You know it's bad when these people are attacking Barkley, lebron and Stephen A Smith for having the audacity to defend Clark. Theyre not even hiding that they are annoyed by Clark because she isn't typical of a WNBA player. I agree that that's racism.

The hate comes from several people. Those who insist she doesn't represent the culture (yes, this is being said). And I kind of sense theres almost a peer pressure for people like staley or juju Watkins to call Reese roty when they are way too basketball smart to actually believe that nonsense. It's not even close. Because her supporters get roasted in these inner circles

Now in my honest take... Angel Reese is a very good player. There are lots of illogical and racist takes that want her to be terrible. It's a shame but thid is what those media trolls want. They race bait and then play victim when the worst elements take the bait. angels a solid defender and elite rebounder and she plays tough. But this is like comparing Andre Drummond to Steve Nash.

Btw you know something is off when Vegas has Clark at -1800 odds to win Roty yet this inner circle are pretty much unanimously giving it to Reese. They're not even hiding what they're trying to do

Clark is the better player. By far, IMO. I, however, am NOT going to suggest that she's a better rebounder, because that is beyond stupid.

I'm also not going to suggest that Staley or Shaq are racist because they disagree with my take.

Bro she had 19 dimes in her last game, breaking a league record. 19 assists in one game is ****ing bonkers.

Yeah agreed thats just not true that Clark is better in every way. It's like saying Steph curry is a better rebounder than Andre Drummond. Angel is an elite rebounder. She's a solid defender. Cc is a good rebounder... For a guard, but largely because the fever let her grab the gimmes so they can move quicker in transition. And her defense isn't a liability but it's nowhere near Reese. It's unfortunate that people can't recognize that both are great players with one being a generationally great talent.

There are a few things to recognize with Staley. First she was part of the decision to exclude Clark from the Olympics where it's been widely speculated was due to the team not wanting that kind of attention. Secondly, its not farfetched at all to guess she prefers Reese because she "represents the culture" or because she's worried about getting roasted for not voting for her. The first is borderline racist, the second is race driven peer pressure. If it were 1 or 2 people that would be one thing, but it's a representation of this weird isolated echo chamber where there is a consensus that Reese is roty and it is way more about how she represents the league than it is her actual play.

This whole thing is like watching social division play out in real time. Troll wnba media sends out dog whistle that Clark has white privilege. The league refuses to accept her and even her teammates are bullied for being affiliated with her. Her fans start to resent other players and even her teammates. A bunch of Clark "fans" who don't even pay attention to the sport jump in and start firing back. Troll media doubles down on Clark having a racist fan base. Which is why a lot of support for things like rookie of the year has become tribal. For many it isn't about who the better player is, it's whose side you are on in this division.

And this is exactly what those media trolls wanted much as they want to play victim. It's why even activist media like espn have booted them from covering other sports. And it's a shame because this goes very different if they just embraced her from the beginning.

4x increase in TV money.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The WNBA’s new media rights deals set the league up to receive $2.2 billion over next 11 years, per ⁦⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeVorkunov</a>⁩.<br><br>That’s about $200 million per year, a massive jump up: <a href="https://t.co/JygRitajEk">https://t.co/JygRitajEk</a></p>&mdash; Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) <a href="https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1813574002226655639?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But she is WhItE!

Interesting thread and had to watch her. Come on NFL season.

People are so fickle. Society really is easily manipulated by social media, media, and advertising.

Where is chiefybooger

19 assists should surprise nobody if you have been watching.

Hundreds of assists have been stranded on base so to speak. Her teammates getting better about converting them is the difference.




So glad you know who isn't here to talk about turnovers and losses to try and diminish 19 assists in a game

It’s a huge step up. A little shocking the wnba took it though I’m sure they’re desperate to get out of the red. Huge short term benefit but man… time value of money

All the WNBA players should be sucking Clarks dick after all the money she is going to makw for the league. Similar to what Tiger did for the PGA Tour.

Need to take a page from the USWNT playbook and stop enabling the social justice crap. Boot out the current media and revolve it around personalities who want to celebrate the sport instead of trying to troll divisively for clicks

The problem is that the wnba is technically making money from this outrage bs. But other leagues have learned the hard way this is not a good long term strategy. People are sick of this shit.

In another genius move by the WNBA, they are giving their whole league a month off since a handful of players go to the Olympics. Caitlin Clark won’t play in a game that matters again until 8/16. By then the NFL preseason will be in full throat and baseball playoff races will be heating up. I’ll be interested to see how much hype the league and CC are able to recapture then.

Not even CC can compete with the NFL. The league will take a massive hit.

Whoever made the team usa roster has to absolutely be bonkers to leave CC off the team.

I was browsing around for a cheap graded auto card for one of my nieces and stumbled into this.


Currently priced at a smooth $40k.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e7cAA...ZC/s-l1600.jpg

40k for a WNBA rookie... wowzers

That’s why some have questioned dawn staleys motives when she said angel is Roty. She’s part of the selection committee. It’s been more than speculated that someone commented about the “negative attention” she’d bring with CC supporters griping about her playing time. It’s truly stunning how stupid and petty this whole thing was but at least it looks like that’s starting to change

Dawn Staley trying to save face I guess.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dawn Staley, a member of the USWNT selection committee, asked about Caitlin Clark.<br><br>“If we had to do it all over again, the way that she’s playing, she would be in really high consideration of making the team because she is playing head and shoulders above a lot of people.” <a href="https://t.co/hMYqTsPWzc">pic.twitter.com/hMYqTsPWzc</a></p>&mdash; Scott Agness (@ScottAgness) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1817612164137467932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am starting to lose respect for Staley. Caitlin Clark is the ALL TIME COLLEGE SCORING LEADER and Staley acts like she is a bench player who might turn into a starter someday if she keeps working hard.

I wonder how different her answer would be if asked the same question about Angel Reese.