Football Off-season WR possibilities - Page 16

Reerun_KC · 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Yes, they need to do something. But it can't be the only thing.

No, of course not. But they spent all these picks on defense so now we have a good, young cheap group of players there.

We only need to pay Sneed.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Veach and Reid got high on their own supply.

Both undervalue the WR position and they thought they could moneyball it even further.

They add DHop at 10-12 cap hit this year and one more viable NFL WR this team walks to the SFC Championship at Arrowhead for 6th straight year.

There's nothing wrong with Moneyball in theory. Moneyball is playing for a SB.

They swung for a SB and it looks like they missed.

But I want them to keep playing Moneyball, just re-evaluate, not panic.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

There's nothing wrong with Moneyball in theory. Moneyball is playing for a SB.

They swung for a SB and it looks like they missed.

But I want them to keep playing Moneyball, just re-evaluate, not panic.

I'm fine with doing it on defense because our scouts naturally hit there and we have Spags who can manufacture a good defense with just a few paid players and draft picks.

But no more with the WR position, they aren't good at it.

RunKC · 12-27-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Other teams seem to be using void years in a creative way. Tampa did this with Brady too. He was being paid $35M of cash with cap hits around $15M because of the void years.

Cleveland handed Deshaun Watson a fully guaranteed contract at $46M of cash per year, and yet his cap hits have only been $9.4M and $19M in the first two years of the deal. I know they added void year stuff after the fact to help cheat the cap as much as possible. Supposedly his cap hits will be jumping north of $63M very soon, but we'll see what other tricks the Cleveland front office has up their sleeves.

They did have an extremely cap friendly deal already in place and Mahomes wanted more.

Part of the reason Brady won so much was because he took less money. Mahomes chose money and have his cap hits raised to have his average per year bc what the other paid QB's are getting.

I hope Mahomes is happy taking more money bc it's gonna be really gonna be hard for this organization to move forward with less money and picking late in the draft every year.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

No, of course not. But they spent all these picks on defense so now we have a good, young cheap group of players there.

We only need to pay Sneed.

I'm not sure if you are the one I necessarily disagree with.

But I don't think the team can afford...

At least if your goal is to win SBs

...to trade a first for a vet that will also need a big contract. Or to give up a lot of draft capital to move up high in the first.

You need cost controlled talent on rookie contracts with Mahomes contract.

But I do agree that weapons are needed especially since Kelce is clearly past his prime.

DRM08 · 12-27-2023, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Chiefs did have a perfect contract in place paying him a team friendly contract. They were on track to pay Patrick Mahomes $46.7 million, $48.3 million and $44.4 million from 2024-2026.

Mahomes came to the table and wanted more money. And Clark Hunt is paying his ass $210 million in the next 3 years after this one, so anyone getting pissed at Clark Hunt can **** off bc that's the most any player has ever made over a 4 year span.

Mahomes agent said that him and the Chiefs will plan on revisiting the contract again once those 4 years play out.

Anyone bitching about how much Mahomes makes should point the finger directly at Mahomes bc the Chiefs had the awesome team friendly deal in place to help the cap.

Mahomes chose to go with money and I bet more than anything he regrets it after what's happened with his WR's this year.

Lamar Jackson is being paid the same amount of cash as Mahomes over this time period, yet Lamar has legit weapons and a legit defense as well. Lamar numbers:

2023 to 2025 features $155M of cash, but only $97M cap hit. So $52M per year of cash and only $32M per year cap hit. His cap hits are supposed to jump above $74M in 2026 & 2027, but we will see what happens. Baltimore will probably have some tricks up their sleeve to dodge those higher cap hits.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

I'm not sure if you are the one I necessarily disagree with.

But I don't think the team can afford...

At least if your goal is to win SBs

...to trade a first for a vet that will also need a big contract. Or to give up a lot of draft capital to move up high in the first.

You need cost controlled talent on rookie contracts with Mahomes contract.

But I do agree that weapons are needed especially since Kelce is clearly past his prime.

Look at it this way. If I told you we take Zay Flowers from the Ravens and put them on KC and that makes us the #1 seed and likely we beat them and go to the Superbowl are you ok with paying that 1st round pick plus another pick to get that difference maker on rookie contract that is cost-controlled?

We aren't building. We are the defending SB Champions in our prime window.

So use draft capital to get the future star WR that can play next year AND sign a FA vet WR older on a 2 year deal high that expires.

DRM08 · 12-27-2023, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

They did have an extremely cap friendly deal already in place and Mahomes wanted more.

Part of the reason Brady won so much was because he took less money. Mahomes chose money and have his cap hits raised to have his average per year bc what the other paid QB's are getting.

I hope Mahomes is happy taking more money bc it's gonna be really gonna be hard for this organization to move forward with less money and picking late in the draft every year.

Brady didn't start the massive discounts until later in his career, conveniently after he married a supermodel with a net worth above $500 million. At one point he was the highest paid guy in the league before he got into his 30's.

Mahomes was drastically underpaid for years. Go take a look at his cash flow in 2020, 2021, and 2022. Then go take a look at the cash flow of other dudes who signed new contracts going back many years (even before Patrick's contract in 2020). His signing bonus was only $10 million, which is a joke. Dak Prescott received $75 million in Year 1 of his new contract. Lamar just got $80 million in Year 1 of his deal. These guys have stacked rosters around them despite the cash going into their pockets.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Lamar Jackson is being paid the same amount of cash as Mahomes over this time period, yet Lamar has legit weapons and a legit defense as well. Lamar numbers:

2023 to 2025 features $155M of cash, but only $97M cap hit. So $52M per year of cash and only $32M per year cap hit. His cap hits are supposed to jump above $74M in 2026 & 2027, but we will see what happens. Baltimore will probably have some tricks up their sleeve to dodge those higher cap hits.

I told people to watch Baltimore and they just took our #1 spot while they showered their QB with weapons while we took our QB weapons away.

DRM08 · 12-27-2023, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I told people to watch Baltimore and they just took our #1 spot while they showered their QB with weapons while we took our QB weapons away.

And they're paying Lamar the same cash, so you can't argue that the money for Mahomes is the problem. Poor evaluation of receivers (including MVS/Toney/Skyy), a rookie WR coach who looks like he just graduated high school, overpaying Jawaan Taylor $20M per year, etc.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Look at it this way. If I told you we take Zay Flowers from the Ravens and put them on KC and that makes us the #1 seed and likely we beat them and go to the Superbowl are you ok with paying that 1st round pick plus another pick to get that difference maker on rookie contract that is cost-controlled?

We aren't building. We are the defending SB Champions in our prime window.

So use draft capital to get the future star WR that can play next year AND sign a FA vet WR older on a 2 year deal high that expires.

Trading a first for a cost controlled WR is different than giving up a first for a WR that immediately requires a new makert rate contract as part of that deal.

Sure, if in this off season you could get Zay for KC's first and another pick...

Have at it...

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Trading a first for a cost controlled WR is different than giving up a first for a WR that immediately requires a new makert rate contract as part of that deal.

Sure, if in this off season you could get Zay for KC's first and another pick...

Have at it...

We aren't getting Zay Flowers but this draft is supposed to be better so we better be digging in and looking.

If we can get a comparable player to Zay you move up. Veach said no one wanted to let him trade up but I doubt he was willing to pay more.

A #1 WR on a rookie contract is the missing piece we need to transition to the post-Kelce Chiefs. We need to be ready.

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Brady didn't start the massive discounts until later in his career, conveniently after he married a supermodel with a net worth above $500 million. At one point he was the highest paid guy in the league before he got into his 30's.

Mahomes was drastically underpaid for years. Go take a look at his cash flow in 2020, 2021, and 2022. Then go take a look at the cash flow of other dudes who signed new contracts going back many years (even before Patrick's contract in 2020). His signing bonus was only $10 million, which is a joke. Dak Prescott received $75 million in Year 1 of his new contract. Lamar just got $80 million in Year 1 of his deal. These guys have stacked rosters around them despite the cash going into their pockets.

So I don't know much about those teams. Are they more 'all in' for a short window and will be in bigger cap hell than KC in a few years?

Chief Pagan · 12-27-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We aren't getting Zay Flowers but this draft is supposed to be better so we better be digging in and looking.

If we can get a comparable player to Zay you move up. Veach said no one wanted to let him trade up but I doubt he was willing to pay more.

A #1 WR on a rookie contract is the missing piece we need to transition to the post-Kelce Chiefs. We need to be ready.

Absolutely.

MahomesMagic · 12-27-2023, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

So I don't know much about those teams. Are they more 'all in' for a short window and will be in bigger cap hell than KC in a few years?

49ers have a 2 year window when you look at their cap hits.

They pushed all chips in to win with Purdy this year or next.

Most teams aren't that aggressive.

We don't need to go crazy but we also can't have Mahomes at 57 million next year.

That's handicapping ourselves in our golden window.

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