There can be only one: Crunchy or Puffy Cheetos?

[Fire Me Boy!]

What say you? You don't get to say both, you have to choose.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

You can eat 'em now. Just brush your braced teeth afterwards like you would after a tuna sandwich. Ha! I had braces once myself.

Does it get the hairs out?

[BucEyedPea]

You tell me.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Have you ever tasted the one labeled natural? I bet you haven't.

That brand does taste better and I've had both. The brand saying it's natural states no MSG and uses organic corn. Both affect flavor. Organic corn meal retains some of the hull and all of the germ which increases flavor while providing extra vitamins—like any other whole food.

Plus the one you're not making fun of says it additionally adds artificial flavor. I wonder what it is, since food manufacturers don't have to label everything.Must be why it tastes like cardboard. Expeller-pressed sunflower oil means it's not extracted using harsh chemicals. It's also a good oil for you. The non-natural one just says vegetable oil. I wonder what that is? I can imagine. Then the non-natural one lists in parens all the supplemental nutrients it had to add whereas the natural one doesn't need to as organic carries more nutrients naturally. So does expeller-pressed sunflower oil.

Not saying this is a health food per se, as it's just a snack food but it tastes better to me and I try to avoid msg in anything. That's a health plus. ( No matter what fish says because he probably is in the MSG camp that is safe because the FDA says so. )

So it qualifies as being able to say "natural" because it is more natural. You need to know nutrition well enough to read an ingredient list properly to know the difference.

No. I haven't eaten them. They may be the best thing since sliced bread. But looking at the ingredients, I'm. Not going to drop the dough on them. They're the same damn thing.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

No. I haven't eaten them. They may be the best thing since sliced bread. But looking at the ingredients, I'm. Not going to drop the dough on them. They're the same damn thing.

Ah so it's really a price issue. Well you don't have to drop a dime on them but if you're going to judge and make a claim they're not different despite the label...well then what can I say.

Just because two packages have the same things doesn't mean those same things are the same quality. Even brands can vary. If they're both cheese puffs they have to be the same in that aspect, just like a potato chip is a potato chip. In this case not everything is even the same. Only if you don't know what makes something organic or more natural or know ingredients.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Ah so it's really a price issue. Well you don't have to drop a dime on them but if you're going to judge and make a claim they're not different despite the label...well then what can I say.

Just because two packages have the same things doesn't mean those same things are the same quality. Even brands can vary. If they're both cheese puffs they have to be the same in that aspect, just like a potato chip is a potato chip. In this case not everything is even the same. Only if you don't know what makes something organic or more natural or know ingredients.

No. It's not a price issue. [rant] It is a function of me being absolutely skeptical of anything "organic", "all natural", "naturally raised", etc.

You can think what you want, but the difference between organic corn and BT corn is one fully digestible protein. One protein. There is a good bit of organic corn grown here and a shitton of organic wheat. I've ate organic corn off the combine. I've ate organic wheat off the combine. It's the same shit. It tastes the same. There is an organic mill here. I've ate their products, flour, corn chips, etc. It's the same.

By the same token, I've seen what they grow. Most guys around here run a wheat-sorghum-fallow rotation, while the organic guys run wheat-fallow rotation and their wheat is probably 1/2 of standard production and there is no sorghum crop. On the corn, I've watched those goofy ****ers plow water into irrigated corn to yield 30 bu/acre, all the while I'm growing 200 bushel corn on a lot less water. Moreover, their crops are always N deficient. Every time. There is no way to get sufficient N for a cereal grain crop organically.

All that inefficiency leads to EXACTLY the same product. Do you know how they certify organic? It isn't like protein grades, testweight grades, starch content, TDN, any of those. Those are based on the seed. They certify organic by taking the producers word for it that they used no commercial fertilizers or herbicides. That is because there is no way to test organic cereals from commercially raised. All the while, GMO products are the most scrutinized foods available. And herbicides/chemicals are ridiculously regulated. If there was any way for the FDA to butt**** Monsanto/Syngenta/DuPont/Bayer by denying their products market access, they're going to do it.

So from my perspective, it is a bunch of ****ing hokum. And then I get mental midgets telling me that all commercial grain production should switch to organic BECUZ IT AR GUDER. And those same jackasses want to tell me it will work everywhere, when I watch dudes that have been doing it for decades **** off almost all the resources at their disposal for meager production.

So no. I'm not going to go rush out and spend $2/bag extra for cheetos because they have organic cornmeal.

I admittedly don't know anything about all natural, but it is almost always in conjunction with Non-GMO and organic bullshit, which is just ****ing magic fairy dust.

I understand whole foods/unprocessed foods, and on the whole, I agree with that. But excuse me if I'm not going to rush right out and jump on the organic/non-GMO/All natural bullshit bandwagon.

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[Pablo]

That may settle the great cheeto debate.

[KCUnited]

I like to crush a bunch of puffs and use my finger to slide off all the build up around my teeth. It's like eating a faux cheese flavored marshmallow.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

No. It's not a price issue. [rant] It is a function of me being absolutely skeptical of anything "organic", "all natural", "naturally raised", etc.

You can think what you want, but the difference between organic corn and BT corn is one fully digestible protein. One protein. There is a good bit of organic corn grown here and a shitton of organic wheat. I've ate organic corn off the combine. I've ate organic wheat off the combine. It's the same shit. It tastes the same. There is an organic mill here. I've ate their products, flour, corn chips, etc. It's the same.

By the same token, I've seen what they grow. Most guys around here run a wheat-sorghum-fallow rotation, while the organic guys run wheat-fallow rotation and their wheat is probably 1/2 of standard production and there is no sorghum crop. On the corn, I've watched those goofy ****ers plow water into irrigated corn to yield 30 bu/acre, all the while I'm growing 200 bushel corn on a lot less water. Moreover, their crops are always N deficient. Every time. There is no way to get sufficient N for a cereal grain crop organically.

All that inefficiency leads to EXACTLY the same product. Do you know how they certify organic? It isn't like protein grades, testweight grades, starch content, TDN, any of those. Those are based on the seed. They certify organic by taking the producers word for it that they used no commercial fertilizers or herbicides. That is because there is no way to test organic cereals from commercially raised. All the while, GMO products are the most scrutinized foods available. And herbicides/chemicals are ridiculously regulated. If there was any way for the FDA to butt**** Monsanto/Syngenta/DuPont/Bayer by denying their products market access, they're going to do it.

So from my perspective, it is a bunch of ****ing hokum. And then I get mental midgets telling me that all commercial grain production should switch to organic BECUZ IT AR GUDER. And those same jackasses want to tell me it will work everywhere, when I watch dudes that have been doing it for decades **** off almost all the resources at their disposal for meager production.

So no. I'm not going to go rush out and spend $2/bag extra for cheetos because they have organic cornmeal.

I admittedly don't know anything about all natural, but it is almost always in conjunction with Non-GMO and organic bullshit, which is just ****ing magic fairy dust.

I understand whole foods/unprocessed foods, and on the whole, I agree with that. But excuse me if I'm not going to rush right out and jump on the organic/non-GMO/All natural bullshit bandwagon.

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But those cheetos don't taste the same. That means something is different in the recipe. Could be the msg since it's a flavor enhancer used but a natural brand wouldn't touch. What you like is another matter entirely. Organic has more nutrients.

I am not asking you to change anything. Never did. This was a poll and I posted about what I liked and ate, and why. You challenged it as bogus opening the debate claiming they were identical.

The bottom line still is, that brand being called "natural" is totally worthy of that description based on the kind of ingredients in it which are not identical to the other brand.
Even if just the added MSG. That's why I examined the list and posted about it.

Don't get me wrong, lots of commercial foods do toss around the word "natural" when it really isn't what would be expected. I have had to read labels due to food allergies and hidden ingredients.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

But those cheetos don't taste the same. That means something is different in the recipe. Could be the msg since it's a flavor enhancer used but a natural brand wouldn't touch. What you like is another matter entirely. Organic has more nutrients.

It could taste different, but I doubt it. I was merely trying to point out that they aren't that different.

Organic absolutely positively does not under any circumstances have more nutrients. No way, no how. Not even a little bit. A lot of times in the organic fruit and vegetable markets, they harvest non-organic produce when it is more mature, which adds taste. I'm not sure about the nutrient production, if it is harvested early enough, it could possibly have less nutrients if it hasn't reached physiological maturity. But that is 100% a function of harvest function, so they can store them longer and sell them throughout the year. You pick standard production produce at the same time as organic, it would taste the same.

Moreover, do you know WHY they can't harvest organic early? Because the produce would be tiny. Organic production cannot keep pace with standard production, because there is no way to deliver enough nutrition to the plant organically, so the stressed plants produce smaller fruit. So it has to be fully matured out when they harvest it and get it to the store.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I am not asking you to change anything. Never did. This was a poll and I posted about what I liked and ate, and why. You challenged it as bogus opening the debate claiming they were identical.

I know. My rant responded to is your question as to whether it is a price issue. I didn't say they were identical. I said, "There not really very different, except for organic cornmeal vs enriched cornmeal." I missed the MSG, but there are also a bunch of goofy ass chemicals that I don't know what they are or do, too.

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

The bottom line still is, that brand being called "natural" is totally worthy of that description based on the kind of ingredients in it which are not identical to the other brand.
Even if just the added MSG. That's why I examined the list and posted about it.

Don't get me wrong, lots of commercial foods do toss around the word "natural" when it really isn't what would be expected. I have had to read labels due to food allergies and hidden ingredients.

Believe what you want, but as long as they're still associating with that bullshit non-GMO/Organic crowd, I'll stay the **** away.

And FWIW, my anger/frustration isn't aimed solely at you. It's just a sore ass subject for me. It'd be like if everyone said, anybody in Marketing that doesn't meet face to face with the client is ****ing doing wrong. And then everybody believed it. You'd be frustrated too, and it is no less ridiculous.