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Megatron96 01-04-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17318274)
Depends what you mean by overhaul..they are going to have to add 2-3 WR's.

Rice obviously and Moore and Toney will return due to what was invested in them. Watson likely comes back but hopefully more as the 5 or 6.

That leaves 3 spots because MVS and Hardman are gone and Richie James is probably gone also, that leaves likely a higher end signing, high draft pick, Justyn Ross and likely a lower end Richie James type or even a UDFA late pick battling for the last spot.



If I were Veach (and I get I’m just some couch GM) I’d keep Rice and one of either James/KT, and cut everyone else. Do a complete overhaul of the position and hit it hard, like he did with the OL and defense.

But that’s probably not feasible; so I’m already bracing myself for just one WR drafted, signing some JAG FA for around $10million/yr, and bringing back Toney, Skyy, JWat, maybe even James.


I just hope it works out better in 2024.

penguinz 01-04-2024 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17318327)
It's not their contracts, it's giving up on guys they used 2nd and 3rd round picks on in the last 2 years that's the issue. Most teams will not do that.

Teams are moving on quicker now. If they draft or bring in UDFAs that outperform them I have no doubt they will cut at least one of them.

Mecca 01-04-2024 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17318335)
Teams are moving on quicker now. If they draft or bring in UDFAs that outperform them I have no doubt they will cut at least one of them.

The idea they are just going to find some UDFA who can step in and play right away is a pipe dream, that shit is rare as hell.

MahomesMagic 01-04-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17318327)
It's not their contracts, it's giving up on guys they used 2nd and 3rd round picks on in the last 2 years that's the issue. Most teams will not do that.

Teams don't want to give up but when the guy is not NFL caliber they do.

See Green Bay and Amari Rodgers.

Drafted 3rd round like Skyy. Did nothing year 1.

Brought to camp Year 2 and cut.

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2024 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17318342)
The idea they are just going to find some UDFA who can step in and play right away is a pipe dream, that shit is rare as hell.

I think we need to get more creative about how we fill the back half of the roster using the end of the draft with offensive weapons. Very hard to find well rounded top of the depth chart guys but feels like you can pull off some specialists. That's where you get undersized speed guys like tank dell or rb/wr hybrids. But these guys for the most part need to be role players, not front men. So from that perspective if we has a free agent and high draft pick WR, I do think you can explore these end of draft avenues

Mecca 01-04-2024 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17318357)
I think we need to get more creative about how we fill the back half of the roster with offensive weapons. Very hard to find well rounded top of the depth chart guys but feels like you can pull off some specialists. That's where you get undersized speed guys like tank dell or rb/wr hybrids. But these guys for the most part need to be role players, not front men. So from that perspective if we has a free agent and high draft pick WR, I do think you can explore these end of draft avenues

I mean you can find a RB, you might find a return man. You can even find a guy who's explosive but it takes work...shit Rashid Shaheed was undrafted and you can see his explosion but he's undersized and went to Weber State.

O.city 01-04-2024 12:27 PM

Most of those undersized small guys....won't work out.

duncan_idaho 01-04-2024 12:28 PM

I can't see them cutting Toney unless there's off-the-field stuff. He has shown legitimate NFL physical traits.

Moore, on the other hand... unless he comes to TC next year and is suddenly in a mind meld with Mahomes and knows exactly where to be all the time, I could see potentially cutting him.

They gave him a bigger role this year and he clearly didn't take advantage of it. I don't expect them to be stupid about him.

O.city 01-04-2024 12:29 PM

Yeah, he probably ain't making it out of camp next year.

There's guys like him physically in every mid to late round of drafts, so grab another one if you want.

Megatron96 01-04-2024 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17318325)
If you are drafting a WR high it should be a guy with traits and craft. No reason to spend the pick on a project. You can get those guys later.



I would agree.


However, somehow we always seem to draft/trade for 'projects,' like Hardman, Toney or Skyy, so let's say i won't be surprised if we do it again.


The other thing is, I'm not completely convinced that we'll draft a WR in the 1st round. No real reason for it, I mean nothing I can point to specifically, but we do have other real needs, like another OT, DT, S, RB . . . TE?

And not a lot of picks to address everything, and we may have to spend a pick or two to move up day 1/2.


So, I won't be shocked if we somehow draft something other than WR in the 1st.

I mean, it's way early, and I'm not a draft guru at all; this is just a gut feeling at this point. But between the shortage of picks, the cap, all the FAs on defense we have to figure out, Pat, Andy, etc. my gut is telling me not to expect Veach to go all in on a single WR.

saphojunkie 01-04-2024 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17318272)
Toney and Skyy will be here next year.

Toney will be WR4 at best and Skyy will be fighting for his job in training camp to make the roster

Smart money is that neither of them make the 53 next year.

saphojunkie 01-04-2024 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17318361)
I mean you can find a RB, you might find a return man. You can even find a guy who's explosive but it takes work...shit Rashid Shaheed was undrafted and you can see his explosion but he's undersized and went to Weber State.

If I were an NFL head coach, I would eliminate the punt returner position. I swear to God, the team would win at least one extra game by not having anyone return punts.

I would send 11 guys to block the punt, and zero would stay home to set up a return.

We would never ever fumble a punt. We would never have a fair catch inside the ten. We'd never have some dummy take the return at the 1.

We'd have at least one more block.

I'd trade that over one big return every 8 weeks.

MahomesMagic 01-04-2024 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17318406)
I would agree.


However, somehow we always seem to draft/trade for 'projects,' like Hardman, Toney or Skyy, so let's say i won't be surprised if we do it again.


The other thing is, I'm not completely convinced that we'll draft a WR in the 1st round. No real reason for it, I mean nothing I can point to specifically, but we do have other real needs, like another OT, DT, S, RB . . . TE?

And not a lot of picks to address everything, and we may have to spend a pick or two to move up day 1/2.


So, I won't be shocked if we somehow draft something other than WR in the 1st.

I mean, it's way early, and I'm not a draft guru at all; this is just a gut feeling at this point. But between the shortage of picks, the cap, all the FAs on defense we have to figure out, Pat, Andy, etc. my gut is telling me not to expect Veach to go all in on a single WR.


I think early on Veach and the KC scouts just didn't prioritize route running.

At the top of the draft you need to have both traits and the polish. You should be drafting guys that can help right away.

Zay Flowers and Rice on this team and we have the #1 seed this year.


I am excited for this draft but of course nervous. If it looks like there are 4 elite WR prospects and they all go by 20 we need to move up and get ours.

Megatron96 01-04-2024 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17318429)
I think early on Veach and the KC scouts just didn't prioritize route running.

At the top of the draft you need to have both traits and the polish. You should be drafting guys that can help right away.

Zay Flowers and Rice on this team and we have the #1 seed this year.


I am excited for this draft but of course nervous. If it looks like there are 4 elite WR prospects and they all go by 20 we need to move up and get ours.



, I would agree. And I hope like hell you’re right.

BigCatDaddy 01-04-2024 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17318384)
I can't see them cutting Toney unless there's off-the-field stuff. He has shown legitimate NFL physical traits.

Moore, on the other hand... unless he comes to TC next year and is suddenly in a mind meld with Mahomes and knows exactly where to be all the time, I could see potentially cutting him.

They gave him a bigger role this year and he clearly didn't take advantage of it. I don't expect them to be stupid about him.

This might rank right up there with my moving Thuney to LT idea but since we are likely losing 2 RB's maybe Toney can step in as a 2nd or 3rd RB? He HAS taken a few snaps back there.


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