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pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 07:11 PM

What do you want the Chiefs to do with their FAs?
 
This is an idea that's really been going through my head, especially with the Jah Reid re-signing. I think Reid may be provided some camp competition, but I believe they plan to start him next year. Which brings me to this question...

What do you want the FO to do with the rest of our upcoming FAs?

Roughly 31 million in cap space right now and 6 of that goes to draft picks. 25 million left, with potential to go up a couple million via cuts.

Personally, as of this day, I consider Berry, DJ, and Howard must keeps. These guys are playing at their highest levels and they don't have any true potential replacements on the surface. It will be costly to do so as well.

Then, I think if Tamba wants to truly be a Chief for life, you try to bring him back at a discount and hopefully Ford is ready to take over at least half the downs.

I think Marcus Peters' emergence and potential makes Sean Smith the most expendable of the class. If he can grow into the top 10, top 5 corner he can truly be, they need to save the cash here. (Though they likely won't have enough anyway)

Would also like to keep either Abdullah or Branch with the $ left at that point.

Keep in mind-- Kelce, Poe and Fisher are all due the following year and while Fisher will likely receive a 1st round tender for 2017, the other two will command nice contracts as well.

The Chiefs deep talent pool has created a nice problem, and one that fortunately we can wait a little longer to delve into as the 2015 season rolls along. Nonetheless, tough decisions are ahead and I'd like to see what different individuals want to take place.

In the meantime, go Chieeeeeeeeeeefssssssss

O.city 12-21-2015 07:14 PM

They can keep who they want, money shouldn't be an issue.

I love him, but Charles is going to be an interesting case. May end up cut

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 07:16 PM

You think Sean Smith is expendable ???? !!!!

You're a dumbass !

CapsLockKey 12-21-2015 07:17 PM

I thought Howard was already given an extension. At least I recall hearing there were talks recently.

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:17 PM

It's all going to depend on who is asking for what.

offensive needs:
RT
TE
WR

Defensive needs:
CB
CB
MLB

ToxSocks 12-21-2015 07:17 PM

Pay them all the monies!

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11969239)
You think Sean Smith is expendable ???? !!!!

You're a dumbass !

Sorry that I don't think it's a good idea to give a 29 year old corner 10 million a year when you have a kid coming up with elite potential? :shrug:

SAUTO 12-21-2015 07:19 PM

I can't see them cutting Charles

milkman 12-21-2015 07:19 PM

I think we need to draft DJ's replacement, unless he gives a hometown discount, and keep Smith.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969233)
They can keep who they want, money shouldn't be an issue.

I love him, but Charles is going to be an interesting case. May end up cut

I get what you're saying, but given that Andy has praised Jamaal as one of the greatest backs ever, I can't see them cutting him loose after an injury.

And it may be better for the team, I don't know, but I wouldn't bank on it.

O.city 12-21-2015 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11969253)
I can't see them cutting Charles

I don't think k they will, but man, I dunno.

O.city 12-21-2015 07:22 PM

I think dj has been the most important player on the defense this year, with Hali being a close 2nd.

milkman 12-21-2015 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969249)
Sorry that I don't think it's a good idea to give a 29 year old corner 10 million a year when you have a kid coming up with elite potential? :shrug:

You keep the best corners for as long as you can while they remain productive.

We don't know yet what we have with Gaines.

Peters would be your only sure thing.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969261)
You keep the best corners for as long as you can while they remain productive.

We don't know yet what we have with Gaines.

Peters would be your only sure thing.

This is true, but to give out a big contract to a guy like that for past production could cripple the team for a couple years financially.

If they like what they've seen out of Nelson and Gaines, even in practice, and they like the draft class, I'm not sure you keep him.

I still remember Gaines being named a year two breakout player by Louis Riddick on ESPN this August. I think they like him a lot, and most everyone comes back as good or better from ACL's these days. Hopefully it's the case here.

BossChief 12-21-2015 07:28 PM

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With rollover, we will have 40m in cap space.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 07:30 PM

Forgot about the rollover, thanks Boss

Also, does anyone know the max amount that can be rolled over?

I mean surely a team with 30 mill of space right now can't roll all of that over...

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 07:30 PM

Keep everyone but Avant and Stephenson

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969278)
With rollover, we will have 40m in cap space.

Jah Reid's on that list so I don't know how that affects the $40 million number?

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969249)
Sorry that I don't think it's a good idea to give a 29 year old corner 10 million a year when you have a kid coming up with elite potential? :shrug:

Peters is great , he's gonna have his own Island but he can't cover both sides of the field.

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969278)
With rollover, we will have 40m in cap space.

People on CP are saying give almost 20 million of that to Eric Berry and Sean Smith. Who knows, Smith might be asking for more than 10 mill per.

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969286)
People on CP are saying give almost 20 million of that to Eric Berry and Sean Smith. Who knows, Smith might be asking for more than 10 mill per.

The average might be ten but the true number could be considerably less

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11969285)
Peters is great , he's gonna have his own Island but he can't cover both sides of the field.

Need 3 cornerbacks that can basically start ... 2 edge, 1 slot

Need another 2 imo as viable backups who can step in during injury and play special teams.

5 corner backs needed in this pass happy NFL imo

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969256)
I think we need to draft DJ's replacement, unless he gives a hometown discount, and keep Smith.

This would be our best move, if we could find the next Kuechly it would be our best investment.

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11969291)
The average might be ten but the true number could be considerably less

very true, team can backload to help the cap

BossChief 12-21-2015 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969286)
People on CP are saying give almost 20 million of that to Eric Berry and Sean Smith. Who knows, Smith might be asking for more than 10 mill per.

Those 2 change the way opposing teams play us and take the ball away both directly and indirectly.

I'd rank priority of re-signing our guys like this

Berry
Howard
Smith
DJ
Allen
Branch/Abdullah
Devito

BossChief 12-21-2015 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969298)
very true, team can backload to help the cap

We just pay their first year salary as a signing bonus to make their cap number what we want year 1.

We've been doing that for awhile.

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969309)
Those 2 change the way opposing teams play us and take the ball away both directly and indirectly.

I'd rank priority of re-signing our guys like this

Berry
Howard
Smith
DJ
Allen
Branch/Abdullah
Devito

for me:

Howard (top priority to keep with a bullet)
Smith(no options on roster)


DJ
Berry (drops due to anticipated salary demands. Maybe not :shrug: )
Branch
Devito
Allen (just can't stay healthy, probably need to move on)

chiefzilla1501 12-21-2015 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969298)
very true, team can backload to help the cap

Given our QB situation, it makes total sense. Draft a QB early. Go all-in the next few years. Consider a reset in a few years when Alex is done and transition the team to a new QB with some rebuild.

Front-load veterans like Sean Smith and DJ. Backload the shit out of younger guys like Howard and Poe.

BossChief 12-21-2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969322)
for me:

Howard
Smith


DJ
Berry (drops due to salary anticipated salary demands. Maybe not :shrug: )
Branch
Devito
Allen (just can't stay healthy, probably need to move on)

Eric Berry is the emotional leader of the team.

He's easily priority 1. He won't be hard to get a deal done with, though.

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969333)
Eric Berry is the emotional leader of the team.

He's easily priority 1. He won't be hard to get a deal done with, though.

We have no idea what he'll be asking for

I just ASSume since he made so much in previous contract that he isn't going to ask for less now. That is a lot for a safety. We have like 5 capable safeties on team now and let another good one(kurt coleman) go last FA period because had so many

milkman 12-21-2015 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969333)
Eric Berry is the emotional leader of the team.

He's easily priority 1. He won't be hard to get a deal done with, though.

Is Berry really the emotional leader?

I am a big Berry fan, but from my couch, it sure looks like Peters is that guy already.

chiefzilla1501 12-21-2015 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11969339)
We have no idea what he'll be asking for

I just ASSume since he made so much in previous contract that he isn't going to ask for less now. That is a lot for a safety. We have like 5 capable safeties on team now and let another good one(kurt coleman) go last FA period because had so many

Safety is a tough one for me too. I love how Abdullah and Branch are playing. And I cringe thinking about the years with Kendrick Lewis. But three years straight we've gotten a guy off the street to play well for us for ridiculously cheap. I can't imagine we keep all 3. We have to make tough choices somewhere.

BossChief 12-21-2015 07:53 PM

Eric Berry deserves to be the highest paid safety in the NFL because he is the best safety in the NFL. The fact he's the emotional leader of this team is a bonus.

The only way they shouldn't make him the highest paid safety is if ERIC BERRY cones to the table asking for less.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969351)
Is Berry really the emotional leader?

I am a big Berry fan, but from my couch, it sure looks like Peters is that guy already.

I think Berry is THAT guy and Peters is the next generation and supplying the team with a huge amount of enthusiasm. It's a great combination with Berry beating Cancer all to hell at the same time.

BossChief 12-21-2015 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969351)
Is Berry really the emotional leader?

I am a big Berry fan, but from my couch, it sure looks like Peters is that guy already.

When you get a minute, go watch the pre game rallies and the post game celebrations in the locker room.

When Berry speaks, everyone shuts up and listens.

That role was Houston and is being filled by Berry right now and he's impressive at it.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:07 PM

Berry needs to be kept. 110% must. He's a 'game changer' in the NFL.

Let's not forget that Ron Parker has been our NB when we aren't in base defense since week 4 and has looked damn good. He has been a true hybrid this year. Again, makes SS more expendable....

milkman 12-21-2015 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969397)
When you get a minute, go watch the pre game rallies and the post game celebrations in the locker room.

When Berry speaks, everyone shuts up and listens.

That role was Houston and is being filled by Berry right now and he's impressive at it.

The Chiefs web site?

BossChief 12-21-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969400)
The Chiefs web site?

Yes

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:13 PM

Anyone who thinks we're cutting one of the greatest RBs of all time has officially lost their ****ing mind!

Hali is already signed so he isn't a FA. DJ, Berry, and Howard are your must keeps - Tier 1
Smith, Abdullah, and Branch are your keep if you can - Tier 2 and your Stephenson and Allen are your don't re sign - Tier 3

Mr. Laz 12-21-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11969351)
Is Berry really the emotional leader?

I am a big Berry fan, but from my couch, it sure looks like Peters is that guy already.

If Peters isn't now, he will be soon.

Seems to me that we missed DJ more when he was gone.

In no way am i saying that i don't like Berry, or don't want him, he's one of our best.

There is just always a price to be set.

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11969418)
Anyone who thinks we're cutting one of the greatest RBs of all time has officially lost their ****ing mind!

Hali is already signed so he isn't a FA. DJ, Berry, and Howard are your must keeps - Tier 1
Smith, Abdullah, and Branch are your keep if you can - Tier 2 and your Stephenson and Allen are your don't re sign - Tier 3

Dorsey >penbrook

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:20 PM

Berry and DJ are locks to return.

Howard is in talks right now.

The question will be: how do we keep Sean Smith? In my opinion you threaten him with the tag if he's asking for the moon, draft a CB in round 1, then let him loose in 2017 if he doesn't come down.

If he does come down at any point, you ink him.

Abdullah and Branch have probably played themselves out of a contract here. They'll be starters like Kurt Coleman was. So long and thanks for all the fish.

You can re-sign Sorensen on the cheap and Dorsey has a knack for landing excellent free agent safeties on the cheap. He's amazing at it.

I let Allen an Stephenson walk. I let DeVito walk, too -- he's played himself out of a contract for us.

As for Hali, I make it very clear: you'll have to sign a bargain deal with us, but if you do, you get whatever you want. You can sit out 50% of our practices, you can split snaps with Ford, you can get the best seat on the bus, whatever.

If he's not down for that, we wish him well and roll with Ford.

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:20 PM

Good thing about Dorsey is that say Smith does command 10 mil a year he will find a way to make the deal seem genius! A la Parker deal

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:20 PM

And, by the way, I keep Charles. WTF.

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11969439)
Berry and DJ are locks to return.

Howard is in talks right now.

The question will be: how do we keep Sean Smith? In my opinion you threaten him with the tag if he's asking for the moon, draft a CB in round 1, then let him loose in 2017 if he doesn't come down.

If he does come down at any point, you ink him.

Abdullah and Branch have probably played themselves out of a contract here. They'll be starters like Kurt Coleman was. So long and thanks for all the fish.

You can re-sign Sorensen on the cheap and Dorsey has a knack for landing excellent free agent safeties on the cheap. He's amazing at it.


I let Allen an Stephenson walk. I let DeVito walk, too -- he's played himself out of a contract for us.

As for Hali, I make it very clear: you'll have to sign a bargain deal with us, but if you do, you get whatever you want. You can sit out 50% of our practices, you can split snaps with Ford, you can get the best seat on the bus, whatever.

If he's not down for that, we wish him well and roll with Ford.

Hali is better than Ford! He already has a deal in which he can make more money by reaching 8 sacks, 10 sacks and 12 sacks on the season.

O.city 12-21-2015 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11969439)
Berry and DJ are locks to return.

Howard is in talks right now.

The question will be: how do we keep Sean Smith? In my opinion you threaten him with the tag if he's asking for the moon, draft a CB in round 1, then let him loose in 2017 if he doesn't come down.

If he does come down at any point, you ink him.

Abdullah and Branch have probably played themselves out of a contract here. They'll be starters like Kurt Coleman was. So long and thanks for all the fish.

You can re-sign Sorensen on the cheap and Dorsey has a knack for landing excellent free agent safeties on the cheap. He's amazing at it.

I let Allen an Stephenson walk. I let DeVito walk, too -- he's played himself out of a contract for us.

As for Hali, I make it very clear: you'll have to sign a bargain deal with us, but if you do, you get whatever you want. You can sit out 50% of our practices, you can split snaps with Ford, you can get the best seat on the bus, whatever.

If he's not down for that, we wish him well and roll with Ford.

I think you've gotta keep one of branch or abdullah.

Branch has been a great signing for us

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969446)
I think you've gotta keep one of branch or abdullah.

Branch has been a great signing for us

Abdullah was great before he got injured as well. You resign both if you can

O.city 12-21-2015 08:24 PM

I'd be ok with dj, berry and howard, let everyone else walk,

Take that money and sign Wilkerson

BossChief 12-21-2015 08:26 PM

We're already in talks with Howard?

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:27 PM

In 2013, we signed Abdullah for nothing.

2014, Kurt Coleman.

This year, Tyvon Branch.

Trust Dorsey at safety. The guy is Midas at finding cheap free agent safeties.

milkman 12-21-2015 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969453)
We're already in talks with Howard?

Mentioned in a tweet a week or 3 ago.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:28 PM

Damn it. For the last time, Tamba Hali is not on the roster after this season. His 5-year deal from 2011 expires after the 2015 season.

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969453)
We're already in talks with Howard?

Saw that news weeks ago.

SAUTO 12-21-2015 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969451)
I'd be ok with dj, berry and howard, let everyone else walk,

Take that money and sign Wilkerson

I always thought Jimmy Wilkerson got a bad deal here. I think it's a good idea to give him another shot too

BossChief 12-21-2015 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969451)
I'd be ok with dj, berry and howard, let everyone else walk,

Take that money and sign Wilkerson

How is Wilkerson gonna get on the field?

Howard, Bailey and Poe all play a lot.

MW is gonna want a lot.

Sean Smith gives us more impact, IMO.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969451)
I'd be ok with dj, berry and howard, let everyone else walk,

Take that money and sign Wilkerson


If you're getting Wilkerson, there's no point in signing Jaye.

SAUTO 12-21-2015 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969458)
Damn it. For the last time, Tamba Hali is not on the roster after this season. His 5-year deal from 2011 expires after the 2015 season.

extension to lessen his cap # this year. He technically has four more years iirc but they are void years

BossChief 12-21-2015 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969458)
Damn it. For the last time, Tamba Hali is not on the roster after this season. His 5-year deal from 2011 expires after the 2015 season.

If he wants to play, he will be welcomed back. He won't play elsewhere.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11969467)
extension to lessen his cap # this year. He technically has four more years iirc but they are void years

Almost all of the talk about Tamba's future suggests he's gone after this year if we don't resign him?

Confusing.

O.city 12-21-2015 08:32 PM

Fine, let howard walk, cut charles.

Wilkerson plus Sean smith

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-21-2015 08:33 PM

where's phil taylor ?

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:35 PM

Wilkerson is going to want LeBron money.

We're getting virtually the same player in Wilkerson at half the price.

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11969478)
where's phil taylor ?

Riding the bench in Cleveland.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11969474)
Fine, let howard walk, cut charles.

Wilkerson plus Sean smith

I think Wilkerson is gonna approach 100 million.

O.city 12-21-2015 08:38 PM

True.

O.city 12-21-2015 08:38 PM

I would rather invest at rt more than Jah reid

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:40 PM

Well the Jah Reid signing guarantees the Chuefs won't have to force a signing or a high pick at tackle unless they find a player they truly love.

Reid also ensures they don't have to re-sign Allen or Stephenson.

SAUTO 12-21-2015 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969472)
Almost all of the talk about Tamba's future suggests he's gone after this year if we don't resign him?

Confusing.

Because he has no actual salary next year. All money on books next year had already been paid iirc.

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11969499)
Because he has no actual salary next year. All money on books next year had already been paid iirc.

No he signed a 4 year extension! Basically if he wants to play another year they will pay him but if wants to retire than there is no cap hit!

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:43 PM

Also, on Over the Cap it says Hali is a FA after this year

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11969497)
Well the Jah Reid signing guarantees the Chiefs won't have to force a signing or a high pick at tackle unless they find a player they truly love.

Reid also ensures they don't have to re-sign Allen or Stephenson.

It would be outright dumb not to re-sign Allen.

He's their best LG and RT and his injuries mean he will come dirt cheap.

Stephenson can gorge himself on a Titanic sized bag of dicks.

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11969501)
Also, on Over the Cap says Hali is a FA after this year

He signed a one year deal.

I expect him to do the same next year, unless he decides to retire.

penbrook 12-21-2015 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11969504)
He signed a one year deal.

I expect him to do the same next year, unless he decides to retire.

He's on a year by year basis

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11969503)
It would be outright dumb not to re-sign Allen.

He's their best LG and RT and his injuries mean he will come dirt cheap.

Stephenson can gorge himself on a Titanic sized bag of dicks.

$$$$$

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11969506)
$$$$$

What?

Besides the fact this was a stupid post, which team is going to offer this broke dick, who missed 15 games last year and numerous games this year, big money?

Are you new?

SAUTO 12-21-2015 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11969500)
No he signed a 4 year extension! Basically if he wants to play another year they will pay him but if wants to retire than there is no cap hit!

Wrong. He has no salary next year.

ThaVirus 12-21-2015 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11969464)
How is Wilkerson gonna get on the field?



Howard, Bailey and Poe all play a lot.



MW is gonna want a lot.



Sean Smith gives us more impact, IMO.


Uh, Wilkerson would start here from day 1.

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2015 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11969511)
Uh, Wilkerson would start here from day 1.

Wilkinson won't be a Chief.

Direckshun 12-21-2015 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11969509)
What?

Besides the fact this was a stupid post, which team is going to offer this broke dick, who missed 15 games last year and numerous games this year, big money?

Are you new?

Offensive line play was probably at a 20 year low in quality this year in the NFL.

Any OL who isn't completely worthless is about to get overpaid or overdrafted. Dramatically.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-21-2015 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11969511)
Uh, Wilkerson would start here from day 1.

But again, we won't have to worry about it cause we can't pay him and Houston 16+ mil a year like the Jets will have to.


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