Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Bullshit. Don't bash your head into a wall with the same OL group that clearly isn't working and is makeshift to begin with. Throw Humphries out and shift Thuney inside. Go heavy and line up Humphries as the 6th man. ****ing do SOMETHING.

Tied his own damn hands pencilling in a raw as **** rookie that obviously should've been redshirted and it culminated in that ****ing disaster last night. This was a self inflicted problem.

amen

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

Because you don’t give up on the one ****ing guy on the team with the tools and the frame to actually play LT after one disappointing season.

No, you don’t bank on him, but you continue to give him a chance to break into that spot.

If a great tackle you like comes your way in the draft or if you have a reasonable method of trading up to get him, sure, go ahead. If your confident solution is a guy in free agency, sure by all means.

But you don’t flush Kingsley down the goddamn toilet when there’s a history of LTs being bad their rookie seasons in this league.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Bullshit. Don't bash your head into a wall with the same OL group that clearly isn't working and is makeshift to begin with. Throw Humphries out and shift Thuney inside. Go heavy and line up Humphries as the 6th man. ****ing do SOMETHING.

Tied his own damn hands pencilling in a raw as **** rookie that obviously should've been redshirted and it culminated in that ****ing disaster last night. This was a self inflicted problem.

Yeah the biggest gamble of the season was trying to fix LT while going cheap. Many accurately claimed during the season that if the Chiefs did not win the SB, this would be the reason. They were right.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Bullshit. Don't bash your head into a wall with the same OL group that clearly isn't working and is makeshift to begin with. Throw Humphries out and shift Thuney inside. Go heavy and line up Humphries as the 6th man. ****ing do SOMETHING.

Tied his own damn hands pencilling in a raw as **** rookie that obviously should've been redshirted and it culminated in that ****ing disaster last night. This was a self inflicted problem.

Reminded me of the SB loss to Tampa where Andy refused to add extra blocking help and just kept running the same passing plays over and over while Mahomes ran for his life.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Sign an NFL caliber LT and a dynamic RB and watch how fast this offense looks explosive as hell again. You can't just throw scabs out there at those spots and tell Mahomes to keep making chicken salad out of chicken shit. It's so tiresome and this had to be the end of it.

Spare me the "look how many SBs we've won without a great LT and RB." Yeah, super duper. Times are clearly changing, and if last night didn't make that click for you, I don't know what to tell you. The days of going out there and winning because Mahomes wills you to and Reid and Spags just outcoach everyone are coming to an end, you can only count on that so long when other teams are loading up on talent while you count your pennies and refuse to spend at the same rate as them.

We have WRs now, pending Rice's health and legal situation. You get Kelce to retire or add void years to lower his cap hit, and you surround Mahomes with weapons like it's 2018 again. Enough is freaking enough with this shit. Pat looked like a man who was simply out of energy last night. I've never seen that look in his eye, and I never, ever want to see it again.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Because you don’t give up on the one ****ing guy on the team with the tools and the frame to actually play LT after one disappointing season.

No, you don’t bank on him, but you continue to give him a chance to break into that spot.

If a great tackle you like comes your way in the draft or if you have a reasonable method of trading up to get him, sure, go ahead. If your confident solution is a guy in free agency, sure by all means.

But you don’t flush Kingsley down the goddamn toilet when there’s a history of LTs being bad their rookie seasons in this league.

Kingsley was historically bad. Sure, don’t flush him. But it’s not an “IF” you find a better option in FA or the draft, it’s an absolute necessity. Allow KS to compete and maybe he steps in in 2026 at RT after Taylor is shown the door or maybe he takes over at RG. But going into 2025 without a very clear upgrade at LT is a fireable offense . Figure it out or find someone else who can, end of story.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Sign an NFL caliber LT and a dynamic RB and watch how fast this offense looks explosive as hell again. You can't just throw scabs out there at those spots and tell Mahomes to keep making chicken salad out of chicken shit. It's so tiresome and this had to be the end of it.

Spare me the "look how many SBs we've won without a great LT and RB." Yeah, super duper. Times are clearly changing, and if last night didn't make that click for you, I don't know what to tell you. The days of going out there and winning because Mahomes wills you to and Reid and Spags just outcoach everyone are coming to an end, you can only count on that so long when other teams are loading up on talent while you count your pennies and refuse to spend at the same rate as them.

We have WRs now, pending Rice's health and legal situation. You get Kelce to retire or add void years to lower his cap hit, and you surround Mahomes with weapons like it's 2018 again. Enough is freaking enough with this shit.

Pat looked like a man who was simply out of energy last night. I've never seen that look in his eye, and I never, ever want to see it again.

Veach is a great GM but the truth is he tried to switch from an offensive team to a balanced roster post Tyreek but we did not get a balanced roster, the offense is not equal to the D.

Most of his hits and recent $$$ has gone to the defense.

The offense has gone to shit.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Bullshit. Don't bash your head into a wall with the same OL group that clearly isn't working and is makeshift to begin with. Throw Humphries out and shift Thuney inside. Go heavy and line up Humphries as the 6th man. ****ing do SOMETHING.

Tied his own damn hands pencilling in a raw as **** rookie that obviously should've been redshirted and it culminated in that ****ing disaster last night. This was a self inflicted problem.

Nailed it!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Sign an NFL caliber LT and a dynamic RB and watch how fast this offense looks explosive as hell again. You can't just throw scabs out there at those spots and tell Mahomes to keep making chicken salad out of chicken shit. It's so tiresome and this had to be the end of it.

Spare me the "look how many SBs we've won without a great LT and RB." Yeah, super duper. Times are clearly changing, and if last night didn't make that click for you, I don't know what to tell you. The days of going out there and winning because Mahomes wills you to and Reid and Spags just outcoach everyone are coming to an end, you can only count on that so long when other teams are loading up on talent while you count your pennies and refuse to spend at the same rate as them.

We have WRs now, pending Rice's health and legal situation. You get Kelce to retire or add void years to lower his cap hit, and you surround Mahomes with weapons like it's 2018 again. Enough is freaking enough with this shit. Pat looked like a man who was simply out of energy last night. I've never seen that look in his eye, and I never, ever want to see it again.

I agree. I’m a little mixed on rb. I feel like defenses are gonna make an adjustment since we’re less of the hunted now. I feel like priority #1 will be stopping the run. You may see more emphasis on bigger, heavier defenses with less speed. I also feel like a full offseason of recovery for Pacheco and extra work for Steele who seems like he has largely coachable flaws + a better OL and we will be better in the run game. Still doesn’t hurt to at least swing for something.

OL… absolutely. Especially at LT

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

I think it's hard to see because they had the best offense in the league three years ago with weaker WRs, mediocre running backs and mediocre tackles.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Veach is a great GM but the truth is he tried to switch from an offensive team to a balanced roster post Tyreek but we did not get a balanced roster, the offense is not equal to the D.

Most of his hits and recent $$$ has gone to the defense.

The offense has gone to shit.

I do agree with this and yet don’t regret it at the same time. It worked and in large part because veach crushed it on the defensive side. The hidden cost that I feel like people don’t talk about is that the draft can be an incredible tool in finding value at low positional value spots. We shouldn’t wait for Trey smith to come under contract. We should have a few guys weve evaluated through actual reps waiting in the wings. And it’s just really hard to do that when you’re trying to make a complete roster from top to bottom.

[Rexx]

Both can be true, coaching and personnel.

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The footage from this game is brutal. Andy tried everything. Screens, YAC plays, even running a few times which went nowhere.

Talent has tied his hands so badly man. We need to fix this this offseason

What game are you watching and why do you refuse to address the obvious question of why Washington a clearly inferiorly talented offensive team was able to have infinitely more success.

The screen passes and YAC plays WORKED. We got first downs and then instantly started going for 20 yards depth of target 3 seconds or more developing plays that would obviously NEVER work against the pass rush. Where was the RPO? The coaching staff said they needed to get the ball in manageable downs and yardage yet consistently called awful calls on first downs. The first down calls in this game lost this game. If you can’t see that you’re mid IQ. The eagles had an advantage on the dline but we enhanced their advantage by playing this way.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I do agree with this and yet don’t regret it at the same time. It worked and in large part because veach crushed it on the defensive side. The hidden cost that I feel like people don’t talk about is that the draft can be an incredible tool in finding value at low positional value spots. We shouldn’t wait for Trey smith to come under contract. We should have a few guys weve evaluated through actual reps waiting in the wings. And it’s just really hard to do that when you’re trying to make a complete roster from top to bottom.

We need to spend more picks on OL.

Not just grab a developmental tackle every 2 years in the late 2nd or 3rd.

Teams like Green Bay and Philadelphia are drafting numbers/bodies and finding high quality starters later.

We only did numbers after the Tampa SB loss for 1 year. Minimum 2 to 3 OL picks a year next 2-3 drafts.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Rexx

Both can be true, coaching and personnel.

Yeah man its both, look no further than our lack of adjustments last night