Which WR do you like or prefer?

He should.

There will be another Worthy next season. Every year there's another fast, slight WR.

Again, we had literally this exact same conversation about Jalin Hyatt last season. And now there's a faster version of him in Worthy this season. And next year there's gonna be another someone who runs really fast and weighs a buck seventy.

These guys exist in every single draft. Take them when you need them. With the Brown signing, we don't need them this year. If you're going to 'redshirt' someone, don't redshirt a speed guy. Redshirt someone like Walker or Leggett who may need some time to understand the nuances of the offense and can take on a more varied role when they do.

I think they pivoted to the model they did out of necessity, not necessarily out of choice, because of what was available. Which is....well smart. Take the guys you have an opportunity to get, build to their skillset and move forward.

If they have a guy they think can be a legit deep threat, top off big play guy, take him and do it. I don't know if that's Worthy or not, but the theory of it would make sense.

Question's a little too broad.

In the first, probably none of them. I think I'm moving away from a 1st round WR and would prefer we go with an OT. I think I like Morgan the most from a combination of ceiling/floor. And if the OT hits and Morris continues to develop, we can move one of those guys into play OG when Smith walks next season.

In the 2nd - really depends on the board. But I think my preference at the moment is 'Tez Walker.

Leggett is my preference. Having Rice and Leggett next year and then drafting a deep threat would be amazing.

If we wait until the 2nd, I hope Malachi Corley somehow drops to us.

Reid has literally never done that, though.

He's always had complementary outside guys. I think his 'perfect world' WR corps is probably the Maclin/Jackson duo. When he had Tyreek Hill and essentially a blank check, he went Hill/Watkins. I think that's the archetype he'd be looking to rebuild here.

"Somehow drops to us"

Corley is like the 15th best WR in this draft.

He should make it to us fairly easily. And I hope we learn from past mistakes and draft someone else. Corley is Skyy Moore 2.0. Small school receivers without standout measurables and no route tree to speak of are NOT 2nd round picks.

He's a 2 year developmental project. You start looking at those guys in the 3rd and you're pleased if you can manage to get them in the 4th.

LMAO Nah, there's not a record breaking 40 every year. That's pretty special. Regardless, it really shouldn't matter because OT is of paramount importance given how uncertain the entire OL will be outside of Taylor come the 2025 off season.

That's what I was saying (badly). I think they want complimentary guys, but they will roll with whatever they get.

There’s one this year and we met with him. Anthony Gould.

He is shorter than Worthy but weighs more. He’s ran a 4.39 but his 10 yard split was the same 1.49 that Worthy put up. He’s got elite explosiveness. Kid is probably a 3rd-4th rd pick if I had to guess.

As for Hollywood, we could extend him next year bc Kelce is almost done and even he knows it. I’d give it 2 more years max before his body can’t keep up anymore. Those injuries started last year and he needed a load management game despite not playing week 1.

Veach signing Irv Smith signals that for me. First time he’s really put effort into TE3 instead of Blake Bell (God he’s slow) or a reclamation project (hi Jody Fortson). Think he knows Kelce is gonna be on a pitch count this year. And let’s be honest: they aren’t gonna keep and pay a 37 year old TE. Even Kelce.

If Kelce’s last year is 2025 you could give Hollywood a 3 year deal Veach loves to do. First year cap hit would be low for Kelce’s last season and then Kelce’s retired and his money goes to Hollywood in 2026.

This is exactly how I feel. Collect WRs that are more versatile and if you can get a pure burner, great. Mahomes/Reid have shown that they don't have to do it one way.

He’s definitely my pick for a late round WR if we decide to go with two. He can sit on the back end of your WR room and return punts/kicks.

Wouldn’t mind Tez Walker but my God I need to convert you guys to the Roman Wilson hype machine.

He is such a good fit for us

Why would they save more by cutting Moore and not Toney? One has two years left, the other has 1 year and both are on rookie deals. I would honestly pay them to go away. They are a detriment to this team.

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Ah.

Yeah, I just think they presently have their complementary duo and now they'll look to continue to broaden/deepen the rest of the WR room with guys who can give us different looks this year. And when they don't have that complementary speed guy next year if Hollywood doesn't work or is too expensive, then they'll find someone else.

Look at it this way - when they went DE in the first round, did they get a guy who played the same style as GK or Omenihu? No, they didn't. They took a guy who presented a different option to their starters who could develop in that rotational role and potentially step up.

He didn't step up, but you can see what their plan was. And I think that's going to be the plan again. I mean it's not like they had Omenihu inked to a 4 year deal or anything; guy had a 2 year contract. He was still going to be viewed as a short-timer.

You take someone like Worthy this year and he doesn't give you a different look from Brown. He's the same dude, IMO. Higher ceiling, but same guy. I just don't think they're looking to go 'developmental' with that 1st round pick if they don't think that development can also potentially add something to this year's roster.

Worthy wouldn't if Brown is healthy and productive, IMO. Walker, Leggette, Pearsal, Wilson, even McConkey or Coleman would (and I don't love either of those guys).

I think Mitchell is ultimately the wild card. If he fell to 32 I could see them liking his combination of traits and size enough to take him at 32 knowing he won't be there at 64. But personally, I don't see enough distinction between him and Walker or Leggette to take him in the 1st rather than one of those guys in the 2nd.

Then again, let's say you take Mitchell in the first and Amegadjie or Patrick Paul in the 2nd. That's not a worse outcome than Morgan in the 1st and Walker in the 2nd. You're just shifting your risk/reward around a little.

It's just gonna depend on the board. If Mitchell's not there and Morgan is, I think the decision gets made for you. If Morgan's not there and Mitchell is, same story.

And hell, when it's all said and done, maybe they're both gone and it ends up being Darius Robinson and we all wasted a bunch of effort on irrelevant thought experiments.

I'm not opposed to Roman Wilson...I think he's one of the more underrated WRs in this draft.

Wouldn't mind him at all, but I wouldn't use a 1st on him and I think he's probably gone by 50. Good polish for a guy with his agility/speed. Nice prospect but lacks the ceiling of a 1st rounder.

He reminds me a bit of Emeka Egbuka before Ebuka decided to stay at Ohio State for a year. Similar sort of fluid route runner and smart player.

Hollywood said he thought KC was going to draft him and obviously they liked the player enough to sign him the first chance they got...

So are we supposed to believe they won't have equally strong feelings about Worthy? Cause I think for the most part, that's the same player.

You could use Worthy year one with low pressure, just be the guy that can blow the top off any given play, and groom him to take over Hollywood's role in 2025 if and when he prices himself out. Learn a thing or two about how Hollywood navigates playing in the league at 170 lbs.

I think there's room for another speed guy. Just make life that much easier on Rice and Kelce; and Hollywood for that matter. When you've got one of these three or so freak of nature QB arms, it's fine and logical.

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Yeah I guess so, IDK that all are created equal though. MVS was a speed guy, Hardman was a speed guy. They don't track the ball on the same level of a Hollywood or Worthy.

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Somebody's excited about their new deep threat:

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holy shit stroupe's gonna turn him into a nuke

Awesome to see him there.

Wonder why other WRs didn’t train w stroup and Pat

I wish I would have known. This is right down the street from me at a place called "Game On" sports arena. Its where my son plays basketball. I'd go there and creep on Mahomes through the window.

Choose your window wisely or you're going on a list.

I mean Worthy and Hyatt are only the same because they're both smaller and they're both really fast, but I think that's where the comparisons end.

From what I remember about Hyatt and from what I have read about Worthy isn't Worthy a much better WR than Hyatt? Worthy has almost elite route running ability and Hyatt was known to have an incredibly limited route tree. Hell this is from Hyatt's NFL.com scouting page;

"Hyatt is ordinary getting in and out of intermediate breaks and might be best with a limited route tree full of slants, crossers and a series of field-stretching patterns"

Its those big windows in the back where you can see the word "GAME" on the wall. That's the entrance hallway by the front desk.

You are doing the exact same thing, the Chiefs have Hollywood who's the same player as Worthy. The Chiefs need complimentary pieces and some say the Chiefs don't use big receivers which is the exact role Kelce is playing and is in his twilight of his career which means the Chiefs will start playing Travis less due to injuries and playing another big receiver more especially if you want to save Kelce up for the playoffs

I am a firm believer that MVS could not catch over the shoulder. He pirouetted on every deep ball to be able to face it incoming. What use is the speed without maximizing its benefit?

Daniel Jeremiah:



Mel Kiper:

Hill didn't do it very well either, though.

Not a lot of guys do. I honestly think it's partly because of the helmets. I don't have a hard time doing it at all without a helmet. I did struggle a bit as a kid with pads on. Your field of vision is diminished quite and sometimes that's all the difference in locating/tracking the football.

If you have to turn your head more to locate the ball because of the reduced field of vision, then you're probably just going to go all the rest of the way around and elevate for it.

Hill did that far more often than he didn't.

****ing hell Mel Kiper is lazy.

Why does anyone read that guy anymore? Last year he had the Chiefs taking a damn QB because "I know they won't do it but I wanted to talk about this guy..."

Now it's "Hey, they don't have an OT but I already picked a bunch so I can't pick another one to them..."

**** off, Mel.

Mel's mocks have increased in quality the last few years actually.

I don't think he got less dumb, I think he started using assistants who whisper things like CJ Stroud is the best QB in the draft to him like last year

I think Moore found some opportunities to train with Mahomes last offseason.

It was a small reason why I thought Moore would breakout. Boy was I wrong LMAO

That explains why Hollywood followed stroupe on Instagram a week before he signed too


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His playing weight was 160 something.


He's tiny.

No way AD Mitchell makes it to 32.


;)

Alpha WR's get taken.

Now just draft some greasy fast kid, and its Legion of Zoom 2.0

He is also a 4.4 guy, not a 4.2 guy.

He's no Bobby Sippio, but if Verch says it's okay, I'm down with it.

FAX THE AGREEABLE

Worthy = Davonta Smith

Not even close.

What, they were talking about size?

Worthy is 5'11 165lbs
Smith is 6'0" 170lbs.

Worthy is similar in size with way more athleticism. I've come around on him if he's our pick, although it may take a year.

Size is similar.

As football players not close.

Devonta was a DOG, went top ten.

Route Running
Hands
Change of Direction

All WAY better than Worthy.

Worthy’s hands scare the hell out of me. Constant focus drops

Worthy is behind


AD Mitchell
Ja'Tavion Sanders

in route running on his own college team.

And those players weigh 40 lbs and 80 lbs more than little Worthy.


LMAO

This is made up. Show your work.

Faster 40 by a huge margin 4.21 to 4.40-4.45(est)
Tested 98 percent in athleticism
Finished #1 among all WR in combined athleticism in the Best wider receiver class.

All Way better than Smith.


Now, that being said, I prefer Ladd McConkey and would be ok if they chose Worthy.

I would rather have Devonta Smith than Mecole Hardman who is faster.

Route running matters.


With you on McConkey. Absolute player.

Yes, I wouldn't be ecstatic if we took him, but would understand the potential, but it would take a year.

Ladd McConkey is plug and play and would be great.

It's an opinion based on watching them.


NFL scouts are raving about AD Mitchell's routes.

Sanders is also slick.

If you like Worthy, you have to promote his speed but his route running won't be a + at the next level.

Yea, I prefer Ladd, but Worthy is better than Hardman. Again, only draft Worthy if you only plan on having Brown one year.

Another thing I love about Ladd is how he EXPLODES immediately when he catches the ball.

Check out Roman Wilson. Very similar type of WR to McConkey. Very fluid in his routes. He fits us better IMO. Plus he’s got a lot of experience working on extended plays

The last time you showed him dropping multiple balls in a game, it was due to him playing with a broken hand, which you seemed to be unaware of.

Outside of that stretch of games or whatever, his hands have been fine. I was far more concerned with Rice's hands after watching the tape, and even after a rough start, he was fine. Non-issue IMO.

He's going to be even more broken if Nagy uses Worthy as a gadget slot.


:evil:

Again, not an issue:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Drop rates for some top WRs in the 2024 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a>:<br><br>• Johnny Wilson: 16.1% ��<br>• Javon Baker: 10.6%<br>• Devontez Walker: 8.5%<br>• Troy Franklin: 7.3%<br>• Keon Coleman: 7.2%<br>• Marvin Harrison Jr: 6.9%<br>• Ladd McConkey: 6.3%<br>• Xavier Worthy: 5.4%<br>• Malik Nabers: 4.9%<br>• Xavier…</p>&mdash; Jacob Infante (@jacobinfante24) <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/1759374099011272978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

• Adonai Mitchell: 1.7%

;)

Yup, great number for him.

I've warmed up to him since the combine and watching Brett Kollman's video on him. I'd be happy with him in the 1st.

I don't even hate Worthy.

Just not excited compared to Adonai, Brian Thomas Jr or McConkey.

That will never happen.

FYI Roman Wilson only dropped 1 pass in 2023

Modsocks and I had a debate about route running and WR's a few drafts ago.

My recollection was he said it was not important or that there was no way to know who was better than another.

So we made a bet by both picking our sleeper WR after the top guys were gone.


He chose John Metchie.

I chose Khalil Shakir.

I'm reading reports that he may be a slot only guy at the next level?

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He's going early 20's now in some mocks.

Mahomie prob promised him a free year of training under him

That kid is better than Skyy Moore

Don't toot your horn too ****ing hard yet. Metchie had to sit out his rookie year with ****ing leukemia. Shakir had a decent 2nd season, I'll give you that much.

Shakir is better.

It will be obvious by the end of this year.

I'm sure he will be. I think you look like an asshat with the constant revisionist history though, honestly. Imagine if staylor, pugs, DJ, myself, etc started doing the same shit? I'd say we got more than a few right over the years.

OMG remember when I was totally on Stefon Diggs? Remember when I pounded the table for Mahomes all offseason? Remember when I kept saying we needed to trade up for Darrisaw? Sound stupid? Yeah. It does.

You win some and you lose some. Just stay on your opinion without the added bullshit and you'll get more respect rather than looking condescending.

You might want to read what I was responding to.

Where someone said I was making it up and to “show my work”.

He asked for it. So I showed my work.
;)

Don't feed the monkey. He's just going to wipe his shit on the wall.

What a sad crybaby you have become.

Glad to see ya around my good man. :thumb:

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