How so?

20 mil in cap space, and our free agent haul ended up being a te that stayed broken, a good #2 cb maybe, a one dimensional de and a we we are now looking to replace (apparently so is the team).

We spent, we always spend. Just not always wise.

How could you forget Dunta Robinson? He was awesome!

Tell me again how that's not true? Try elaborating this time instead of using emoji's.

Fwiw, I like the Sean smith signing, think he's a good fit. I also like putting Rishaw at rg.

But come on.

Damn

Why would I explain something that you can't possibly comprehend? You love the Fisher pick. You love the Alex Smith trade.

You've bought into their plan hook, line, and sinker. Enjoy it.

Geoff Schwartz
Sean Smith
Akeem Jordan
Husain Abdullah
Alex Smith (we took on his salary)

Every one of those guys were good players last year. Of course you can make a case that Donnie Avery was okay, but not a great signing by any means.

Speaking of not comprehending!

So Geoff Schwartz is a good signing when it supports your homerism but when they let him go, he's a scrub not worth the money?

ROFL

Also I don't think they're thinking Alex smith is necessarily a band aid. I legitimately think they feel he can be the late season playoff Alex smith here for 5 years.

What is there to comprehend? You're a ****ing lemming. We all get it.

Akeem Jordan?

And LOL at Dunta Robinson. You expect a new GM to clean up all of Pioli's failures in one offseason?

Dunta was the best possible option at the time and we desperately needed a CB at that time.

I was not happy that we let this guy go.

I think Alex Smith paired with Andy Reid is a great combination. If we can somehow manage to get better at TE and WR, this offense will be fun to watch.

Try again. You're way off.

Dude come on.

Just stop.

I don't expect a gm to clean up all previous failures, but I'd hope he wouldn't hop right in to another one.

hitsmage..hating every new GM because the old one's failed.

why do you think Dunta is gone? Once Marcus Cooper proved himself Dunta was expendable.

Seriously?

That's great, it's nice to see them admit a mistake and move on.

I'm guessing you don't think it was a mistake?

Our brass thought this team could win now last year. They even said it before the season started. Did you not expect them to try to fill all the glaring holes they could with any possible resource available?

We needed a ****ing CB. Do you know what QB's are in this division?

Wrong again, homer.

First of all, I don't hate Dorsey. I don't agree with some of his moves, mostly because he hasn't shown any consistency in his approach.

I PRAISED the Dorsey and Reid hires when they came on board. I wasn't happy with the Alex Smith trade but when he went out and proved I was wrong about him, I was back on board.

Now they're trying to shovel us the "build through the draft" shit which is code for "now that we've hooked everybody on playoff football".

Anybody with one eye knew how bad Dunta Robinson is. It's ****ing obvious.

It's funny that you are implying that building through the draft and winning now can't go together.

Not the way they did it.

If we needed a cb and Dunta Robinson was the answer to that question mark, well, that doesn't speak very well.

If they thought it was a win now team last year, what changed? We now know we have other glaring holes which are obvious, and instead of going win now and filling them like they did last year, they're letting young guys duke it out for them.

I don't have a problem with that, but it's not a consist approach in regards to last year.

Unless they think they didn't need to go sign any free agents to fill said holes because they can do it in house (maybe they can, I hope), they need a home run draft

Why do you believe that they think that they can't get back to the playoffs and have a chance to win next year?

Also don't take this as me thinking they need to sign any big free agents. They didn't.

However, there were and still are free agents out there that would really help, and I will never have a problem with them thinking they can develop an cultivate the talet on the roster to a higher level.

But that's a lot of pressure on young guys.

Oh, I know they believe they can. They have no business being in their jobs if they don't think they can win each and every year.

It's not about them believing. It's about us believing.

I don't see anything right now that suggests they'll repeat what they did last year, let alone improve on it. I could always be wrong, of course.

I can't believe any human being would defend signing Dunta Robinson.

I watch a lot of Falcons football and Dunta was DONE last year.

Dorsey got extremely lucky that Marcus Cooper fell in his lap...otherwise, Dunta might have cost us the playoffs.

I don't think they think (what?) they can't, but they're banking on young mostly unproven guys putting them over the hump.

That's a lot to ask, but I do think we probably have the coaching staff in place to develop them.

That's definitely the good thing about Andy Reid.

I just hope it doesn't turn out like Marty. I see A LOT of similarities...

He did cost us the playoffs.

Except Andy is a good playoff coach.

Luckily, I think Reid's offensive philosophy is more conducive with the current rules etc to be successful.

However, unless our dc improves or our defense improves, we are in trouble

I didn't defend it, but I had a better expectation out of him. Probably because I didn't know how much he had regressed the past few seasons and I remember him being pretty good back in the day. Plus he wasn't starting, so I was hoping maybe he'd be a good veteran filler player to have. Boy was I wrong....

Our cap situation and age was disastrous. What Dorsey inherited is nothing close to the shit show Kuharich inherited. In that case the best option was to hack the team apart. The chiefs right now are not nearly as old and have some very favorable cap years coming up.

I think we still have a lot of talent on the team from last year. We have a QB who we can believe in, finally.
Vance Walker is a big upgrade from Tyson Jackson IMO.

Of course there are unknowns, and we do play a harder schedule, but I think we will be in the playoff race.

I'll have to see the draft that we have. I really do think we can get 2 or 3 players from this draft to come in and play immediately..and play well.

Nobody is defending Dunta Robinson dumbass.

They needed a CB and he was the best option. It turned out to be a bad move. They moved on.

And I think they will draft another CB in May.

Agreed. Who do you want us to draft with our first and second round picks? Or at least what positions do you want them to draft? I don't know a lot of players in the draft, but I would really really love to see us nab a good TE early in this draft. Even moreso than WR I think.

Hahahahaha

Yeah, dunta wasn't the best option available.

He was available though

Then who was the best option? Also keep in mind we just used a a lot of money on the other free agents + Alex Smith's salary so it we couldn't get a high profile player.

We really need some of those guys from last years draft to play well, and to hit an impact player from this draft.

That's the plan. Time to see if Dorsey is as good as we think he is.

Aquib Talib signed for a similar amount.

Want a few more examples?

hahahaha

Rodgers Cromartie
Captain munnderlyn
Drayton Florence

You think Dunta Robinson and Talib are equals?

Brent Grimes, Cary Williams, pretty much anyone

I said at the time that we should have thrown that 5 million at a good safety, but what do I know.

I should bump that thread.

If Vance Walker and Joe Mays are better than Jackson and Jordan (and they probably will be), then we are 1 even below average free safety and either one playmaker or two quality starters away from being better than last year.

And the Cowboys and Redskins have the mentality every year that they can win. Great teams like the Broncos and Patriots tend to have a few quiet years before they attack. For as much talk as there is about those two teams, we don't mention that these kinds of inactive offseasons are actually fairly common.

Rashad Johnson
Mike Mitchell
Glover Quinn
Louis Delmas
Kenny Phillips
Patrick Chung
Adrian Wilson

And......Here we are. Again.

Your scenario, for building SB team through the draft, starts out by trading 2 2nd round picks for a QB that you don't reasonably believe can lead you to a SB in the time your plan requires to achieve that goal.

You seriously can't see the sheer stupidity in that?

This is what good teams do: Build inexpensively from within. If he's good, great. If not, try again.

Just curious, You thing the Smith trade was a bad move?

How much time do think it should reasonably take to compete?

I've been saying 2015. That leaves a 4 year window for smith at least.
Which is 4 years to find his replacement.
It is completely fine to have traded those picks for the QB you want when there wasn't one on the roster.

So you're good with trading 2 high picks for a caretaker?

I know that wasnt directed at me, but I'll answer it anyway.

I think we got fleeced in the initial trade, but that if Alex Smith can maintain the level of play he performed at over the course of the last 7-8 games (including the playoff game) AND signs a REASONABLE contract, we got a bargain.

If he signs for something like 17-20 million per year and that causes us to lose guys like Justin Houston...then yeah, the trade was a bad move.

Alex Smith is a guy tat needs a really good team around him to have a chance at a title...giving him 15-20% of the overall cap means that severely limits the teams ability to maintain a high level team around him.

My hope is that he signs for something between 12-15 million per year...then were in business...and if he falls flat on his face, we will be in position to see what we have with Bray and/or draft another quarterback that can give us a cheap window of opportunity similar to what Andy did in Philly with Nick Foles.

Alex Smith is 29. We could legitimately have him for another 6 years. 2 seconds for that yes.

No, I don't. I don't see stupidity in believing that rebuilding was not an option last year given fan morale and hiring Reid, a coach who badly needed to win again. I also don't believe that that approach obligates you to all of a sudden panic and stack the team for a short run. And no, I don't get the people in a panic that our window is only 3 more years and then the bubble bursts.

I don't think it's stupid to believe that getting 3 or 4 extra picks, freeing up money in 2015 for a legit free agency run (without mortgaging our future), and locking up guys like Berry and Houston to flexible contracts is a lot better than panicking and overpaying marginal free agents, losing free picks in 2015, and leaving ourselves with a very average to below average cap situation in 2015.

I don't see why we can't be very competitive next year. If Dorsey does his job. I think our 2015 season if we wait is a hell of a lot better than 2015 if we panicked and spent money this year. I also don't see why we can't be just as good if not better this year than 2013.

And once again, only 4 SBs have been won by QBs over the age of 34, so the reasonable expectation is a 4 year window.

The Chiefs can easily milk a few years out of him, groom a guy like Murray or even Bray to replace him, and that is more than enough time to start drafting the guys who will ultimately replace our veterans. And in year 4, the veterans you lose open up the cap space for you to buy their replacement.

If Dorsey does his job, we can compete for a Super Bowl now, and the window stays open a lot longer. IF he does his job.

Ya. Unless we fall into a franchise QB, which we've yet to do in our history.

So, you think a couple of extra 5th and 6th round picks in 2015 are going to raise this team to new heights in 2015.

Yeah, sure.

I also think that how great the trade is, will come down to whether we are able to sign him, for <15 mil per.
I think we will. I think he's good enough to win with, and I think he proved in the PO game, that he doesn't need the greatest team in the world around him to be effective, although it will help to have much more weapons.

If John Dorsey is as good as we hope he'll be, then the bold won't happen.

The draft is so great because not only do you get the chance to get so many young players. You get the chance to get them all cheap.

That's why I've always admired Pittsburgh and Green Bay's front office. They can pay their QB and draft well enough year in and year out to get talented young players to replace the older vets who think they deserve a ton of cash.

How many Super Bowls have been won by teams who "pay" their qb big money?

That's a ridiculous comparison. Are you telling me that Payton wasn't capable of winning a superbowl last year?

It's not like at the age of 34 their arm stops working.

Adding 3 to 4 picks so we have 16 to 17 picks in 2 years... if Dorsey does his job right, it adds a few starters, hopefully some playmakers, and big time quality depth. It might allow you to draft depth guys who can allow you to cut guys like Fasano, DeVito, Sean Smith, and Daniel who are eating up way too much cap.

Locking up Smith, Berry and Houston now helps us avoid the massive cap inflation next year not to mention giving other teams a chance to let them test the market and drive up the price. We can also make their contracts 2015 cap friendly. If you do that, cut some of those guys above, and restructure Hali/Flowers next year, we will have a shitload of cash for free agents and we won't have to mortgage our future to use it.

So yes, I think 16 to 17 picks and a shitload of free agent cash in 2015 could make us very good in 2015.

I don't view him as a caretaker. Like you said, He's got a 4-5 year window.
That's not the biggest window in the world, but yes, I think it's worth 2 2nds.

4 SBs out of 40 is roughly 10%.

I wonder what the percentage is for all other age groups. How about from 30-34 which is what we will have for Smith, and what age group I would imagine the highest percentage of SBs won would fall under.
How about 22-26 which is what the next four years would be if we had a rookie, and what I would imagine is probably the lowest outside of 34+
Not to mention that 34+ is probably the lowest average age of NFL starters.

Also I think those 4 years gives a huge window to find his successor without having to acquire one out of desperation.

If Alex Smith plays like last season, then the compensation is well worth it, especially if he does what he did in Indy.

The goal should be to get a balanced team emphasizing a quality QB and quality pass rushers that can get you to the playoffs every year and give you a chance to win.

This whole plan depends on how they draft.
We need all the picks we can get and our entire chance for success depends on how they draft.

If we draft well, we can constantly have a loaded roster, and compete year in and year out.

Whether we spend or don't spend, it depends on us drafting well. Worst case scenario, we don't draft well and our expensive veterans are replaced by expensive veterans. People forget that when good players leave, they take their expensive contracts with them.

It's also not as easy as just bringing in another high prices free agent. Continuity, consistency are pretty hue in these cases.

The best teams sign their own, then let them go when they're too old.

Yeop. Like I said, roughly 10% of SBs have been won by QBs over 34, and 34+ is proabably the lowest % of starters in the league.
Which is probably pretty favorable compared to all other age groups outside of 26-30&30-34 groups which Smith will fall under for the next four seasons.
I know, I said all of this already.