Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656863)

So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656863)

So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17656869)

You do understand the difference between a turnover in a football game versus a basketball game that has many many many possessions right?

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17656864)

and as I just said, many of those passes should have been caught and counted as an assist with an easy layup...

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17656869)

You do understand the difference between a turnover in a football game versus a basketball game that has many many many possessions right?

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656881)

That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656881)

That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656881)

That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17656887)

Uh, no. Turnovers in basketball aren't nearly as influential as T/Os in football. 7-8 turnovers in girls basketball is probably worth no more than 1-2 turnovers in football at most.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656902)

Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17656874)

To some extent but I think it’s overplayed in the second half of the season. I agree with you except when it’s used as an excuse to shit on her teammates.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17656868)

Fever haven’t been above .500 since 2019.

Caitlin Clark is something we e never seen before in women’s basketball

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656902)

Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17656925)

Regardless, turnovers in basketball just don't affect the outcome of a game the way turnovers in football do. I forget the actual percentage, but when an average NFL team turns the ball over 3 or more times, the percentage chance of winning drops to nearly zero. In basketball, teams regularly turn the ball over 5-10 times a night, and it doesn't have that much effect on whether the team wins or loses. Yes, it costs them points, but not necessarily Ws. In football, every turnover can have huge implications.


Case in point, didn't the Fever win anyway?

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656881)

That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656938)

Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656938)

If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.

Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17656913)

it is getting better the 2nd half, but still not where it needs to be. Just like those that play with Mahomes, always be ready for the ball. Oh, and Caitlin would never shit on her teammates.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656882)

And to those saying it's all about Clark and no-one else. Right now Mitchell has a better points per game average than Clark. So Mitchell deserves way more credit than she's getting.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656863)

So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 17656936)

caitlin is a hottie. Also get cheapshotted allthe time.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 17657192)

I'm not gonna make myself watch any of these games; but I can always count on some random white guy nerd to subject himself to that tape and do a breakdown that sums things up aptly:

https://herhoopstats.substack.com/p/...reese-rebounds

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 17657138)

Yeah she and her team are really kicking ass.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 17657192)

I'm not gonna make myself watch any of these games; but I can always count on some random white guy nerd to subject himself to that tape and do a breakdown that sums things up aptly:

https://herhoopstats.substack.com/p/...reese-rebounds

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 17657192)

I'm not gonna make myself watch any of these games; but I can always count on some random white guy nerd to subject himself to that tape and do a breakdown that sums things up aptly:

https://herhoopstats.substack.com/p/...reese-rebounds

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 17656936)

caitlin is a hottie. Also get cheapshotted allthe time.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17657254)

I mean, honestly, I don't know that ive seen a single WNBA game until this season. And I still can't watch a game that doesn't include Clark. But games with Clark are legit exciting especially now that Kelsey Mitchell is red hot. And if you need an extra excuse, Lexie hull on that team is fun to look at

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17657261)

Im sorry I just cant agree there. She is probably the most mid 23 year old chick Ive ever seen. The definition of an avg face.

Just imagine if she was hot? And how even much more hate she would get.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17657254)

I mean, honestly, I don't know that ive seen a single WNBA game until this season. And I still can't watch a game that doesn't include Clark. But games with Clark are legit exciting especially now that Kelsey Mitchell is red hot. And if you need an extra excuse, Lexie hull on that team is fun to look at

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 17657274)

I've seen the "Iowa pretty" thrown around and that's more like it.

If they really wanna save this sport they need the next Caitlin Clark to look more like Livvy Dunn.

Too bad they just got a whole buncha Chennedy Carter's.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 17657274)

I've seen the "Iowa pretty" thrown around and that's more like it.

If they really wanna save this sport they need the next Caitlin Clark to look more like Livvy Dunn.

Too bad they just got a whole buncha Chennedy Carter's.

Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 17657279)

You are correct.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/v/..._nc_sid=10d13b

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656135)

I think comparing Reese to Drummond is way off base and totally inaccurate. Reese is an elite defender who can guard bigs, forwards and guards. Drummond can't do that. Then we have her rebounding skills which are at this rate historic in the men's or women's. She's simply outstanding on both ends be it offensive or defensive rebounding. Offensively yes she's a work in progress but she has hit threes and midrange jumpers on and off all season and I'd expect that to improve as she gains more experience. The tools are there for her to improve offensively and if she does she could be Kawhi lite imo.



It's funny how when the Fever were losing everyone blamed her teammates. Now they are barely 500 "her teammates owe Clark everything"?? Mitchell has been balling since the start of the season so I don't agree that it's solely down to Clark.

Also I think that excuse regarding her turnovers is weak. Quality players don't give the ball away as prolifically as Clark does and it's a habit she had in college too. And what makes it worse is many of them lead to easy buckets for the opposition. When the playoffs start that's when such habits really come home to roost as they did when she lost back to back finals with Iowa.

If you wanna talk about qb's then Brett Favre might be a good Clark comparison tbh. But I digress.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656149)

Clark has several high draft picks surrounding her including Boston who was the rookie of the year last season. Reese doesn't have the same support.

Boston= 1st overall pick
Smith= 2nd overall pick
Mitchell= 2nd overall pick
Samuelson= 4th overall pick
Berger= 7th overall pick
Hull= 6th overall pick

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656863)

So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17657570)

Correct. She’s Rodman.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656902)

Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 17657607)

The funny thing is if it weren't for Clark probably only a few on this board would know who Reese is. Let alone there being a constantly updated WNBA thread on CP.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17657570)

Correct. She’s Rodman.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656149)

Clark has several high draft picks surrounding her including Boston who was the rookie of the year last season. Reese doesn't have the same support.

Boston= 1st overall pick
Smith= 2nd overall pick
Mitchell= 2nd overall pick
Samuelson= 4th overall pick
Berger= 7th overall pick
Hull= 6th overall pick

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17657662)

This is one of those under the radar wild ass posts when you actually look into it a hair.

Angel Reese doesn't have the support Clark has?

Like wtf?

Angel Reese plays for the Chicago Sky. Over the last 11 years the Sky has made the playoffs 9 times, they won a championship in 2021 and lost in the finals during that time. This year with The Rebound Queen they have their worst winning percentage in 18 years.

Caitlin Clark plays for the Indiana Fever. They have not been anywhere close to good since 2016, which is the last time they were .500 and made the playoffs. In those 7 seasons they have 5 years in which they had less than 10 wins and 4 seasons with 6 or less wins. They have been Raiders bad. Now with the future GOAT they have there most wins since that 2016 season and are on there way to a playoff berth.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17657743)

Lol I've already explained that Chicago are shorthanded. They traded away their best shooter and their best playmaker (Carter) is currently Injured. Couple that with Cardoso missing most of camp and missing games at the start of the season, plus having a ROOKIE HEAD COACH. This is a totally new organisation that doesn't compare to the previous teams at all.

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17657748)

why did they trade away their best shooter....? seems kinda dumb to me

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17657748)

why did they trade away their best shooter....? seems kinda dumb to me

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17656075)

Here is what is actually happening. A fair read, not some canned Twitter comments

Reese is an elite rebounder. And she’s a good defender. She is Andre Drummond except she has more defensive range and isn’t a liability at the FT line. Unlike Drummond she’s horribly inefficient under the basket. Her entire bag is built around motor. Her entire game is built on bully ball and reshooting off her misses. She has no post moves, she has a bizarre low release on short shit instead of going straight up, she is too ineffective outside of 5 feet to space the floor, and rather than shooting 30% off of horrendous heaves she should be kicking it out. They’ve gotta stop coddling the kid. The way she forces shots late in games and even is their primary tech FT shooter all to chase a meaningless record… why would the coach do that and I can’t imagine the team appreciates it. If she develops a post game and mikan drills til her hands bleed she’ll be one of the better bigs. But until then people need to stop insulting our intelligence with these bs comparisons.

Clark creates a lot of turnovers. Surprise, a qb is going to have more turnovers than a RB, and a rookie qb is going to have even more. Peyton had 28 INTs as a rookie. Clarks teammates are playing great but it’s because they are adapting to what clark uniquely does. Mitchell is thriving because clark pushes an absurd pace and Boston thrives because defenses blitz clark. And now they are unstoppable because Boston has learned to become Jokic. They are playing within a system clark is uniquely qualified to run. Clark makes the system run and she is setting the offense up for success. That’s why she’s not only the undisputed ROTY, let alone a candidate for mvp runner up.

Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 17657607)

The funny thing is if it weren't for Clark probably only a few on this board would know who Reese is. Let alone there being a constantly updated WNBA thread on CP.

Originally Posted by threebag (Post 17657824)

She sets herself up for her own rebounds LMAO. She can pick up 3 rebounds on a layup and maybe 5 on a short jumper

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17657933)

I see CP's own Black Panther is still fuming that a white woman is the face of the WNBA and women's basketball in general.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656938)

If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.

Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656938)

If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.

Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17657959)

She averages 5.5 TO per game and it is not growing. If you're going to hate on Caitlyn Clark, at least have your stats correct. 5.5 TO per game is not out of this world or even unexpected for a player that handles the ball as much as she does and plays with women who are having to adjust their game to expecting passes from her that they weren't seeing before.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17657933)

I see CP's own Black Panther is still fuming that a white woman is the face of the WNBA and women's basketball in general.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17657935)

You are truly a dolt...

On those finals...

Iowa wouldn't have been close to the finals without Clark. She was most likely the only player from Iowa in the top 6 of those finals.

Watch the LSU game again, the officiating was absolutely horrid and one sided against Iowa. It was literally trending and being discussed by nearly every media outlet after the clear bias by the officials.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 17657959)

She averages 5.5 TO per game and it is not growing. If you're going to hate on Caitlyn Clark, at least have your stats correct. 5.5 TO per game is not out of this world or even unexpected for a player that handles the ball as much as she does and plays with women who are having to adjust their game to expecting passes from her that they weren't seeing before.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17657935)

You are truly a dolt...

On those finals...

Iowa wouldn't have been close to the finals without Clark. She was most likely the only player from Iowa in the top 6 of those finals.

Watch the LSU game again, the officiating was absolutely horrid and one sided against Iowa. It was literally trending and being discussed by nearly every media outlet after the clear bias by the officials.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17657979)

She's breaking turnover records right now and many of her turnovers are from her getting stripped one on one and allowing that player to get an easy bucket. But If you think that deficiency in her game is cool then OK dude :thumb:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17656938)

If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.

Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17657171)

She cannot catch the ball for her teammates.

Turnovers are over rated as **** too.

Clark averages 5.5 turnovers a game this season and has girls that can't catch passes.

LeBron James had two seasons in which he had over 4 turnovers per game.

Magic Johnson averaged 3.9 turnovers per game for his career.

Luka Doncic averages 4.0 turnovers per game for his career and has had as high as 4.5 turnovers per game in a season.

James Harden had a seasons of 5.7, 5.0, and 4.8 turnovers per game. The year he had 5.7 tpg is the year he was runner up for MVP.

These men would have much higher turnover rates playing in the WNBA.

The argument that her turnovers are some big huge negative is ****ing stupid when she can put up 23+ ppg, 10+ apg, and 5+ rpg a night.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17657743)

Lol I've already explained that Chicago are shorthanded. They traded away their best shooter and their best playmaker (Carter) is currently Injured. Couple that with Cardoso missing most of camp and missing games at the start of the season, plus having a ROOKIE HEAD COACH. This is a totally new organisation that doesn't compare to the previous teams at all.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17657979)

She's breaking turnover records right now and many of her turnovers are from her getting stripped one on one and allowing that player to get an easy bucket. But If you think that deficiency in her game is cool then OK dude :thumb:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17658472)

Clark, or "the turnover queen" as some are now calling her, has a massive 181 turnovers this season which is 63 more than the player in second place and the worst in wnba history already. She stands on the verge of hitting a monumental number ya'll...TWO HUNDRED TURNOVERS which would shatter all records and has never been done before. And with fourteen games to in the regular season left, I think she obliterates the record books and may hit the 250 to 260 mark. We'll see. Combine that with the playoffs and it could really be off the charts.

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17658481)

Literally no one cares. This is pathetic. Like when Skip Bayless cried about Mahomes pass to Tyreek in the SB being a "Duck".

Just a really, really pathetic attempt at being a hater.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17658517)

How is it pathetic when she's on a record tear for turnovers? This is an issue nomatter how many excuses ya'll wanna make. I'm merely stating facts. No hate at all.

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17658472)

Clark, or "the turnover queen" as some are now calling her, has a massive 181 turnovers this season which is 63 more than the player in second place and the worst in wnba history already. She stands on the verge of hitting a monumental number ya'll...TWO HUNDRED TURNOVERS which would shatter all records and has never been done before. And with fourteen games to go in the regular season, I think she obliterates the record books and may hit the 250 to 260 mark. We'll see. Combine that with the playoffs and it could really be off the charts.