As they should. But I'll bet not one team will get that fog horn and play it "just like Foxboro!"

No way. Letting the clock run while he chatted about the fumble was pretty funny.

All part of the show.

An inadvertent whistle. Just.. wow.

Tonight was the second most egregious IW I've witnessed.

The first was when Ash Grove flipped the field from their own ~48 to the Marionville 2 on a long catch and run, IIRC. The line judge was a very large man and he had dropped something -probably his bean bag- somewhere near the last LOS. Both Ash Grove and Marionville were set up and ready to go for the umpire to chuck and wind the clock before the fat official realized what was going on. He hustled his portly ass down the side line and hurriedly got to the new LOS at the 2 yard line probably didn't even get an accurate count of eligible receivers on his side of the field before signaling he was ready.

Well, Ash Grove QB rolled left to the LJ's side, chucked a floater cross the goal line, one Comet defender -probably a LB- got a hand on it and deflected it to the corner playing deeper behind him in the EZ. Corner hauls it in and runs it out past the Ash Grove receiver and had 99 yards of free and clear running to house it.

Tweet.

LJ blows it dead and signals a touchback. LMAO.

Marionville lost by a big margin so it didn't wind up mattering, but my God was that an embarrassing course of events for that officiating crew.

I saw an amazing stat. The Pats are something like 67-14 in the AFCE

Lol. Wonder what the Colts record was all those years in that shit show of the AFCS

Using your number, and adding in tonight's win:

Brady is 170-47 in the regular season (.783).
Patriots v. AFCE: 67-14 is .827
Patriots v. the rest of the NFL: 103-33 is .757


So there's not all that big a difference (.07) between the Patriots AFCE record and the Patriots record against the rest of the league.

They're pretty consistent across the board.

The Pats have literally no receivers left. The Broncos will beat them with either QB.

You must be joking. Brock will get pummeled by BB's defense. He will be so nervous it's pathedic. I will authorize Miller and Ward to cheap shot Brady low and end his career. That would be beyond fantastic for the NFL. No Brady would be more fun.

While the IW was very much "wrong" (there's no denying that), don't think for a nanosecond that "QB protection" and "protect the future HoF'er" wasn't central to that error.

Fast forward to the play where the Taylor was actually hurt and you'll and you'll see the Tom Brady/future HoF'er effect. While both hits were legal (although the shove that resulted in Taylor's injury was well after the ball was thrown).....when Tom gets hit the official runs over to make sure he's OK; when Taylor gets hit, well, nothing like that... Perhaps that's all part of "paying your dues" in the NFL, perhaps it has to do with running QBs vs. pocket-passers, but the difference in reaction is pretty undeniable.

And yes, I hate Brady and that Pats, with a passion...

That's an amazing stat

This doesn't make much sense. Blow the whistle before the guy even arrives? Before the QB is even out of bounds? Does that ever really happen? Inadvertent stupid whistle is stupid, and inadvertent.



Another possibility is that Steratore was checking Brady for concussion after that walloping. After the Case Keenum situation blew up, that is entirely possible.

Taylor's hit on that play barely registered. Can't see why anyone would run over to check on him. I'm shocked he somehow hurt his shoulder on that.

Thanks for clarifying because it really wasn't clear at all.

Two lowest scoring defenses in the NFL. Rookie QB on one side. Tom Brady on the other, but on the road, with Gronk and Moe, Larry and Curly as receivers.

Like 17-14 maybe...

Not a rookie, he's got a few years under his belt and has run the team weekly in practices this season. But, I get what you mean.

Denver probably has a few more offensives weapons ready to go this week, which can help Brock. Patriots have to adjust the planning a bit for this one.

and no running game. So no SB either. Unless BB can perform a miracle.

Ok but who will make the Pats go 14-2 ?

I'm not sure if you played football, but you play until the whistle blows. That also means that you stop playing when it blows. It's just my opinion that the whistle, while wrong, was blown because Tom was about to get smooshed, so I think he blew the whistle hoping to keep one of the NFL's more marketable assets playing.

Oh, and yeah, he definitely gave Tom the field concussion test after that hit! Either that or he thought in that little exchange, if he was concussed, Tom being the competitor he's said to be would say, "yeah, now that you ask, I'm feeling consussed, please ignore the guys in the booth who do nothing but watch people for signs of concussions and please have the medical staff come over and start me on a two week vacation."

Look, I'm not looking to fight here, all I'm saying is the SJ saw a really big man who was about to squash your boy, and he took action to keep him alive. It was wrong, but I think it was well intentioned.

That being said, TD or not, I'd be OK with Tom taking even more hits...

Stupid ref!!!!!!

One thing's for sure, I don't see a loss in your season, much less the regular season.

Good luck and kudos to your owner for getting the best people in the most important places.

You don't ahve to play whistle to understand playing until the whistle blows.

I don't think I've ever seen a whistle blown BEFORE a player is even touched, for ANY purpose, unless he gave himself up, or was sliding or whatever, or was ACTUALLY out of bounds.

What you're suggesting makes very little sense. What makes more sense is that the ref screwed up, plain and simple. Because he's human.


Any idiot with eyes could see that Keenum was concussed. I didn't "ask him" anything, but I could see he was concussed. I don't know if the NFL issued any mandates to refs after the Keenum fiasco, but would it surprise you if they did? A "common ****ing sense is he maybe concussed" check? It wouldn't surprise me at all.

That aside, Steratore has reffed like 30 games Brady has been in, I'm sure. You think he and Brady know each other better than Tyrod Taylor? Does that factor in? yeah, probably. Human element.

Maybe, but if so it's stupid, and I disapprove of that for Brady or for ANY OTHER NFL player, because the whistle does NOT blow until the play if ****ing over.


If you root for injuries then I root for karma for you.

You're kidding? Our offense is now Brady, Gronk, and a litany of nobodies. I don't give them a 50/50 chance in Denver next week, which is ****ing annoying because if we were healthy then we'd do just fine against them.

The NFL is a war of attrition, and the Patriots are losing it because ONE SPOT, receiver, is getting pummeled. Of our top 4 pass-catching threats (Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Lewis), we're likely to be playing with only 1 of them. Any ONE player can be eliminated if there is nothing else to worry about.

And, I don't saying that I welcome that beaten up team to Denver this week. That being said, it will be interesting since neither of us appears to believe our team will win.

I'd like to say that with this Denver defense... Thomas and Sanders (back at WR), Daniels and Davis at TE, with Lattimer in the mix... and Hillman and CJ healthy, this team should be able to come up with a game plan with Brock that takes advantage of the game.

I'm just not there yet.

Interesting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-monday-night/

Tom Brady.

Patriots OLine is back, thank God, though some of what the Patriots are doing with them makes no damn sense to me. Cannon sucks at tackle, but if they have to play him at tackle, put Vollmer on the LEFT and Cannon on the RIGHT. Cannon on the left side sucked, got Brady killed, and resulted in the holding call that negated a big pass play.

Otherwise, I just find it hard to see how our crippled offense moves the ball well against a very good Denver defense. As I said, we're down 3 of our top 4 receiving threats, assuming Amendola is out, as seems likely even if it's "only" a sprained MCL or whatever.

Pats have historically been fine against Wade Phillips defenses. Moreso than Rex Ryan's. If we had our full range of guys, I'd expect to win. That holds true in the playoffs also, so if Edelman/Amendola are back, and we don't lose other guys int he meantime, then I'm fine playing Denver at Foxboro or Mile High.

But our defense is very good, and Jaime Collins will be back for the Denver game, which is a big boost. I imagine it will be low-scoring as the Denver offense isn't likely to light it up on us.

Yes, he can compensate for alot, no question. But we went from 500 yards of offense and 40 points against Rex in Buffalo, to 300 yards and 20 points last night at home. There's a reason for that.

Doesn't matter.

Tom Brady.

All I know is that they were hoping this would be a win with Manning, not expecting - hoping. So, Brock should have less pressure on this one, as long as he looks good and they move the ball - he can survive a loss here.

However, if he plays 'good' and the Broncos can win, then it's his job to lose at that point, no matter how healthy Manning is in a few weeks. If they can pull out a win with Brock looking like he did last week, that's going to carry a lot of momentum and give him some confidence and breathing room.

Doesn't matter.
Brock Osweiler

I just don't see how either team wins that game. I think it'll be a loss for both.

ROFL Yeah, he is pretty good. The GOAT, IMHO.

He and Babe Ruth were both the GOATs of the dead ball era.

Babe Ruth ENDED the dead ball era, which is commonly understood to have ended around 1920 or so.

You're right that the entire history of the NFL involved underpressurized balls from the start of the league until the start of the 2015 season, due to the NFL's complete ignorance of the laws of physics. Literally EVERY game in NFL history played in colder temperatures involved underpressurized balls due to the ideal gas law. As the GOAT, he did rule the dead ball era.

:p

Yes, there is. Shitty OL play.

Who said injuries? I just want him rattled. Rattled a lot.

We beat the Donks pretty solidly, in Denver... You'll be fine and Denver will be lucky to score on you.