King Carls Replacement. Meet your new GM, Scott Pioli

[BigRedChief]

EDIT: This thread is from 2004

Bio on the New England Patriots website:
http://originwww.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=MgersExecsBio&bio=12539

Scott Pioli, Patriots - TSN NFL Executive Of The Year
Dan Pompei If you search long enough in the shadow of Patriots coach Bill Belichick, you will find Scott Pioli, his face illuminated by the light of game tape. The Patriots' vice president of player personnel isn't the best known executive in the NFL, but according to a vote of his peers, he was the best in 2003.

"This is a humbling honor," Pioli says of being named winner of the George Young NFL Executive of the Year award, presented by the SPORTING NEWS. "The award truly represents the ownership, coaching staff, scouting staff and players. To me, it's a statement about the organization."

Pioli received 29 of 60 votes. Finishing second with 12 votes was Panthers general manager Marry Hurney, whose team lost to Pioli's in the Super Bowl. Pioli, who turns 39 on March 31, is the youngest man to win the award, which has been given 34 times.

Pioli was hired to run the Patriots' personnel department in 2000, after having worked alongside Belichick with the lets and Browns. He met Belichick when, as a college student in 1986, he visited the Giants' training camp in Albany, N.Y. When Pioli returned the next year, Belichick offered him a place to sleep. The two formed a relationship that has grown to the point where their trust is rare in the cutthroat NFL. "It doesn't get any better than winning championships while being around some of your closest friends," Pioli says.

Because of Belichick's coaching genius, Pioli's work as a talent evaluator often is overlooked. What he does as well as any NFL front-office man is find players who match his coach's system. "We do know what we're looking for," Pioli says. "It's the relationship with Bill and knowing how (Patriots owner) Robert (Kraft) wants the organization represented. We share the same philosophy--we want to win with the right kind of people, the right way."
Among Pioli's moves that put the Patriots over the top last year were signing free-agent safety Rodney Harrison, drafting defensive back Eugene Wilson in the second round and center Dan Koppen in the fifth and trading for defensive tackle Ted Washington.

Chiefs president Carl Peterson says, "Scott did an unbelievable job of bringing in low-priced free agents, staying under the cap, enduring numerous player injuries and winning the Super Bowl."

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The original discussion on Pioli:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100201&highlight=pioli

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[BigRedChief]

Drafts, by New England, since Pioli took over personnel


Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College

2004

Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) - looks like a stud
Ben Watson TE Georgia - looked good before season ending injury
Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State - backup DE
Guss Scott DB Florida - injured
Dexter Reid DB North Carolina
Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
P.K. Sam WR Florida State
Christian Morton DB Illinois

2003

Ty Warren DT Texas A&M - starting DE
Eugene Wilson DB Illinois - starting safety
Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M - productive backup WR
Dan Klecko DT Temple - do it all; productive
Asante Samuel DB Central Florida - backup/nickel corner
Dan Koppen C Boston College - starting center
Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
Tully Banta-Cain DE California - backup OLB
Ethan Kelley DT Baylor

2002

Dan Graham TE Colorado - starting TE
Deion Branch WR Louisville - starting WR
Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State - backup QB
Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State
Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
David Givens WR Notre Dame - starting WR

2001

Richard Seymour DT Georgia - stud; starting DE
Matt Light T Purdue - starting LT
Brock Williams DB Notre Dame
Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
Hakim Akbar DB Washington
Arther Love TE South Carolina State
Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)
Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
T.J. Turner LB Michigan State

2000

Adrian Klemm T Hawaii - backup LT
J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
Greg -Randall T Michigan State - started, then moved on
Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
Jeff Marriott DT Missouri
Antwan Harris DB Virginia
Tom Brady QB Michigan - um, not a bad pick
David Nugent DT Purdue
Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico
Patrick Pass RB Georgia - starting FB

[BigRedChief]

From Amorix a stinking NE fan:

My additional thoughts:

2004

Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL) - looks like a stud
yes he does

2003

Eugene Wilson DB Illinois - starting safety
AFC Defensive Player of the month for September, '04. Going to be a very good player with a long career barring injury
Dan Koppen C Boston College - starting center
Excellent pick. Started beginning game 2 or 3 last year (as a rookie) and was the starting C all the way through the Super Bowl
Tully Banta-Cain DE California - backup OLB
ST Kamakazi. A very good pick for a late rounder -- he will have a long and serviceable career as a backup LB and ST specialist, it looks like.

2002

Dan Graham TE Colorado - starting TE
great run blocker. Starting to come into his own as a receiver
Deion Branch WR Louisville - starting WR
and awesome
Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State
sacked Manning 3x in AFC Championship Game. Good backup DL on a very deep DL
David Givens WR Notre Dame - starting WR
Awesome receiver for a 7th round pick. Great downfield blocker as well

2001

Richard Seymour DT Georgia - stud; starting DE
Matt Light T Purdue - starting LT
note well that without Seymour and Light, we DO NOT win the SB in '01 rest of the draft is a bust

2000

Tom Brady QB Michigan - um, not a bad pick
umm...yeah. Rest of the '00 draft was a wash, however, as BB/Pioli took over in February and didn't have enough time to have a very good draft

[Amnorix]

Kindly keep your hands off Mr. Pioli... :mad:

Seriously, however, there does seem to be some dispute as to whether Pioli is able to accept a GM position with another team without at least giving compensation to the Patriots. This was a topic of debate last offseason, as teh Patriots said, quite clearly, that he was under contract and not free to move on to the Dolphins (who were rumored to be interested). It does seem odd, however, as he is definitely not GM of the Patriots, and it would be a promotion if he were put in charge of all football operations for another club.

The other question is whether he wants to move on at all. He has never said that he does, and he and Bill Belichick are best friends (BB gave him his first NFL job).

Also, just FYI, Pioli is also Bill Parcell's son-in-law, as he is married to his daughter (whose name amusingly enough is Dallas).

[Ultra Peanut]

It does seem odd, however, as he is definitely not GM of the Patriots, and it would be a promotion if he were put in charge of all football operations for another club.Indeed. Don't really see how the Pats could have any ground for complaint if he got a GM job somewhere.

Also, just FYI, Pioli is also Bill Parcell's son-in-law, as he is married to his daughter (whose name amusingly enough is Dallas).How apt.

[teedubya]

is this thread a redo from a couple weeks ago? I feel deja vuishness

[BigRedChief]

is this thread a redo from a couple weeks ago? I feel deja vuishness

kinda.sorta. put the link in the first post

[Swanman]

I did an analysis of the Chiefs' drafts over the last several years a couple weeks ago and it revealed that Queen Carla was drafting way too many players out of the PAC-10 and mid-major conferences (and ZERO players from NFL U.). Without crunching any numbers, it's obvious that NE has concentrated on good players from major programs (LSU, Miami, etc.) in good conferences. I see a lot of representation from the SEC in their players drafted, and I believe the SEC is dead last in players drafted for the Chiefs. If you're looking for the right way and wrong way to draft, just compare/contrast the Patriots and Chiefs drafts over the past five years.

[KCTitus]

Im wondering if the mods could make this thread sticky so BigRedChief doesnt have to post daily threads about this person.

[jspchief]

I thought I heard somewhere that NE just gave Pioli a fat new contract last month.

I hate to just throw out rumors, but I don't remember what station I was watching, and I can't find the story on the web anywhere. Any of you Pats fans hear about this?

[BigRedChief]

Kindly keep your hands off Mr. Pioli... :mad:

Also, just FYI, Pioli is also Bill Parcell's son-in-law, as he is married to his daughter (whose name amusingly enough is Dallas).

Now thats a wierd factoid. Cool info. rep

[Amnorix]

I thought I heard somewhere that NE just gave Pioli a fat new contract last month.

I hate to just throw out rumors, but I don't remember what station I was watching, and I can't find the story on the web anywhere. Any of you Pats fans hear about this?

I don't think so.

We extended the contracts of players Matt Light and Larry Izzo a few weeks back. Tedy Bruschi extended during training camp, I think it was.

Believe me, I don't ever want Pioli to go. And, in truth, I'm honestly not sure he WANTS to go right now. He's somewhere around 40 years old. BB and Pioli are hand-in-glove, and best friends to boot. BB gave him his first job in professional football.

The Patriots are going to be highly competitive for at least 3-5 more years, assuming BB (who is only 52) sticks around. If I were BB, I'd probably stick with the Pats for a few more years, enjoy this awesome run, and see what was available in 3-5 years or so.

You can be sure that Pioli will absolutely demand (and get) full control over all football operations from whoever hires him. Pioli will also hire someone from the Parcells/Belichick coaching tree, so it'd be someone like a Lou Saban, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennell or some other aplple off that tree.

[Skip Towne]

Im wondering if the mods could make this thread sticky so BigRedChief doesnt have to post daily threads about this person.
:thumb:

[BigRedChief]

I don't think so.

We extended the contracts of players Matt Light and Larry Izzo a few weeks back. Tedy Bruschi extended during training camp, I think it was.

Believe me, I don't ever want Pioli to go. And, in truth, I'm honestly not sure he WANTS to go right now. He's somewhere around 40 years old. BB and Pioli are hand-in-glove, and best friends to boot. BB gave him his first job in professional football.

The Patriots are going to be highly competitive for at least 3-5 more years, assuming BB (who is only 52) sticks around. If I were BB, I'd probably stick with the Pats for a few more years, enjoy this awesome run, and see what was available in 3-5 years or so.

You can be sure that Pioli will absolutely demand (and get) full control over all football operations from whoever hires him. Pioli will also hire someone from the Parcells/Belichick coaching tree, so it'd be someone like a Lou Saban, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennell or some other aplple off that tree.

Rumor mill says King Carl gets 3mil a year to look after Lamar's money. He's probably not getting that in NE. He would have total control here. If King Carl leaves. DV leaves. He gets to hire the coach he wants to hire. I understand the best friends argument and I'm not discounting its worthiness but striking out on your own, making your own mark on your own surely has its own allure.

[nmt1]

Rumor mill says King Carl gets 3mil a year to look after Lamar's money. He's probably not getting that in NE. He would have total control here. If King Carl leaves. DV leaves. He gets to hire the coach he wants to hire. I understand the best friends argument and I'm not discounting its worthiness but striking out on your own, making your own mark on your own surely has its own allure.

Why don't you apply for the job. You seem to "get it".

[Amnorix]

Rumor mill says King Carl gets 3mil a year to look after Lamar's money. He's probably not getting that in NE. He would have total control here. If King Carl leaves. DV leaves. He gets to hire the coach he wants to hire. I understand the best friends argument and I'm not discounting its worthiness but striking out on your own, making your own mark on your own surely has its own allure.

I agree he'd probably get a raise (although maybe the Pats would match :shrug: ). We couldn't match total control and his making his own mark.

Maybe it's just my wishful thinking talking, as I desperately don't want him to leave! :deevee:

[Ultra Peanut]

I did an analysis of the Chiefs' drafts over the last several years a couple weeks ago and it revealed that Queen Carla was drafting way too many players out of the PAC-10 and mid-major conferences (and ZERO players from NFL U.).Mid-majors... you mean like Jerry Rice (MS Valley St., I-AA), Isaac Bruce (Memphis), Randy Moss (Marshall, and I think they were still I-AA in his last year), Terrell Owens (UT-Chattanooga, I-AA), Jimmy Smith (Jackson St., I-AA), Rod Smith (Missouri Southern, DII), and New England's very own Deion Branch (Louisville)?

Aside from Branch, those guys are all in the top 10 of active players in receiving yards. And hell, aside from Bruce and Branch, they're not even as high as the group that's blanketed by the ridiculous term that is "mid-majors." I'm too lazy to continue this and go through the RB or QB or what the hell ever list, but a couple of notable ones off the top of my head are Marshall Faulk (San Diego St.) and LaDanian Tomlison (TCU).

Saying you should focus only on guys from the "big schools" is almost as dumb as saying LJ will be a bust because he's a running back from Penn State.

[beavis]

Did I miss something? When did Carl ever say he was going to leave?

[Swanman]

Mid-majors... you mean like Jerry Rice (MS Valley St., I-AA), Isaac Bruce (Memphis), Randy Moss (Marshall, and I think they were still I-AA in his last year), Terrell Owens (UT-Chattanooga, I-AA), Jimmy Smith (Jackson St., I-AA), Rod Smith (Missouri Southern, DII), and New England's very own Deion Branch (Louisville)?

Aside from Branch, those guys are all in the top 10 of active players in receiving yards. And hell, aside from Bruce and Branch, they're not even as high as the group that's blanketed by the ridiculous term that is "mid-majors." I'm too lazy to continue this and go through the RB or QB or what the hell ever list, but a couple of notable ones off the top of my head are Marshall Faulk (San Diego St.) and LaDanian Tomlison (TCU).

Saying you should focus only on guys from the "big schools" is almost as dumb as saying LJ will be a bust because he's a running back from Penn State.

I'm not saying you can't find diamonds in the rough from small schools, but if I'm looking at two guys that I see as equal, I'm going to take the guy that went to Miami or Georgia over the guy from Jackson State because a) he faced tougher competition in games and b) he faced tougher competition in practice every day. And to find a diamond in the rough from a small school, you have to have people that are adept at evaluating talent, and the Chiefs front office hasn't been real good at that lately, so I'd rather take my chances with big school players.

[Ultra Peanut]

And to find a diamond in the rough from a small school, you have to have people that are adept at evaluating talent, and the Chiefs front office hasn't been real good at that lately, so I'd rather take my chances with big school players.I think that rule actually applies to finding anyone of value anywhere... and Carl's record speaks for itself. :banghead:

[Brock]

Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

[LamarR Huunt]

Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

What do you think I was saing that $6-7 million in cap money for. He begins work in February, 2005.

[BigRedChief]

Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

On this we do agree. He will either go willing or not at all. But maybe we can create an enviorment to where he says "I'm rich, successful San Diego has an offer on the table, I'll go back home to calfornia. I don't need this crap". Lamar will never fire him.

[ChiefsCountry]

I did an analysis of the Chiefs' drafts over the last several years a couple weeks ago and it revealed that Queen Carla was drafting way too many players out of the PAC-10 and mid-major conferences (and ZERO players from NFL U.). Without crunching any numbers, it's obvious that NE has concentrated on good players from major programs (LSU, Miami, etc.) in good conferences. I see a lot of representation from the SEC in their players drafted, and I believe the SEC is dead last in players drafted for the Chiefs. If you're looking for the right way and wrong way to draft, just compare/contrast the Patriots and Chiefs drafts over the past five years.

:) http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1953581&postcount=29

[Mr. Laz]

dam ... I've seen dupe threads before but this is downright plagiarism

:cuss:














:)

[BigRedChief]

dam ... I've seen dupe threads before but this is downright plagiarism

:cuss:
:)

I gave credit in the first post. Gave the link out right there for everyone to see.

And futhermore....Lazrus is the man! :wayne::wayne: without you bringing Pioli to my attention I would have felt so lost and now I have found hope. U DA MAN! :thumb:

[Cormac]

Indeed. Don't really see how the Pats could have any ground for complaint if he got a GM job somewhere.

How about the DV "consultancy" with StL, that resulted in 2nd and 3rd round picks from KC to StL so that DV could become our HC. I guess it all depends on Tags.

[Mr. Laz]

How about the DV "consultancy" with StL, that resulted in 2nd and 3rd round picks from KC to StL so that DV could become our HC. I guess it all depends on Tags.

because Tags penalized us because Peterson started sneaking around with vermeil before letting anyone know. :banghead: :banghead:

[KCTitus]

I thought it had more to do with the 'consultancy' contract DV had with St Louis...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2001/0109/1003937.html

[Skip Towne]

WTF? Who names their daughter Dallas?
Parcells? What do I win?

[Sure-Oz]

The draft is what has ruined this team, the lack of talent we draft year in year out has screwed us and what talent we get we don't play.

[BigRedChief]

The draft is what has ruined this team, the lack of talent we draft year in year out has screwed us and what talent we get we don't play.

Exactly. And whos fault is that? King Carl.

[cash1000]

He used the word HUMBLE that disqualifies him from working for the Chiefs, NEXT!!!!!!!!!

[BigRedChief]

I didn't know that King Carl had done this...from another Chiefs bb.

Chiefs Promote Bill Kuharich to Vice President of Pro Personnel
May 28, 2003, 4:32:00 PM
MAY 28 (afternoon)--Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Wednesday that Bill Kuharich has been promoted to Vice President of Pro Personnel effective immediately. Kuharich came to Kansas City as Director of Pro Personnel in 2000 and has served the past three seasons in that capacity. He joined the Chiefs after a 14-year stint with the Saints, serving as President, General Manager and Chief Operating Officer of the New Orleans franchise from ‘97-99.
Note: While working as GM with the Saints, he traded away their future in order to move up in the draft to obtain Ricky Williams. The Saints record for those three seasons were 6-10, 6-10 and 3-13.
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While Kuharich was GM of the Saints, he stated :
"It's an awful lot of pressure to say that one player can get us to the Super Bowl. But if he can carry us on his back, God bless him. But I'm not putting undue pressure on him"
- New Orleans Saints general manager Bill Kuharich after selecting Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams in the NFL draft.
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A little background info on Kuharich :
Kuharich, 47, the son of the former college and NFL head coach, will be reunited with Carl Peterson, the Chiefs president and general manager he worked with in his first pro football job with the USFL's Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars.
"Bill worked very successfully with me during our tenure in the United States Football League," Peterson said. "He was also extremely instrumental in the tremendous turnaround and success of the New Orleans Saints franchise beginning upon his arrival there in 1986."
"Bill is an astute evaluator of talent and will definitely make a valuable contributor to the Chiefs personnel department."
Kuharich's father, the late Joe Kuharich, was head coach of the Chicago Cardinals, Washington Redskins and Philadelphia Eagles, serving the Eagles as general manager as well. On the college level, he coached at San Francisco and Notre Dame.When Peterson was player personnel director of the Eagles, the elder Kuharich was a scout for the team.
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Kuharich, before the USFL:
Rod Graves, Terry Bradway and Bill Kuharich, who shared an apartment, had been hired by general manager Carl Peterson to find players to help the fledgling USFL compete with the NFL.
"When I look back on it, Carl putting the three of us together is unbelievable, isn't it?" Bradway says. "We were so young we didn't know if a football was blown up or stuffed, but that was a very special time for all of us."
Bradway is the Jets' general manager. Graves is the Cardinals' vice president of football operations. Kuharich is the Chiefs' vice president of pro personnel whose previous job was general manager of the Saints.
<Try looking at their cumulative success in the NFL. Carl hires people out of friendship, not talent. He got lucky with Dick Vermeil. In Dick, he found success. This is what our GM thinks is what's "best" for the Chiefs>
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In essence, if you look at the Saints record throughout Kuharich's tenure, he took a successful team and made them pathetic. In his last seven years with the Saints, their record was, respectively starting in '93:
8-8
7-9
7-9
3-13
6-10
6-10
3-13
Ironically, after the Chiefs had one of their most successful seasons, we start a downward spiral.
Coincidence, loyalty to friends or bad choice of player personnel management by Carl?
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2003/05/28/ch..._pro_personnel/ (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2003/05/28/chiefs_promote_bill_kuharich_to_vice_president_of_pro_personnel/)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor1993.htm
http://www.detnews.com/2000/sports/0005/03/sports-47991.htm
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s...l/04/sb/2371025 (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/04/sb/2371025)
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/2439/Lori_Carl2.jpg

[teedubya]

Deja vuish.

[BigRedChief]

Deja vuish.
Talk about being a head of the curve. 4 friggin years ahead of the curve.ROFL

[BigRedChief]

Yeah baby. I'm the nostradomus of Chiefs Planet.

[ChiefsCountry]

Pour yourself a Jaggarbomb you deserve it.

[DaFace]

Yeah baby. I'm the nostradomus of Chiefs Planet.

:clap:

[BigRedChief]

Pour yourself a Jaggarbomb you deserve it.
Thank you. Thank you. I'll be predicting gold futures next week. For a small $109.00 fee.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah baby. I'm the nostradomus of Chiefs Planet.
still trying to pimp this as your own and not a repost, i see.


ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

Thank you. Thank you. I'll be predicting gold futures next week. For a small $109.00 fee.

Updated smack! ROFL

(pssst it's $109.95) :D

[BigRedChief]

still trying to pimp this as your own and not a repost, i see.


ROFL
The orginal discussion was credited back in 2004. But, I was the one pissing everyone off here yelling at the top of my lungs that King Carl needed to go and Pioli was the man.:)

[bishop_74]

The orginal discussion was credited back in 2004. But, I was the one pissing everyone off here yelling at the top of my lungs that King Carl needed to go and Pioli was the man.:)

THat is some crazy $hit man. Can you tell me anything about 2012?

[BigRedChief]

THat is some crazy $hit man. Can you tell me anything about 2012?
It's gold futures next week, The week after we can make ita Mayan.Nostradomous.2012 week, Just send the $109.95 to Igetmorescoupsthanwpi@Piolirocks.com

[bishop_74]

It's gold futures next week, The week after we can make ita Mayan.Nostradomous.2012 week, Just send the $109.95 to Igetmorescoupsthanwpi@Piolirocks.com

Oh SNAP! :)

[RedThat]

Yeah baby. I'm the nostradomus of Chiefs Planet.

who is the chiefs next head coach gonna be?

more importantly, will herm be fired?

[kcfanXIII]

lol, i didn't look at the date at first. i was trying to figure out why the info seemed dated. you called this in 2004? un freakin real dude...

[BigRedChief]

who is the chiefs next head coach gonna be?

more importantly, will herm be fired?
I've already posted that Herm is gone.

[007]

2004? Damn BRC.

[morphius]

While you are at it can you predict a Chiefs SB win? I'd like one in my life time.

[BigRedChief]

While you are at it can you predict a Chiefs SB win? I'd like one in my life time.
Sure you can send me the $109.95 via paypal to.....Igetmorescoupsthanwpi@Piolirocks.com (Igetmorescoupsthanwpi@Piolirocks.com)

[The Bad Guy]

Kudos on this.

When Carl was fired, I said no way would Pioli ever come here.

I'm happy to have egg on my face.

[BigRedChief]

Kudos on this.

When Carl was fired, I said no way would Pioli ever come here.

I'm happy to have egg on my face.
Hey, me and my good buddy Onthewarpath58 went around and around on this. He said it would never happen so why bother? Pioli will never leave NE. And I agreed, it was most definetly a long shot but you have to ask him first and then he turns you down you go on. He can't say yes if you never ask.

Even this off season I saw this as a very long shot. But sometimes long shots pay off.:clap:

[BigRedChief]

Victory lap.:harumph:

[grandllama]

Victory lap.:harumph:

I'll give it to you BRC :clap:

[BigRedChief]

I'll give it to you BRC :clap:I thought I'd get more "a dead clock is still right twice a day" comments.;)

[Ming the Merciless]

Well Played Sir

Rep to you and your wizardry

[Mr. Laz]

Victory lap.:harumph:
i see you're still taking credit for my shit

[BigRedChief]

i see you're still taking credit for my shithey, Getting a VP/GM from the Pats isn't exactly an orginal idea to start with. Seems like the first place to look to snap up your next GM in the NFL. But, if you are talking about the thread two weeks previously back in 2004? I gave credit to it in this threads opening post back in 2004.

I don't think anyone can take credit for the find unless its some AD in the WAC or some other organization no one knows.

My point of this thread back in 2004 is that I was for Pioli as GM. Recent bump was to show that I was for Pioli as GM since 2004. Not that it was my idea.

[Mr. Laz]

hey, Getting a VP/GM from the Pats isn't exactly an orginal idea to start with. Seems like the first place to look to snap up your next GM in the NFL. But, if you are talking about the thread two weeks previously back in 2004? I gave credit to it in this threads opening post back in 2004.

I don't think anyone can take credit for the find unless its some AD in the WAC or some other organization no one knows.

My point of this thread back in 2004 is that I was for Pioli as GM. Recent bump was to show that I was for Pioli as GM since 2004. Not that it was my idea.whatever dude ROFL

as far as i know i was the original CPer to pimp Pioli and you jumped on the bandwagon. That's cool

Then when i wasn't looking you kicked me out of the drivers seat and used me for a speed bump.


Now you came around for a 2nd lap with another thread bump and did a burn out on my face.

:cuss:


:evil:

[BigRedChief]

whatever dude ROFL

as far as i know i was the original CPer to pimp Pioli and you jumped on the bandwagon. That's cool

Then when i wasn't looking you kicked me out of the drivers seat and used me for a speed bump.


Now you came around for a 2nd lap with another thread bump and did a burn out on my face.

:cuss:


:evil:
As the driver of the King Carl must go bandwagon for years.....I ran over many speed bumps and threw the dead weight off the bandwagon. Which one does that make you?:dom:

[BigRedChief]

Another bump for the signing of Charles and DJ and the soon to be signings of Flowers and Bowe.......and to tick off LAZ ;)

[Start Croyle]

Damn, quit bumbing old ass topics.

[BigRedChief]

Damn, quit bumbing old ass topics.LAZ? Who's mult is this?

[ChiefGator]

Another bump for the signing of Charles and DJ and the soon to be signings of Flowers and Bowe.......and to tick off LAZ ;)

Soon to be?

[BigRedChief]

i see you're still taking credit for my shit

Bump for laz