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KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 01:55 PM
So far which one is better.

I say 2002 He off to a slow start in receptions this year but he is on pace to have over 2300 2400 yards. His yards per gain is down.

We were 3-4 in 2002 and we are 3-4 now OUr D is better then it was then. 2003 we were 7-0

2002 163.3 yards a game 1.71 TDs a game
2004 145.2 yards a game 2 TDs a game

2001 135.56 .62 TDs a game
2003 131.87 1.68 TDs a game


2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 327 1555 4.8 41 8 11 80
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 313 1615 5.2 56 21 9 100
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 320 1420 4.4 31 27 6 88
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 7 7 180 833 4.6 33 13 3 51

1140 5490 4.75 69 TDS 53 games


2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 62 614 9.9 67 2 5 2 21
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 70 672 9.6 64 3 6 3 30
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 74 690 9.3 36 0 7 0 36
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 7 7 15 184 12.3 52 1 3 1 7

221 2160 9.78 6 TDs



2002

GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
09/08 @Cleveland W 40-39 Yes 22 122 5.5 26 4 6 19 3.2 14 0 0 0 0 0
09/15 Jacksonville L 16-23 Yes 22 84 3.8 12 0 5 32 6.4 11 0 0 0 0 0
09/22 @New England L 38-41 Yes 30 180 6.0 25 2 5 18 3.6 9 1 1 0 0 0
09/29 Miami W 48-30 Yes 23 52 2.3 25 1 6 63 10.5 24 0 0 0 0 0

October Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
10/06 @New York W 29-25 Yes 23 152 6.6 27 1 9 81 9.0 19 1 0 0 0 0
10/13 @San Diego L 34-35 Yes 23 63 2.7 18 1 7 96 13.7 22 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 Denver L 34-37 Yes 24 113 4.7 14 3 7 38 5.4 15 0 0 0 0 0
10/27 Oakland W 20-10 Yes 23 91 4.0 15 1 6 93 15.5 49 0 0 0 0 0

November Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
11/10 @San Francisco L 13-17 Yes 11 51 4.6 12 1 2 5 2.5 6 0 0 0 0 0
11/17 Buffalo W 17-16 Yes 31 104 3.4 15 1 3 23 7.7 13 0 0 0 0 0
11/24 @Seattle L 32-39 Yes 23 197 8.6 30 2 7 110 15.7 64 1 0 0 0 0

December Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
12/01 Arizona W 49-0 Yes 16 113 7.1 21 2 3 56 18.7 41 0 0 0 0 0
12/08 St. Louis W 49-10 Yes 24 132 5.5 17 2 2 16 8.0 13 0 0 0 0 0
12/15 @Denver L 24-31 Yes 18 161 8.9 56 0 2 22 11.0 16 0 0 0 0 0
12/22 San Diego W 24-22 Did Not Play
12/28 @Oakland L 0-24 Did Not Play

2004

September Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
09/12 @Denver L 24-34 Yes 26 151 5.8 33 3 2 -2 -1.0 4 0 0 0 0 0
09/19 Carolina L 17-28 Yes 16 66 4.1 17 1 3 16 5.3 6 0 0 0 0 0
09/26 Houston L 21-24 Yes 32 134 4.2 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

October Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
10/04 @Baltimore W 27-24 Yes 33 125 3.8 16 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/17 @Jacksonville L 16-22 Yes 19 75 3.9 9 0 4 47 11.8 28 1 0 0 0 0
10/24 Atlanta W 56-10 Yes 22 139 6.3 16 4 3 41 13.7 33 0 2 0 0 0

8 Colts W 45-35 32 143 3 4.5 3 82 27.3

CURRENT SEASON AND CAREER STATS
Stats ATT YDS AVG TD LONG FUM REC YDS AVG TD
2004 180 833 4.6 13 33 4 15 184 12.3 1
Projected 411 1904 4.6 30 N/A 9 34 421 12.3 2
25.7 119 1.85 2.14 26.2 .14

195 touches for 1017 yards 5.21 14 tds
27.8 145.2 2 tds

His stats for 7 games in 2002
167 766 12 tds 4.5 avg 45 347 7.7 avg 2 tds
23.8 109.42 1.71 6.42 49.5 .28

212 touches for 1113 yards 5.25 avg 14 tds
30.2 159 2 tds

He has more rushing yards now 833 to 766
His avg is better 4.6 to 4.5
He has less rec yard 347 to 184
He has less catches 45 to 15
His avg is better 12.3 to 7.7
His total tds are the same 14 to 14
Rushing TDs are better 13 to 12
Rec Tds are less 1 to 2
Total yards are down 1017 to 1113

2002
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 313 1615 5.2 56 21 9 100
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 70 672 9.6 64 3 6 3 30

383 2287 5.97 24 tds




Upcoming Games
Week Opponent Scouting Report
9 @Buccaneers Buccaneers Rush Def: 117.6 ypg (21st)
10 @Saints Saints Rush Def: 141.3 ypg (30th)
11 Patriots Patriots Rush Def: 126.6 ypg (25th)
12 Chargers Chargers Rush Def: 81.5 ypg (1st

With Holmes catching more the last 3 games his catches should climb back up. He will prob catch 50 to 55 at the end If he keeps his avg that would be 615 to 676 yards.

His 2003 was great but it was his TDs that made it great. He was overcoming his hip injury last year.

So which one is better now to 7 games and which one will be at the end?
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 02:01 PM
Here is his 2003


September Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
09/07 San Diego W 27-14 Yes 18 85 4.7 24 2 7 98 14.0 31 0 0 0 0 0
09/14 Pittsburgh W 41-20 Yes 26 122 4.7 31 3 2 6 3.0 5 0 0 0 0 0
09/21 @Houston W 42-14 Yes 18 89 4.9 15 2 4 67 16.8 31 0 0 0 0 0
09/28 @Baltimore W 17-10 Yes 22 90 4.1 14 0 4 13 3.3 15 0 0 0 0 0

October Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
10/05 Denver W 24-23 Yes 17 97 5.7 22 0 4 14 3.5 10 0 1 0 0 0
10/12 @Green Bay W 40-34 Yes 22 81 3.7 8 1 6 59 9.8 17 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 @Oakland W 17-10 Yes 27 123 4.6 20 1 4 50 12.5 25 0 0 0 0 0
10/26 Buffalo W 38-5 Yes 15 83 5.5 15 3 3 26 8.7 10 0 0 0 0 0

November Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
11/09 Cleveland W 41-20 Yes 19 92 4.8 17 2 7 66 9.4 14 0 0 0 0 0
11/16 @Cincinnati L 19-24 Yes 16 62 3.9 20 0 4 36 9.0 22 0 0 0 0 0
11/23 Oakland W 27-24 Yes 21 91 4.3 19 1 6 100 16.7 36 0 0 0 0 0
11/30 @San Diego W 28-24 Yes 31 162 5.2 25 2 4 24 6.0 10 0 0 0 0 0

December Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
12/07 @Denver L 27-45 Yes 12 44 3.7 7 2 7 33 4.7 10 0 0 0 0 0
12/14 Detroit W 45-17 Yes 18 94 5.2 17 3 5 42 8.4 12 0 0 0 0 0
12/20 @Minnesota L 20-45 Yes 18 55 3.1 11 3 5 50 10.0 17 0 0 0 0 0
12/28 Chicago W 31-3 Yes 20 50 2.5 8 2 2 6 3.0 5 0 0 0 0 0


After 7 games he was

150 687 4.58 9 tds 31 307 9.9 0 tds
21.4 98.1 1.28 4.4 43.8 0

181 touches 994 total yards 5.49 avg 9 tds
26.7 142 1.28

2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 320 1420 4.4 31 27 6 88
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 74 690 9.3 36 0 7 0 36

394 2110 5.35 avg 27 tds
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 02:12 PM
Here is his 2001 If we knew about him early on His season would have been better.

September Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
09/09 Oakland L 24-27 Yes 7 21 3.0 7 0 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0
09/23 New York L 3-13 Yes 8 30 3.8 9 0 3 17 5.7 8 0 0 0 0 0
09/30 @Washington W 45-13 Yes 23 147 6.4 27 2 5 78 15.6 31 1 1 0 0 0

October Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
10/07 @Denver L 6-20 Yes 17 42 2.5 8 0 7 58 8.3 13 0 0 0 0 0
10/14 Pittsburgh L 17-20 Yes 20 150 7.5 26 2 3 -1 -0.3 7 0 0 0 0 0
10/21 @Arizona L 16-24 Yes 15 85 5.7 41 0 3 24 8.0 9 0 0 0 0 0
10/25 Indianapolis L 28-35 Yes 15 55 3.7 19 0 3 23 7.7 11 0 0 0 0 0

November Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
11/04 @San Diego W 25-20 Yes 30 181 6.0 26 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0 0 0
11/11 @New York L 7-27 Yes 18 71 3.9 11 0 3 1 0.3 1 0 0 0 0 0
11/25 Seattle W 19-7 Yes 26 120 4.6 12 0 3 70 23.3 55 0 0 0 0 0
11/29 Philadelphia L 10-23 Yes 18 76 4.2 16 0 8 100 12.5 37 0 1 0 0 0

December Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
12/09 @Oakland L 26-28 Yes 28 168 6.0 20 1 5 109 21.8 67 1 0 0 0 0
12/16 Denver W 26-23 Yes 29 121 4.2 14 1 1 8 8.0 8 0 1 0 0 0
12/23 San Diego W 20-17 Yes 23 80 3.5 14 0 3 12 4.0 9 0 0 0 0 0
12/30 @Jacksonville W 30-26 Yes 27 91 3.4 12 1 7 53 7.6 17 0 1 0 0 0

January Rushing Receiving Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
01/06 @Seattle L 18-21 Yes 23 117 5.1 22 0 6 52 8.7 17 0 0 0 0 0


105 530 5.04 avg 4 tds 25 200 8 avg 1 td
15 75.7 .57 3.57 28.5 .14 td

130 touches 730 yards 5 tds
18.5 104.28 .71

2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 327 1555 4.8 41 8 11 80
2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 62 614 9.9 67 2 5 2 21

389 2169 10 tds 5.57 avg
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 02:23 PM
The one thing I have noticed is Holmes always turns it on late in the season so if that is the case we are in one great ride.


We are truly watching something special in Priest and also Tony G.

Maybe the best to ever play their postitions.

So we better win the Super Bowl

You do not have the best RB and TE and not win.
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 04:46 PM
Holmes is putting up the best 4 year span for a RB in my eyes
Cormac
11-01-2004, 04:52 PM
It was great to see him play that way yesterday. When the commentators made the comment that the difference between him and Blaylock was "the burst" that Holmes has, that said it all. Blaylock has serious "burst", but Priest is all the way back.

Having said that, I was concerned that he took a major beating in the game yesterday. He looked a bit shook in the 4th quarter. Probably from trying to dive over the top on two consecutive plays at the goal-line, and landing on his head.....
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 05:08 PM
1361 touchs 7583 5.57 avg 75 TDs in 53 games

221 catches 2163 yards 9.78 avg 6 TDs
1140 touches 5420 yards 4.75 avg 69 TDs

AVG per game
25.6 touchs
143 yards a game
1.41 TDs a game
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 05:24 PM
Most Touchdowns, Career
205 Jerry Rice, San Francisco, 1985-2000; Oakland, 2001-03 (10-r, 194-p, 1-ret)
166 Emmitt Smith, Dallas, 1990-2002; Arizona, 2003 (155-r, 11-p)
145 Marcus Allen, L.A. Raiders, 1982-1992; Kansas City, 1993-97 (123-r, 21-p, 1-ret)
Most Touchdowns, Season
27 Priest Holmes, Kansas City, 2003 (27-r)
26 Marshall Faulk, St. Louis, 2000 (18-r, 8-p)
25 Emmitt Smith, Dallas, 1995 (25-r)


Jerry Rice
TOTAL 294 277 1526 22549 14.8 96 194 309 84 672

TOTAL 294 277 87 645 7.4 43 10 8 19

205 TDs 294 games .69 TDs per game
starting 277 games .74 TDs per game

Emmit Smith
TOTAL 218 211 4274 17941 4.2 75 160 97 865
TOTAL 218 211 508 3183 6.3 86 11 19 5 98

166 tds 218 games .76 td per game
starting 211 games .78 td per game

Priest totals
79 TDs 101 games .79 td per game
starting 72 games 1.09 td per game
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 05:45 PM
1361 touchs 7583 5.57 avg 75 TDs in 53 games

AVG per game
25.6 touchs
143 yards a game
1.41 TDs a game

What other RB can say this?
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 05:49 PM
RUSHING

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
1994 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 314 1282 4.1 52 11 12 58
1995 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 289 1078 3.7 40 11 6 68
1996 Indianapolis Colts 13 13 198 587 3.0 43 7 1 41
1997 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 264 1054 4.0 45 7 7 65
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 15 324 1319 4.1 68 6 5 62
1999 St. Louis Rams 16 16 253 1381 5.5 58 7 9 65
2000 St. Louis Rams 14 14 253 1359 5.4 36 18 6 78
2001 St. Louis Rams 14 14 260 1382 5.3 71 12 8 70
2002 St. Louis Rams 14 10 212 953 4.5 44 8 5 51
2003 St. Louis Rams 11 11 209 818 3.9 52 10 5 49
2004 St. Louis Rams 7 7 111 465 4.2 18 3 0 28
TOTAL 153 148 2687 11678 4.3 71 100 64 635


RECEIVING

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
1994 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 52 522 10.0 85 1 3 2 22
1995 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 56 475 8.5 34 3 4 0 18
1996 Indianapolis Colts 13 13 56 428 7.6 30 0 3 0 18
1997 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 47 471 10.0 58 1 3 2 15
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 15 86 908 10.6 78 4 12 1 44
1999 St. Louis Rams 16 16 87 1048 12.0 57 5 14 4 40
2000 St. Louis Rams 14 14 81 830 10.2 72 8 6 2 42
2001 St. Louis Rams 14 14 83 765 9.2 65 9 5 1 40
2002 St. Louis Rams 14 10 80 537 6.7 40 2 3 1 23
2003 St. Louis Rams 11 11 45 290 6.4 30 1 3 0 11
2004 St. Louis Rams 7 7 28 216 7.7 25 0 2 0 10
TOTAL 153 148 701 6490 9.3 85 34 58 13 283

134 tds in 153 games .87
134 in 148 games started .9

Marshall's first four seasons with St Louis
60 games
331 catches 3180 9.6 avg 24 TDs
978 carries 5075 5.1 avg 45 TDs
1309 total 8255 6.3 avg 69 TDs

AVG
21.8 touches per game
137.5 yards per game
1.15 TDs per game

Faulk has more yards and a better avg overall. His per touch avg is higher then Priest.

Priest has more rushing yards then Faulk and more rushing TDs The thing that helps Faulk out is his recieving. Faulk also has less TDs then Priest overall.

Priest in 60 games to match Faulk would be

1548 touches 8584 85 TDs

That is 239 more touchs
329 more yards
16 more TDs.

That is projected. He is over that pace or right on that pace.
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 07:32 PM
It was great to see him play that way yesterday. When the commentators made the comment that the difference between him and Blaylock was "the burst" that Holmes has, that said it all. Blaylock has serious "burst", but Priest is all the way back.

Having said that, I was concerned that he took a major beating in the game yesterday. He looked a bit shook in the 4th quarter. Probably from trying to dive over the top on two consecutive plays at the goal-line, and landing on his head.....


I heard that as well. I think he is doing more of that this year.
2bikemike
11-01-2004, 07:35 PM
I know there is a trick to making tables like in this thread align properly but I can't remember how to do it. Somebody want to refresh my memory!
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 07:58 PM
Last 9 games 2001
222 1025 4.61 4 tds 37 414 11.1 1 td
259 1439 5.5 avg 5 tds

28.7 touches
159.8
.67 tds

Running
24.6
113.8 yards

Recieving
4.1
46 yards
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 08:07 PM
Last 9 games in 2002 played in 7
146 849 5.8 avg 9 tds 25 325 13 avg 1 td
171 1174 6.8 avg

24.4
167.7
1.42 tds

Running
20.8
121.2

Recieving
3.5
46.4 yards.
Hammock Parties
11-01-2004, 08:10 PM
Try putting a before and after all those stats. It makes it easier to read.
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 08:13 PM
Try putting a before and after all those stats. It makes it easier to read.

What?
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 09:19 PM
Last 9 games 2003
154 733 4.75 18 tds 46 383 8.32
200 1116 18ts 5.55 avg




22.2 touchs
124 yards


Rushing
17.1
81.4
2 RDs

Recieving
5.1
42.5
Hammock Parties
11-01-2004, 09:20 PM
What?

Ah damn... ROFL

Try putting a code /code before and after your stats, they are impossible to read right now.

Put brackets around the words "code", like this [ ]
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 10:28 PM
Ah damn... ROFL

Try putting a code /code before and after your stats, they are impossible to read right now.

Put brackets around the words "code", like this [ ]

What kind of code would it be?
Hammock Parties
11-01-2004, 10:32 PM
Who cares? Those are the tags you use to format text correctly though.
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 10:56 PM
Who cares? Those are the tags you use to format text correctly though.


If I want it to look better how do I do it?
KingPriest2
11-01-2004, 11:35 PM
I guess this is not working I was wanting people to disuss how well Priest is doing compared to 2002
teedubya
11-01-2004, 11:42 PM
well, didnt priest get injured in 2002? Id not like to compare him to that season...
Hammock Parties
11-01-2004, 11:52 PM
If I want it to look better how do I do it?


use the code tags

type code before the stats and /code after the stats

use [ brackets and ] brackets before and after, just like the quote tags
KingPriest2
11-02-2004, 08:05 AM
well, didnt priest get injured in 2002? Id not like to compare him to that season...


I see where you are going with this CT. But he was going on a tear that year. This year is similar to it.
KingPriest2
11-02-2004, 10:03 AM
04 could be a great year for him
KingPriest2
11-02-2004, 01:32 PM
If he plays and keeps this up for 2 maybe 3 years is he in the HOF?