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Couch-Potato 12-27-2023 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17302499)
What incentive do the Dolphins have to trade Waddle? He's an essential piece of a killer WR group and is cost-controlled for two more years (8m next year and his option will be about 15m). Trading him only saves them about 4m. He's worth keeping for that, no matter their cap situation. If I'm guessing, they'll try to fix their cap by extending Tua, restructuring Chubb, and cutting Ogbah and Baker loose, then trading Ramsey for a soda and popcorn if they can.

The Browns might try to trade Amari Cooper and the 49ers might do well to move Brandon Aiyuk.

Cooper might come relatively cheap given he's going on 30, has 20m per for the next 2 years, and the Browns don't save any more by cutting him versus trading him. Cleveland doesn't have much draft capital this year (a 2, 3, 5, and 6 with all being late picks) so they may take whatever capital they can get within reason. Throwing a 3rd at them might be a decent short-term investment.

The 49ers will be a curious case to watch. They could cut Arik Armstead or Trent Williams with a June 1 designation or they could trade Aiyuk to give themselves some cap relief. Hell, they could do any combination of the 3 depending on how much they want to reload. They may opt to trade Aiyuk for a 1st rounder and then try to move for a LT to replace Williams and cut him loose. Not ideal for KC to trade a 1 and pay a WR when this draft sets them up well just to draft one in the 1st if they want.
Cooper would be a huge get but I think they like him too much in Cleveland.

I hope I'm wrong tho.

JPH83 12-27-2023 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17302956)
Cooper would be a huge get but I think they like him too much in Cleveland.

I hope I'm wrong tho.
Yeah, guy went for over 250 yards in a game, doubt he's going anyway.

kccrow 12-27-2023 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17302956)
Cooper would be a huge get but I think they like him too much in Cleveland.

I hope I'm wrong tho.
Cap issues for them coming up and restructuring Watson is likely to worsen them in 25 and 26, plus it's the final year of Cooper's deal before it voids.

Chris Meck 12-27-2023 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17302499)
What incentive do the Dolphins have to trade Waddle? He's an essential piece of a killer WR group and is cost-controlled for two more years (8m next year and his option will be about 15m). Trading him only saves them about 4m. He's worth keeping for that, no matter their cap situation. If I'm guessing, they'll try to fix their cap by extending Tua, restructuring Chubb, and cutting Ogbah and Baker loose, then trading Ramsey for a soda and popcorn if they can.

The Browns might try to trade Amari Cooper and the 49ers might do well to move Brandon Aiyuk.

Cooper might come relatively cheap given he's going on 30, has 20m per for the next 2 years, and the Browns don't save any more by cutting him versus trading him. Cleveland doesn't have much draft capital this year (a 2, 3, 5, and 6 with all being late picks) so they may take whatever capital they can get within reason. Throwing a 3rd at them might be a decent short-term investment.

The 49ers will be a curious case to watch. They could cut Arik Armstead or Trent Williams with a June 1 designation or they could trade Aiyuk to give themselves some cap relief. Hell, they could do any combination of the 3 depending on how much they want to reload. They may opt to trade Aiyuk for a 1st rounder and then try to move for a LT to replace Williams and cut him loose. Not ideal for KC to trade a 1 and pay a WR when this draft sets them up well just to draft one in the 1st if they want.
some of these guys play too much Madden.

Chris Meck 12-27-2023 06:51 AM
Guys, when proposing these 'trades' for WR's (or any player, really) the first question you should ask yourself is:

If I were that team's GM, would I do this trade?

Because if you can't honestly say yes to that question, then it's probably not worth typing.

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2023 07:18 AM
It’s not my favorite option but the most likely scenario continues to be signing Mooney and taking a WR in the first round. And a TE at some point in the early draft. If we hit on the draft pick it’s a huge upgrade while being resourceful with our $. Also feel like we need to aggressively look for some type of weapon in the late draft. Somewhat of a rb/wr speed option.

I can’t see a scenario where we rely only on the draft for offensive weapons. Veach knows he can’t sell that to the fan base and mahomes one more year.

I also wouldn’t rule out a lot of movement in the FA at WR. Been saying all year the wr market is due for a massive reset.

Dunerdr 12-27-2023 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17302746)
I think Pickens is a legit option.

Hes elite, hes cheap for 2 more years and he hates Pittsburgh
Pickens is the exact same problem we already have with Toney. Elite talent, seemingly not that committed to the game.

Jerm 12-27-2023 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17302977)
It’s not my favorite option but the most likely scenario continues to be signing Mooney and taking a WR in the first round. And a TE at some point in the early draft. If we hit on the draft pick it’s a huge upgrade while being resourceful with our $. Also feel like we need to aggressively look for some type of weapon in the late draft. Somewhat of a rb/wr speed option.

I can’t see a scenario where we rely only on the draft for offensive weapons. Veach knows he can’t sell that to the fan base and mahomes one more year.

I also wouldn’t rule out a lot of movement in the FA at WR. Been saying all year the wr market is due for a massive reset.
If the only moves they make in the WR room is signing Mooney and drafting a WR, there will be a riot at One Arrowhead Drive lol...

O.city 12-27-2023 09:13 AM
With the issues this group has had at WR and how Pat clearly feels about it.....I think it's a bit naive to think they'll just sign a mid tier FA and draft a guy and run back most of it.

Straight, No Chaser 12-27-2023 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17302977)

I can’t see a scenario where we rely only on the draft for offensive weapons. Veach knows he can’t sell that to the fan base and mahomes one more year.

I also wouldn’t rule out a lot of movement in the FA at WR. Been saying all year the wr market is due for a massive reset.
Free Agent WRs ask/cost too much because they are free agents.

Couch-Potato 12-27-2023 09:33 AM
Top Trade Candidates
-Adams
-Cooper
-Ayiuk
-Higgins
-Pickens

Top FA Targets
-Evans
-Pittman
-Lockett?
-Ridley
-Brown

Top mid 1st to late 2nd RD Draft Targets
-Coleman
-Legette
-Egbuka
-Worthy
-Franklyn
-Wilson
-Mitchell
-Thomas
-Polk
-Corley

^If you let Jones & Sneed go (also assuming MVS) you have like $65m to spend, if you keep one or both you're probably more likely to go 1st RD WR.

Couch-Potato 12-27-2023 09:44 AM
Lockett's too good to let go even if you're cap strapped, owe him $15m, and need a QB.

I think they'd be able to pick up his contract and trade him for something, no?

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2023 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17303058)
If the only moves they make in the WR room is signing Mooney and drafting a WR, there will be a riot at One Arrowhead Drive lol...
Yeah I’ve been as vocal as anyone that we need WR help. But I’m ok if we want to do this with the draft as long as we’re aggressive and we nail the evaluation.

If we can get a legit first round WR then that alone helps a ton, and Mooney is just a cherry on top. It’s a hell of a risk because that draft pick better hit and he better be nfl ready. But if it hits then veach looks like a genius. But yeah if we don’t nail the draft pick… wooo buddy

Dunerdr 12-27-2023 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17303104)
Lockett's too good to let go even if you're cap strapped, owe him $15m, and need a QB.

I think they'd be able to pick up his contract and trade him for something, no?
Isn't Lockett like 35? He's not doing what hes done in the past this year either.

chiefzilla1501 12-27-2023 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 17303074)
Free Agent WRs ask/cost too much because they are free agents.
But the wr market is due for a reset.

A lot of vet WRs got really overpaid because so so many QBs were underpaid with most on rookie contracts. These year QBs are probably overpaid.

We also saw a huge influx of draft wr talent. They’re gonna get paid big time.

So a lot of teams have WRs they can’t afford (or soon can’t afford). I also think young WRs are seeing bad qb situations as bad for their career. The WR market is due for a big time reset


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