He doesn't look like a big, strong, bulldozer type guy so he probaby struggles with blowing guys up off the line.

Yeah I'd much rather have Hopkins than JuJu for sure

His contract is too big for his age. No.

He was 380 pounds once upon a time

You mean he will be our new LG after we shift Thuney to LT? ROFL

Cards get:
#31-Gain that 5th year option
#3.95
MVS

Chiefs get:
#34
Hopkins

Wait, are we still trading for Tunsil?

No

Would you ****ing stop with this shit? MVS isn't getting traded.

It's easy to forget that this guy was a projected top 5 pick leading up to the draft that year. Can't remember why he fell, but I do remember him being a popular pick for the Jags in the top 5.

No.

Hell ****ing no..... Are you smoking? WR's are not getting 1st's in return for them unless they are sub 30 and generational.

A better QB will certainly up his passpro if he stays where he's comfortable. He may even be just as good on the left side, but you'll have to wait and see on that.

Wow, really? I'm not like insulting his strength over here, but his play makes him look to be a quickness and positioning kind of guy.

Flat ****ing awful

He was a really hefty dude and there were doubts he could physically play LT in result.

I like this - go into the draft with Niang, Kinnard and maybe sign some brokedick. Then pick up a solid RT at #31.

Like I said in the OBJ thread - you watch his college tape and realize there's no reason he COULDN'T be a left tackle. But it does take some projection.

Every tool is there for him to be genuinely great at it, though.

WASP

Taylor was at RT last year, but still…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Orlando Brown Jr vs Jawaan Taylor statistical comparison <br>(OBJ- left, Taylor- right) <br><br>Pressures: 58 - 21<br>QB Hits: 10 - 1 <br>Hurries: 44 - 15 <br><br>Stats via <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a> <a href="https://t.co/LlTusQR537">pic.twitter.com/LlTusQR537</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Core (@ChiefsCore) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsCore/status/1635356195392458752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OBJ gave up triple the pressures compared to Taylor :shrug:

In high school he was

Lets us sit back a bit and if Harrison is there we still gladly take him.

Look a little closer. Veach gets #34 back

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant?

ONE ****ING QB HIT LMAO

You must be toast because I haven’t never seen a post by you this short.

LMAO

I like the deal because it maximized Kelce's Window with a solid OT.

I have to guess Veach/Company think he can make the transition.

I'm going to guess that $20 million AAV was the Chiefs telling him that they wanted him to play LT. Not sure he would have got that on the market while staying at RT.

Although...the Broncos stupid asses just gave McGlinchey $17.5 million AAV....so who knows.

This guy looks great

Could be HEAVILY back loaded.

It seems like he wanted to come to KC and compete for a ring so the $20M a year could be window dressing to make it sounds good but end up being a 3 year type deal.

No, but he's cheaper and just as good at pass blocking. Can't run block worth a shit but who cares

Would have preferred to spend a little less than this, but will be interested to see what OBJ gets. If OBJ gets 25M+ then this is a good deal.

its LT prove it money, they are going to give him a shot. And honestly after just doing the EXACT same transition on another player it could pay off!

Need the structure to come out. I bet they’re only paying him like $8 million on the cap this year LMAO

What would be amazing is if Taylor is like "You pay me $20m you can play me wherever you want" and not "I need to play LT and reset the market for muh daddy!"

If we push his money out AND extend CJ... We are going to have money to spend.

On who is the question.

Those are still incredibly impressive numbers regardless. Hell of a lot of teams play their best pass rusher on that side nowadays.

Veach likes to take care of his number one issue prior to the draft. Gives him more options during the draft. Last year Hill kind of screwed things up with his last minute contract demands. This year Veach took control and did not let Brown mess things up. He stuck to his timeline and let Brown walk. Brown on the tag would have been all Drama, again, more expensive and a free agent next year. Then No Camp. Blah Blah Blah. Good riddance.

He more than likely going to transition to LT..... That is not RT money or signing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of 25 qualifiers, Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes had the BEST Pressure to Sack Percentage in the NFL at 10.8%.<br><br>His tackles, Orlando Brown Jr. (47) and Andrew Wylie (49) both finished top 4 in pressures allowed.<br><br>Despite the worst tackle play in the NFL, Mahomes didn’t take sacks. <a href="https://t.co/ZCfxwBGAwL">pic.twitter.com/ZCfxwBGAwL</a></p>&mdash; Pranav Sriraman (@PranavSriraman) <a href="https://twitter.com/PranavSriraman/status/1614813070752112640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Run counters and power to the other side, we good.

Hell, with the way Pacheco runs does it really matter? He'll just Tasmanian Devil his way through that shit anyway.

Oh boy is he going to have some time to cook this next year. This is why I think we might actually make a splash at WR.

Well damn wasn't expecting this.

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Who gives a **** if he can't block stretch runs to the outside LMAO

This guy can stonewall pass rushers like MAck and Bosa.

Book it.

My point exactly, we need to run toward our strongest part of the line. No point in attacking edges unless Trey/Tun are pulling

I think Taylor is an improvement on OBJ and is going to cost less. However, I do expect his pressure rate to go up. Mahomes holds on to the ball until the last second a lot (and almost always makes something great happen). But, that increases the pressure rate for the lineman.

At least, I'm pretty sure it does. Unless it's only measured over the first 2.5 seconds?

And doesn't have a fuking fox hanging out of his pocket!

If you buy Mahomes 1-2 seconds more without pressure hes going to 2018 people all over again.

Brett Screech sees the tackle position the same way I see it. Pay less to get great pass protection at the small expense if worse run protection. It's moneyball at the NFL level. Saavy move. My guess is the market for tackles is going to be much higher than some of us thought, if we paid 20M a year. Orlando is gonna get paid so much by some poor sap of a GM to be a fat ass who needs chips, can't do shit once the play breaks down, and gets demolished by any speed rusher.

Mahomes is forced to hold on to the ball longer because he was being forced off his spot. It goes both ways

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HE IS A BAD MAN<br><br>Jawaan Taylor (<a href="https://twitter.com/jawaan_taylor74?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jawaan_taylor74</a>) has been hard at work this off-season. <br><br>Just wrapped up Week 3 of his Off-Season strength and conditioning training. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#jaguars</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DUUUVAL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DUUUVAL</a> <a href="https://t.co/dzsv0sgQMJ">pic.twitter.com/dzsv0sgQMJ</a></p>&mdash; Rise &amp; Grind Training (@RiseandGrindOP) <a href="https://twitter.com/RiseandGrindOP/status/1632143177145516032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Too ****ing bad the Dungkeys record over the last 5 years and the next 5 will be pretty much identical you mouth breathing ****tard!

Concerning the draft, Veach could have a mancrush on Nolan Smith or Kincaid/Darnell Washington and will trade up to get them.

Yep. Been saying this for a while. Mahomes is the major reason why he was not sacked more. He's fast twitch. Agile, fast, quick. Doesn't matter if Patty isn't fast.

even bringing like five or six plays from the 2018 playbook back into this offense could make us deadly again

the offense is going to be incredibly diverse if this guy lives up to the hype

The problem is McGlinchey isn't even very good...

We adapt our offense to our players, I hope this allows for Mahomes to run more traditional play action.

LMAO

he just ****ing shuts people down

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taylor times his strikes well regularly. He catches Lawrence going up on his &quot;euro-jump-slap&quot; and nothing comes of it. <a href="https://t.co/au3ESfu9sy">pic.twitter.com/au3ESfu9sy</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1635363993819938816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great kick step and feet.. He has been square in all those videos you posted.

who's available at WR late in the first?

go get another hardman and scare the shit out of people

We are trading for Hopkins if I had to bet. Probably can get him for a 3rd and 6th. Then we go defense and project heavy this year

the thing that really jumps out to me, when they engage with him, there's no walkback into the QB

he's got tons of athletic ability but he's got really functional strength too

I know that Brown Jr's biggest limitation when moving from RT to LT was that he lacked the speed to consistently stone speed rushers. That was a physical limitation he was never going to overcome. With Taylor, does he have any issues like that? If it's straight experience then KC can deal with that.

Yeah he has really good leverage on all the plays posted. You are also not beating him inside with a spin move or to the outside.

I'm curious if he can master his kick step on the left side, but we will see.

It's gonna be sketchy, it isn't that kinda year for WR's.

You're looking at guys like Josh Downs, Jalin Hyatt maybe Zay Flowers and those guys are more traditional receivers.

Start him off as a swing tackle. Draft the hell out of left tackles and make it your goal to kick Taylor out of LT, swing him back to RT. We may overpay him as an RT but it’s totally worth it if he can be a shot term swing option.

So RT to me seems like a great spot for a bandaid. Bring someone in who can hold the fort for a year or two until Taylor can get bumped back into RT. Maybe the chiefs feel good enough already about someone like allegretti or kinnard or prince wanagho to be a stopgap.

Feel pretty good about this.

Taylor is much more athletic than Brown is, it's why he got drafted quite a bit higher.

It's gotta be another DE.

Or.....Brandon Aiyuk

I think that move is happening too, I think it matters to the Chiefs to be the first team to go back to back in 20 years.

Put him at LT and be done with it.

Makes sense. I was curious if there will be any limitations in his transition outside of experience.

Now Brett is gonna draft one of these badass DL in the first rd.

Trenches gonna be strong boys. And that’s what matters

Yep. OBJ is just a bad fit for the Chiefs. Taylor is kind of like Tristan Wirfs. Great athlete. He will only get better at run blocking, and either way Pacheco isn't exactly a guy that relies on vision. He's kind of a fast bull runner. We now have more flexibility with Taylor and he fits our scheme and what we want to do perfectly.

$20M for a swing tackle, lol.

Probably because he is a bad run blocker? But anyway - who really cares. Do we care about how good of a run blocker? We do not. We care about how well he is as a pass blocker and how well he will fit into our scheme.

One thing it does is if one of the OT's they really like slides, they can take whoever it is and be fine cause Taylor can fill either side.

It's gonna be a crapshoot who falls, there are like 7 CB's that could go in the 1st, a ton of OL and DL, but someone will fall.