Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would like to have Brown at 15 million a year fwiw. There's no way he gets to 20, right? Dude has 1 season over 800 yards.

If I'm gonna swim in the FA pool for a WR, give me Ridley.

Very intrigued with Ridley myself. He's at a weird spot with age(29?) and will just be getting to market for the first time. He will have to make this his big pay day though. He can do everything imo probably better than Aiyuk. He's been seen in different schemes with different talent and everything from top end qb play to total dog shit. He's been really hit and miss this season so I hope the price tag reflects it. But like Duncan I think Hollywood fixes more problems in one pen stroke. If you sign Ridley your kind of pigeonholed into a Hardman/Chark/Samuels sighing imo. We still need a deep threat guy. Charks been cheap two years in a row and Hardman had a market so bad he signed a hail mary with the jets. So likely either could be had reasonably. But if thats the case I dont see a WR investment coming high in the draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's an exclusive rights free agent so he won't be going anywhere.

Shit. Saw him on a FA list, didn't see he was ERFA.

Point stands, you don't have to spend much to replace MVS' role.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just wouldn't pay said vets if I draft someone in the first. The guy needs to play.

And if that player in the 1st takes a while to develop or if they are simply closer to a Hardman/Moore than a Rashee Rice? 1st rd picks still bust all the time and we cannot afford to drop the ball at WR again. A halfway decent vet takes the pressure off a rookie to produce from day 1 and gives us better depth and more options, it's a win-win.

Also, Kelce probably has 1-2 years left. This is an Andy Reid offense, he spreads it around. We need more than 2 dependable guys.

It would be different if 1 of Toney or Moore had shown anything at all as far as being a somewhat dependable 3rd/4th option. Neither showed anywhere close to that. Those guys should be no better than 4th or 5th on the depth chart on a good offense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

My point wasn't that he's as good as Moore, Jefferson, et al. It was more about why I don't consider a "disgruntled" tag to be a problem by default.

Being disgruntled your team sucks (Moore, McLaurin) isn't an issue to me, any more than being disgruntled you're in a run-first offense that makes heavy use of TEs and FBs and has an inaccurate passer who can't make all the throws, limiting your snaps and opportunities (Brown in Baltimore) is an issue to me. Being disgruntled because you feel like second fiddle and want to be a bigger star (Hill) might be.



Evans would honestly be my preference at WR, too. Paired with a day 1 or 2 pick at WR to prep for him aging out. I just think it's less likely to be what the Chiefs prefer. But hey, maybe they change things up a LOT.

I was pretty firmly against it as recently as last month - but the more I think about it I think him and a draft pick or two would be well worth the cost assuming Veach can either get the money down or the years down.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

And if that player in the 1st takes a while to develop or if they are simply closer to a Hardman/Moore than a Rashee Rice? 1st rd picks still bust all the time and we cannot afford to drop the ball at WR again. A halfway decent vet takes the pressure off a rookie to produce from day 1 and gives us better depth and more options, it's a win-win.

Also, Kelce probably has 1-2 years left. This is an Andy Reid offense, he spreads it around. We need more than 2 dependable guys.

It would be different if 1 of Toney or Moore had shown anything at all as far as being a somewhat dependable 3rd/4th option. Neither showed anywhere close to that. Those guys should be no better than 4th or 5th on the depth chart on a good offense.

Andy doesn't spread it around if he has guys that are better. "Spread it around" these days is more "we don't have anyone to throw it to so we'll try to throw shit at the wall".

Yeah, the first rounder could bust, but you've gotta still field a team here. Going overboard at WR you end up cratering somewhere else.

[O.city]

If you go big at WR in FA, you don't need to take one early in the draft. You've got Rice and said player, then the current group coming back can fill in. Add another one in the mid rounds if you want.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Assuming we do this I'd go for 2 mid level proven guys like Tyler Boyd and Curtis Samuels for example.

What makes me nervous is what happened last year. Big run on WR and we couldn't trade up and we're left with our dick in our hand. Obviously won't have to worry about that if we lose in the WC.

Even with so many good WR's we may see most gone. I'd expect at least 5 drafted in the 1st rd this year. Maybe 6.

There are probably 3 rounds of good WR's in this years draft. Someone with skills will still be there at 32 if they want to go that route.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

Andy doesn't spread it around if he has guys that are better. "Spread it around" these days is more "we don't have anyone to throw it to so we'll try to throw shit at the wall".

Yeah, the first rounder could bust, but you've gotta still field a team here. Going overboard at WR you end up cratering somewhere else.

Well, and as we've learned - these "vet signings" aren't exactly sure things either.

Go big or go young. But miss me with these guys who haven't done shit in years who you "hope" can turn it around.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Well, and as we've learned - these "vet signings" aren't exactly sure things either.

Go big or go young. But miss me with these guys who haven't done shit in years who you "hope" can turn it around.

I'm fine with one, if that's just an add in kinda insurance thing you can get some value out of.

But yeah, do the big vet or the big young guy, then add some around it for pennies and go elsewhere.

[Gravedigger]

The problem with the narrative that it's a deep WR draft is that the Chiefs suck at evaluating WR talent. They got it right this last year with Rice all things considered, but before that you have to go back to Tyreek Hill, which was a character long shot to work out that luckily did in their favor. Can't do anything about it now, but I would rather then jump up then stay put and hope they make the right choice with the second tier of WR. I know we don't have alot of picks to play with, I know we'd have to tag and trade Jones to get those picks and hope people give us more than a high second and other picks next year or in later rounds this year, but if Veach can get the ammunition I would gladly take losing Jones and giving Patrick a 4-5 year cheap option at WR to grow with. Nothing is set in stone, so it's a risk, but after seeing this year, I want to see what Patrick can do if you give him Bengals level of WRs. You can't replace Jones in the middle, I get it, but if you're already saying goodbye to him like you did Tyreek, then get what you can for him and move on.

[O.city]

Eh, maybe.

They just need to be aggressive on who they like. Instead of waiting and taking what's left.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you go big at WR in FA, you don't need to take one early in the draft. You've got Rice and said player, then the current group coming back can fill in. Add another one in the mid rounds if you want.

You still take one on day 1 or 2, if that's the best guy on the board at your spot. Keep taking shots at weapons.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Very intrigued with Ridley myself. He's at a weird spot with age(29?) and will just be getting to market for the first time. He will have to make this his big pay day though. He can do everything imo probably better than Aiyuk. He's been seen in different schemes with different talent and everything from top end qb play to total dog shit. He's been really hit and miss this season so I hope the price tag reflects it. But like Duncan I think Hollywood fixes more problems in one pen stroke. If you sign Ridley your kind of pigeonholed into a Hardman/Chark/Samuels sighing imo. We still need a deep threat guy. Charks been cheap two years in a row and Hardman had a market so bad he signed a hail mary with the jets. So likely either could be had reasonably. But if thats the case I dont see a WR investment coming high in the draft.

Of those two, I far prefer Brown and think the Chiefs would, as well. He's younger and a better fit.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Well, and as we've learned - these "vet signings" aren't exactly sure things either.

Go big or go young. But miss me with these guys who haven't done shit in years who you "hope" can turn it around.

I wouldn't classify what Brown has done in Arizona as indicative of needing to "turn it around." He was producing at a 1300 yard/10 TD pace when he got there, but got hurt and the whole situation collapsed while he was out. Murray got hurt. Kingsbury became a dead man walking and then a dead man, while they brought in a new coach and system, and he started the year with shit-tier QBs.

Ridley is actually more of a gamble, IMO. Jacksonville has been pretty stable and he just... hasn't done a whole lot there.

[O.city]

Brown was on pace for that when?

You're excusing away alot here it seems.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Hollywood also hasn't played a full season in three years.

In addition to the other issues.

No thanks at that price tag.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by O.city

Andy doesn't spread it around if he has guys that are better. "Spread it around" these days is more "we don't have anyone to throw it to so we'll try to throw shit at the wall".

Yeah, the first rounder could bust, but you've gotta still field a team here. Going overboard at WR you end up cratering somewhere else.

I wouldn't call a $15 million/yr contract and a 1st/2nd rd pick going overboard. We're not spending jack shit at WR once MVS is released. Also, considering Kelce is likely done soon that's an extra $15-20 million not being spent on an offensive weapon.

Look at the recent mock drafts posted by Crow and Duncan in the draft forum. Both have us getting Brown in FA as well as a WR in the 1st or 2nd and still show KC addressing other areas adequately. I think those are very realistic scenarios.