According to PTI..

[The Bad Guy]

The Chargers are going to be 25 million under the cap next year.

25 friggen million.

Peter King said that they are likely going to franchise Brees, and then trade him off for a #1.

They will have 3 #1s and 25 million in cap space.

They are doing something right in SD.

[David.]

:eek:

[Donger]

Peter King molests collies.

[Saulbadguy]

Depending if Brees keeps up his level of play.

I seem to remember a 2002 season when the Dolts went 6-2 in their first 8, and then finished the season going 2-6.

[BigVE]

Marty is a dumb@ss...right?

[KcMizzou]

They are doing something right in SD. Lord knows they've suffered through some rough seasons to get to this point.

[The Bad Guy]

Depending if Brees keeps up his level of play.

I seem to remember a 2002 season when the Dolts went 6-2 in their first 8, and then finished the season going 2-6.

Brees is going to get a low #1 regardless of how the season plays out b/c of the talent he has shown these 8 games.

It's a QB starved league. A.J. Feeley went for a #2 last year.

[BigVE]

MAYBE.....MAYBE KC will do SOMETHING in this offseason. If not we are slowly but steadily being left behind by others in the divison. EVEN the faiders TRIED to make improvements in the offseason, didnt really work out for them but at least they TRIED. We stood pat with the same lousy D players as last year and now WONDER WHY we STILL suck on D. Chargers are the team of the future in the AFC west.

[Sure-Oz]

Antonio Gates is absolutely a stud right now as well. LD has been injured most of the time and they still are winning, Mccardell has actually done decent for them, it also helps their defense is doing pretty good.

[philfree]

That's absurd for a team to be that far under the cap. Obviously they're not trying hard enough to win it all. :rolleyes: :)

PhilFree :arrow:

[BigChiefFan]

That's absurd for a team to be that far under the cap. Obviously they're not trying hard enough to win it all. :rolleyes: :)

PhilFree :arrow:
What's their cap number THIS year?

[Skip Towne]

Keep fvcking doubting Marty! Dammit (insert Bolts GM here) :cuss:

[beer bacon]

Marty will be able to lead his team to playoff losses for years to come!

[tk13]

What's their cap number THIS year?
According to those numbers from the pages used by the "BurnCarl@stake" clan, $5.5 million. Which, by actually looking at the numbers for once, I'm surprised more people don't accuse the Eagles of not wanting to win, they have over 10 million in cap space.

[milkman]

Keep fvcking doubting Marty! Dammit (insert Bolts GM here) :cuss:

AJ Smith.
SD fans were complaining nearly as much about him last season as we are about Carl.

Of course, the difference is that he has only been in the position for about a year now, taking over for the John Butler after he passed.

[SoCalRaider]

The Chargers are going to be 25 million under the cap next year.

25 friggen million.

Peter King said that they are likely going to franchise Brees, and then trade him off for a #1.

They will have 3 #1s and 25 million in cap space.

They are doing something right in SD.
With Rogers and Lienart in the draft, I'll be surprised if the Chargers can find a single team willing to trade a #1 for Brees. A #2 seems like his real market value... Though if Brees does get tagged, then somebody is also going to have to cough up franchise QB money for a far from proven QB... wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chargers are forced to eat that 1 year tender.

[SoCalRaider]

Brees is going to get a low #1 regardless of how the season plays out b/c of the talent he has shown these 8 games.

It's a QB starved league. A.J. Feeley went for a #2 last year.
And the dumbass team that flushed a #2 down the toilet for Feeley is 1-8, just lost their HC, and might even lead pipe their GM before the season's done.

[HolmeZz]

With Rogers and Lienart in the draft, I'll be surprised if the Chargers can find a single team willing to trade a #1 for Brees. A #2 seems like his real market value... Though if Brees does get tagged, then somebody is also going to have to cough up franchise QB money for a far from proven QB... wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chargers are forced to eat that 1 year tender.

You'd have to pay a huge contract to a Rodgers or Leinart anyway, and Brees is far more proven than either of them would be.

[The Bad Guy]

With Rogers and Lienart in the draft, I'll be surprised if the Chargers can find a single team willing to trade a #1 for Brees. A #2 seems like his real market value... Though if Brees does get tagged, then somebody is also going to have to cough up franchise QB money for a far from proven QB... wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chargers are forced to eat that 1 year tender.

No they won't have to cough up franchise money.

The Chargers will grant the 2 sides permission to talk and they won't be bound to the franchise tag $ before reaching a deal.

Rogers or Lienart are going to command big money too and they haven't proven shit. So it's the lesser of 2 evils. Do you give the money to a guy who is having an MVP type season and is relatively young or do you give the money to a kid who could turn out to be Tim Couch or Heath Schuler?

Regardless of what the Miami situation is like now, they still gave up a #2. This league is QB starved. If Brees keeps this up and does lead the Chargers to the playoffs then some team is going to want him even if they have to pony up a #1.

[SoCalRaider]

You'd have to pay a huge contract to a Rodgers or Leinart anyway, and Brees is far more proven than either of them would be.
Brees has proven that he's no more than an average QB. The 2 college guys at least have the potential to be a franchise QB, something Brees has proven that he will never be...

[SoCalRaider]

No they won't have to cough up franchise money.

The Chargers will grant the 2 sides permission to talk and they won't be bound to the franchise tag $ before reaching a deal.
You missed the point. When a player gets tagged, it is his option to sign a long term deal. If he doesn't he is guaranteed a 1 year tender that amounts to the average of the top 5 at the position. At that point Brees has the Chargers by the balls. If they can't find a suitor willing to pay him franchise QB money, then he signs the tender and makes bank next year...

So it's the lesser of 2 evils. Do you give the money to a guy who is having an MVP type season
Brees is having an MVP type season... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


This league is QB starved.
It's also CB, DE, LB, RB, WR, head coach, and GM starved.

Brees is going to get a low #1 regardless of how the season plays out b/c of the talent he has shown these 8 games.
If Brees keeps this up and does lead the Chargers to the playoffs then some team is going to want him even if they have to pony up a #1.
ROFL
First he's worth a #1 based on 8 games... Oh wait, if he leads the Chargers to the playoffs, then he's worth a #1... Come on.

[J Diddy]

You missed the point. When a player gets tagged, it is his option to sign a long term deal. If he doesn't he is guaranteed a 1 year tender that amounts to the average of the top 5 at the position. At that point Brees has the Chargers by the balls. If they can't find a suitor willing to pay him franchise QB money, then he signs the tender and makes bank next year...


Brees is having an MVP type season... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



It's also CB, DE, LB, RB, WR, head coach, and GM starved.



ROFL
First he's worth a #1 based on 8 games... Oh wait, if he leads the Chargers to the playoffs, then he's worth a #1... Come on.


Hater

[The Bad Guy]

You missed the point. When a player gets tagged, it is his option to sign a long term deal. If he doesn't he is guaranteed a 1 year tender that amounts to the average of the top 5 at the position. At that point Brees has the Chargers by the balls. If they can't find a suitor willing to pay him franchise QB money, then he signs the tender and makes bank next year...

The Chargers no how no way are going to have 9 million on their cap ALL season. They are likely going to place the tag on him, find a suitor and then trade him.

And I understand how franchise tags work. Kevin Carter was tagged back in 2000 and the Rams had no desire to have him back so he worked out a deal with the Titans and then the Titans worked out compensation with the Rams. That's what will happen with Brees.

Brees is having an MVP type season... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Um, yeah. He's having an MVP type season.

What would you classify it as? He has 18 touchdowns, 3 picks and has the Chargers at 6-3. Peyton Manning is putting up huge numbers but he's expected to do that, Brees was supposed to be riding the pine right now.

It's also CB, DE, LB, RB, WR, head coach, and GM starved.

It all starts with the QB and the past market value will dictate what Brees will go for. As I said, regardless of what mistakes the Dolphins made with Feeley, he was a 3rd QB that was traded for a #2.

First he's worth a #1 based on 8 games... Oh wait, if he leads the Chargers to the playoffs, then he's worth a #1... Come on.

He's going to lead the Chargers to the playoffs, and this is without a healthy LT2. He gets to play your shit team again, my shit team twice and then he has to pull out one win against the Colts, Browns, Broncos * (* Violated the salary cap during their championship seasons) or Bucs which he can do. But that's besides the point. He's going to get paid and the Chargers are going to compensate bottom line.

But then again, I wouldn't expect you to realize this because you don't even think he's having an MVP type season.

[Denizen]

$25 million under. Heck there might be 3 or 4 teams that have more to spend next year. The Vikings have $12 million in bogus LTBE that will result in a $12 million credit to the 2005 cap.

I think the Chargers will try to tag and trade Brees but they might not find anyone willing to give up a day 1 pick. Teams know that the Chargers won't want to carry Brees 9 million tender amount so they'll wait the Chargers out OR will low-ball them with a 4th or 5th rouind offer. This is what happened to the Chargers when they were shopping David Boston last year. They thought they could get a 2nd or 3rd but they eventually settled for a 6th.

[The Bad Guy]

$25 million under. Heck there might be 3 or 4 teams that have more to spend next year. The Vikings have $12 million in bogus LTBE that will result in a $12 million credit to the 2005 cap.

I think the Chargers will try to tag and trade Brees but they might not find anyone willing to give up a day 1 pick. Teams know that the Chargers won't want to carry Brees 9 million tender amount so they'll wait the Chargers out OR will low-ball them with a 4th or 5th rouind offer. This is what happened to the Chargers when they were shopping David Boston last year. They thought they could get a 2nd or 3rd but they eventually settled for a 6th.

Boston was a headcase that had a pretty big contract. The Chargers just wanted to dump him.

Brees is a quarterback that's just hitting his prime years and is proving this year that he can get it done. He would definitely get a day 1 pick. As I said, the market got set last year with Feeley.

Regardless, when you have 25 million in cap space you have flexibility everywhere to say whether or not you want to keep him.

Logic says they won't, but you never know.

[Taco John]

According to those numbers from the pages used by the "BurnCarl@stake" clan, $5.5 million. Which, by actually looking at the numbers for once, I'm surprised more people don't accuse the Eagles of not wanting to win, they have over 10 million in cap space.



The Eagles picked up TO. You guys picked up Lionel Dalton.

[KcMizzou]

The Eagles picked up TO. You guys picked up Lionel Dalton. Oh... we were just waiting with bated breath, for you to chime in.

[tk13]

The Eagles picked up TO. You guys picked up Lionel Dalton.
So, if Andy Reid really would've wanted to win he'd forsaw his RB injury problems, re-signed Duce Staley, then signed Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Grant Wistrom to play the other DE, Robaire Smith to help stop the run. Instead they left all that money sitting there, they just don't want to win. [/spin] :)