Guess I wasn't the only one who thought the MNF intro was INAPPROPRIATE...

[memyselfI]

I am no prude, but I was stunned seeing the segment leading into the game. My 8 year old was like 'what was that?' and I thought how hypocritical for the outrage over Janet's half second boob flash when they showed a woman baring her naked body to Terrell Owens and I guess it was supposed to be funny because it was a spoof of 'Desperate Housewives'. :shake:

I guess ABC apologized today.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041116/ap_on_en_tv/fbn_mnf_apology_6


ABC Apologizes for Steamy Football Intro


NEW YORK - ABC apologized Tuesday for a steamy intro to "Monday Night Football" after receiving complaints from viewers and the NFL.

The spot featured a naked Nicollette Sheridan jumping into the arms of Terrell Owens.

Before the Philadelphia-Dallas game, ABC showed Owens and Sheridan in an empty locker room in an attempt to spoof the network hit "Desperate Housewives." Sheridan, who stars in the show, was wearing only a towel and provocatively asked Owens to skip the game for her.

After she dropped her towel, he agreed to be late for the contest and hugged her. Then the shot panned out to two more stars of "Desperate Housewives," Teri Hatcher (news) and Felicity Huffman, watching the scene unfold on a television and commenting on desperate women.

"We have heard from many of our viewers about last night's MNF opening segment and we agree that the placement was inappropriate," ABC said in a statement. "We apologize."

The NFL called the intro "inappropriate and unsuitable for our `Monday Night Football' audience."

"While ABC may have gained attention for one of its other shows, the NFL and its fans lost," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.

The Eagles said they appreciated ABC apologizing for the segment.

"It is normal for teams to cooperate with ABC in the development of an opening for its broadcast," the team said. "After seeing the final piece, we wish it hadn't aired."

ABC has broadcast "Monday Night Football" with a 5-second delay this season, a precaution after Janet Jackson (news)'s wardrobe malfunction at February's Super Bowl.

At halftime of New England's win over Carolina in the Super Bowl, Justin Timberlake (news) ripped off part of Jackson's brassiere, exposing her right breast to a TV audience of some 90 million. The Super Bowl was broadcast on CBS, which was subsequently fined a record $550,000 by the FCC (news - web sites).

[BigVE]

If it was on an hour later would it be better? That show is all about being provacative....last week they left very little to the imagination when one of the ladies gave her man a B.J. ....no complaints about THAT was there? This was NO accident...ABC new what they were doing. I guarantee this weeks episode of Desperate H-wives will be one of its highest rated. Good job ABC. I have an idea....FLIP the dang channel if you dont like what your seeing.

[memyselfI]

If it was on an hour later would it be better? That show is all about being provacative....last week they left very little to the imagination when one of the ladies gave her man a B.J. ....no complaints about THAT was there? This was NO accident...ABC new what they were doing. I guarantee this weeks episode of Desperate H-wives will be one of its highest rated. Good job ABC. I have an idea....FLIP the dang channel if you dont like what your seeing.


I DO NOT watch Desperate Housewives. I tuned in to see MNF. Your point would be valid if I complained about watching the show (which I believe comes with a parental advisory, doesn't it?) but I tuned in to see football.

And given the outrage over what happened at the SB, I'd be shocked to see any less given this particular skit which I found MORE offensive because clearly it was orchestrated for the very reason you mention.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

How did I miss nudity on the MNF pre-game?!?!

DAMN IT!!!!

:banghead:

[Demonpenz]

Ok so the into was bad, but the commercials for viagra with a guy ramming a football through a tire over and over is alright.

[Baby Lee]

I thought it was pretty tame. More dirty talk than anything visual. OOOhhh!!! Was that a shoulder blade? And an ankle!!!! I think I just spooged my underoos.

[Valiant]

This is liberalism at its best... how is that inappropriate???

[Brock]

Why do ugly women have such a problem with good looking ones?

[Baby Lee]

Why do ugly women have such a problem with good looking ones?
You obviously haven't laid eyes on Nicolette lately. The term 'rode hard and put up wet' comes to mind.

[BIG_DADDY]

Why do ugly women have such a problem with good looking ones?

Exactly!!!

[David.]

was she actually naked?

[Brock]

You obviously haven't laid eyes on Nicolette lately. The term 'rode hard and put up wet' comes to mind.

Like you wouldn't f it and come back for seconds.

[Baby Lee]

was she actually naked?
The fact that we don't know for certain should have ended this conversation long ago.

[Baby Lee]

Like you wouldn't f it and come back for seconds.
True, she only suffers in comparison. In comparison to her costars and in comparison to her younger self.

Seriously, though. There's a bit too much Joan Rivers in her face nowadays. The body remains impeccable.

[RealSNR]

Your 8 year old doesn't know what a boob is?

[Bwana]

I am no prude, but I was stunned

Yes, yes you are.

[Baby Lee]

And let's be honest, people who were stunned were stunned to see the lily white girl making a play for the big black buck as much as anything.

[memyselfI]

And let's be honest, people who were stunned were stunned to see the lily white girl making a play for the big black buck as much as anything.

No, I don't give a hoot about that (thought I agree some of the outrage could be because of that like it was because of b/w Janet/Justin...)

I was more stunned because it was so completely in your face on the heels of the SB controversy and how people were saying they tuned in to see a football game not a naked boob and yet this woman was more naked and the innuendo MUCH MORE direct than that of the JJs but was going to be passed off as a 'joke.'

If I wanted to watch the trash on the show I'd actually tune IN TO THE SHOW...but I don't so I don't.

[Jenson71]

What, exactly, differentiates the trash that is Desperate Housewives from the trash that was Sex in the City? Just curious.

Seems to me the major difference is that Sex and the City actually showed some titties every now and again.

No show could be as pointless and pathetic as Sex in the City.

[ROYC75]

I think I need to see a clip of of it before I can comment .

Anybody have it ?

Seen any trailors anywhere ?

[memyselfI]

What, exactly, differentiates the trash that is Desperate Housewives from the trash that was Sex in the City? Just curious.

Seems to me the major difference is that Sex and the City actually showed some titties every now and again.


Sex and the City is marketed as an ADULT programming (on a network that offered a rating and at times that could be blocked or otherwise monitored)

last time I heard MNF was not.

I have not watched 'Desperate Housewives' so I can't comment on the show but from what I've heard it's a bad soap. And while SATC could be considered a soap/comedy it was about single women bed hopping and not married women...which given the furvor of those who supposedly are so into values is alittle intriguing why the show is doing so well.

[jAZ]

ABC shouldn't mention anything to the FCC about their daytime soaps.

[Inspector]

It's about time D enise was stunned and outraged over something.

Heck, I didn't think she was passionate about anything. It's not like she ever gets on here and harps about things she doesn't agree with, right?

Good to see she has an opinion about something.

Way to go D enise. Keep an eye on things and keep our country in line.

Just think what would happen if things like this weren't made a big deal of. That would certainly be a scary world to live in.

[DTLB58]

But yet ABC can advertise Cialis for erectile dysfuntion and state "Although unusual, if you have an erection for longer than 4 hours seek immediate medical attention"

Has your 8 year-old asked you what an erection is????

ABC and the NFL are hypacrites!

[Jenson71]

But yet ABC can advertise Cialis for erectile dysfuntion and state "Although unusual, if you have an erection for longer than 4 hours seek immediate medical attention"

Has your 8 year-old asked you what an erection is????

ABC and the NFL are hypacrites!

Where've you been, man? You coming to the game on Saturday?

[Thig Lyfe]

Looks like a job for the
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=31329&stc=1

[dtebbe]

Like you people have never been told this before... GET A LIFE!

DT

[Ultra Peanut]

Your 8 year old doesn't know what a boob is?That would be stunning.

After all, he sees one every day.

I'm saying his mom is a boob.

[ChiefsCountry]

I have not watched 'Desperate Housewives' so I can't comment on the show but from what I've heard it's a bad soap. And while SATC could be considered a soap/comedy it was about single women bed hopping and not married women...which given the furvor of those who supposedly are so into values is alittle intriguing why the show is doing so well.

These type of shows were the major hit tv shows of the 80's. Heck, CBS had a special on one of them the other night. And remember they were all considered to be "bad" back then, are actually quite mild compared to today's standards.

[philfree]

I would of felt better about the whole thing if she would have dropped towel facing the camera but really I didn't think it was so great when he chose her over his team. I hate who the NFL has chosen for their poster boys though. Bunch of classless jerks.


PhilFree :arrow:

[Thig Lyfe]

That would be stunning.

After all, he sees one every day.

I'm saying his mom is a boob.


I stole your waahmbulance.

[RealSNR]

That would be stunning.

After all, he sees one every day.

I'm saying his mom is a boob.Roffle roffle roffle

[Iowanian]

But yet ABC can advertise Cialis for erectile dysfuntion and state "Although unusual, if you have an erection for longer than 4 hours seek immediate medical attention"

Has your 8 year-old asked you what an erection is????

ABC and the NFL are hypacrites!

He'd have been alot more entertained if 81 was just jogging around in those spandex tights again.

[Jenny Gump]

I have seen Desperate Housewives and happen to find it very entertaining. So shoot me.

However, I have to agree that it's a given to expect adult oriented content with that show than it is with MNF. My hope is that it hasn't come down to MNF being a risky tune-in with the kiddos. But then again, I would hardly call last night's intro "stunning". It's how you handle these issues with your kids sitting there that determines the affect it has. Let's keep it in perspective.

[Mojo Rising]

[QUOTE=memyselfI]I am no prude, but I was stunned seeing the segment leading into the game.

Talibanme - Were you stunned and offended because she wasn't wearing her birka in public?

[Mile High Mania]

In reality, there's not much difference in the bare backside that we saw and what you see on the sidelines with the cheerleaders.

If anything... I thought it was a weak intro to MNF. It took too long and the conversation was sorta stale. I got the joke, but it kinda fell flat.

Did your 8 year old ask questions about the big breasted half naked women on the sidelines that received plenty of camera time? I doubt it.

[Straight, No Chaser]

Since when is a MNF audience offended? WTF are these people? I'm offended at how many times I have to watch promos for all the bad TV that ABC can't stop jamming through the box.

How many times are we forced to hear "Erections lasting over 4 hours possible, Blah, Blah, Blah"


---->

[Rausch]

Near naked breast between black woman and white man not ok at super bowl.

Near naked embrace by black man and white woman not ok on MNF.

Simulated sex, near nudity, sexual inuendo OK all day long on soap operas...

[Thig Lyfe]

Instead of talking about the damn intro, how about some people talk about the game and how McNabb and TO hooked up for another three TD's?

"Avert your gaze, son! A woman's naked back!"

[Ultra Peanut]

I stole your waahmbulance.Yes. Yes, you did.

[Baby Lee]

But yet ABC can advertise Cialis for erectile dysfuntion and state "Although unusual, if you have an erection for longer than 4 hours seek immediate medical attention"

Has your 8 year-old asked you what an erection is????

ABC and the NFL are hypacrites!
Fox last night, near the end of 'House,' at 8:57 CST, aired a commercial for . . .



KY Fuggin' Jelly!!!!

"Our love life has gone stale. . . Wait a minute!! . . . This stuff warms with friction!!!"

Cue 70s porn music.

[KCTitus]

Cue 70s porn music.

Bow Chicka Bow Bow...Bow Wow Chicka Chicka Bow Bow

[memyselfI]

Ah, ah, ah... I'm responding to your comment that you don't watch Desperate Housewives because it's "trash".



And, yet you have.

Ah, but I watch no regular programming outside of news (save for the sports) on network tv because MOST of it these days IS trash. Not because of sexual content but because it's all copycat oriented and if there is one successful genre on one network the others follow with the same type of show ad nauseum.

I imagine thanks to the success of DH, we'll start seeing tons of crappy night time soaps...especially since the 'reality tv' genre seems to have run it's course and is on the way down. :rolleyes:

So I'm not avoiding DH because of it's content being trash, I avoid most network programming in general because it's trash, not sexual, but rather brain dead time filler.

[memyselfI]

In reality, there's not much difference in the bare backside that we saw and what you see on the sidelines with the cheerleaders.

If anything... I thought it was a weak intro to MNF. It took too long and the conversation was sorta stale. I got the joke, but it kinda fell flat.

Did your 8 year old ask questions about the big breasted half naked women on the sidelines that received plenty of camera time? I doubt it.


We expect to see the cheerleaders and indeed it's part of the NFL game plan and I don't have a problem with them because most of it is done in a tasteful fashion.

[memyselfI]

I would of felt better about the whole thing if she would have dropped towel facing the camera but really I didn't think it was so great when he chose her over his team. I hate who the NFL has chosen for their poster boys though. Bunch of classless jerks.


PhilFree :arrow:

Well it does perpetuate that whole 'Leon' image image, doesn't it???

[Eleazar]

:deevee: don't watch anymore if you don't like it :deevee:

[MOhillbilly]

Kids see worse on pbs. Oh and dont forget agout what the little grubby faced crumb snatchers p/u on the schoolyard.

getagrip

[memyselfI]

:deevee: don't watch anymore if you don't like it :deevee:

Don't watch MNF because the netork that shows it might decide to slip in 'in your face sexual innuendo as a means of selling one of their shows?'

You think the NFL, with its ever slipping MNF ratings, would agree with your solution?

:rolleyes:

[Chiefnj]

The NFL is hypocritical.

They have no problem having sponsers for different erectile disfunction products, have no problem airing beer commercials from sponsers with two buxom babes fighting it out in a fountain, no problem with all the innuendo about THE TWINS.

The intro to MNF was funny. It doesn't surprise me that people complained. It is a reflection of the attempted return to family values that was a big part of the election.

[memyselfI]

The NFL is hypocritical.

They have no problem having sponsers for different erectile disfunction products, have no problem airing beer commercials from sponsers with two buxom babes fighting it out in a fountain, no problem with all the innuendo about THE TWINS.

The intro to MNF was funny. It doesn't surprise me that people complained. It is a reflection of the attempted return to family values that was a big part of the election.

NOOOOO, it has nothing to do with the 'return to family values' (and the bogus bull shit the 'Focus on the Family' crowd are trying to sell) this has to do with the NFL doing the EXACT SAME SHIT they said they were going to put a stop to in January. And yet, months later it's happened again and this time with NO context whatsoever other than the most controversial player in the league was involved in a sexual skit that was by design crafted to elicit a certain reaction...what people were accusing JJ of at the SB.

It has to do with some people complaining about Janet's semi-exposed black boob but not about Nicolette's completely exposed white back...and yes, there are racial undertones here but that is not my beef with the segment though I will admit they are there now and were there with the SB. (perhaps some subliminal OJ/Nicole connotation playing out in this reaction, who knows)

As far as the erectile dysfunction commercials, if done tastefully I have no problem with them just as I don't with tampon or Massengil commercials. The point is not to erase sex from TV, MNF, the planet but to put it in a context that relates to the programming being offered and in a fashion that is not so in your face.

The reason I thought the outrage for the JJ SB segment was so ridiculous is because she is KNOWN for her sexual nature in her music, dance, and personna. Also, the dancers in the scene were in lingerie and yet people were in a huff about her boob flash? Considering the entire skit, the boob was NOT out of context.

But the skit for MNF clearly was.

[Bob Dole]

But the skit for MNF clearly was.

As it is nearly every week.

[ROYC75]

NOOOOO, it has nothing to do with the 'return to family values' (and the bogus bull shit Focus on the Family' crowd are trying to sell) this has to do with the NFL doing the EXACT SAME SHIT they said they were going to put a stop to in January.

It has to do with some people complaining about Janet's black boob but not about Nicolette's white back...and yes, there are racial undertones here but that is not my beef with the segment though I will admit they are there now and were there with the SB.

As far as the erectile dysfunction commercials, if done tastefully I have no problem with them just as I don't with tampon or Massengil commercials. The point is not to erase sex from TV, MNF, the planet but to put it in a context that relates to the programming being offered and in a fashion that is not so in your face.

The reason I thought the outrage for the JJ SB segment was so ridiculous is because she is KNOWN for her sexual nature in her music, dance, and personna. Also, the dancers in the scene were in lingerie and yet people were in a huff about her boob flash? Considering the entire skit, the boob was NOT out of context.

But the skit for MNF clearly was.

You are so full of shit it stinks, change your diaper.

Thr JJ SB fiasco actually showed the tit, it was planned, just like the ABC stint, however, it didn't show any tit, ass, puss, dick.... something that is off limits to regular TV. It was a stint that left you to imagine what it was, clearly within the lines of the FCC guidelines.

It's just that the NFL is being hypocritical. ABC did not rip the clothes off to expose anything, the towel was dropped but all it revealed was the back of her. It was up to you to imagine what was on the other side.

If you are going to have guidelines in tv land, stay with it, any exposure of the breast,penis, snatch is off limits . Some TV shows actually shows a bare ass from time to time, did they show her bare ass that night ? I didn't see it. What is the difference between some heated sex scene and this ? It was on National TV primetime during a family event . Right ?

Get over it, look at the cheerleaders now, you see lots of skin,boobs, some cheeks at times. We have seen girls in snug fitting shorts, so tight you can see camel toes at times. Girls thatare excited that nipples stick out at times.... but this is a family show, right . Little Johnny would be so damn proud to watch.

Maybe you are so jealous that Nicolette got to undress in front of TO instead of you, I dunno. But whaever your reason is, it doesn't stack up to what the general public sees on a daily basic. Daily soaps show just as much on tv each day.

Get over it.

[memyselfI]

You are so full of shit it stinks, change your diaper.

Thr JJ SB fiasco actually showed the tit, it was planned, just like the ABC stint, however, it didn't show any tit, ass, puss, dick.... something that is off limits to regular TV. It was a stint that left you to imagine what it was, clearly within the lines of the FCC guidelines.

It's just that the NFL is being hypocritical. ABC did not rip the clothes off to expose anything, the towel was dropped but all it revealed was the back of her. It was up to you to imagine what was on the other side.

If you are going to have guidelines in tv land, stay with it, any exposure of the breast,penis, snatch is off limits . Some TV shows actually shows a bare ass from time to time, did they show her bare ass that night ? I didn't see it. What is the difference between some heated sex scene and this ? It was on National TV primetime during a family event . Right ?

Get over it, look at the cheerleaders now, you see lots of skin,boobs, some cheeks at times. We have seen girls in snug fitting shorts, so tight you can see camel toes at times. Girls thatare excited that nipples stick out at times.... but this is a family show, right . Little Johnny would be so damn proud to watch.

Maybe you are so jealous that Nicolette got to undress in front of TO instead of you, I dunno. But whaever your reason is, it doesn't stack up to what the general public sees on a daily basic. Daily soaps show just as much on tv each day.

Get over it.

That is why I don't watch daily soaps with my kids...

that is why I don't watch night soaps or other type of programming that would feature a heated sex scene with my kids. We watch programming that is age appropriate for them and we would like to think that MNF is one of them.

[ROYC75]

That is why I don't watch daily soaps with my kids...

that is why I don't watch night soaps or other type of programming that would feature a heated sex scene with my kids. We watch programming that is age appropriate for them and we would like to think that MNF is one of them.


Well it's not the 50's / 60's anymore, TV has changed. Best keep the kiddies from Prime Time TV now a days. Back to KET, Disney, Cartoon Network, etc for the kiddies and you.

Some day they will grow up and watch it, maybe you too ?

[memyselfI]

Well it's not the 50's / 60's anymore, TV has changed. Best keep the kiddies from Prime Time TV now a days. Back to KET, Disney, Cartoon Network, etc for the kiddies and you.

Some day they will grow up and watch it, maybe you too ?

Agreed, and I'm fine with that. That is why we choose to watch programming (Nickelodeon, Discovery, etc.) that is appropriate and not try to have it censored because others choose to watch and should have the choice. But when something is out of context and inappropriate it should be noted...especially when it's happened within the past year and the FCC had already come down on them for this very issue.

[Chiefnj]

Agreed, and I'm fine with that. That is why we choose to watch programming (Nickelodeon, Discovery, etc.) that is appropriate and not try to have it censored because others choose to watch and should have the choice. But when something is out of context and inappropriate it should be noted...especially when it's happened within the past year and the FCC had already come down on them for this very issue.


What exactly was inappropriate and is not seen during commercials of sponsors for the NFL, or not seen when cameras are doing closeups of cheerleaders during the game??

[memyselfI]

What exactly was inappropriate and is not seen during commercials of sponsors for the NFL, or not seen when cameras are doing closeups of cheerleaders during the game??


Again, we expect the cheerleaders as they are in context with the game.

What was inappropriate was the NFL or the networks designing the skit with the intent to inflame the public so soon after the same thing happening at the SB. Supposedly the NFL was going to crackdown on this sort of thing and yet, there it was again.

So it was not the nudity in EITHER instance that has me irked. It's the titillation of the public and then claiming that it was not planned, it's regrettable, it's going to stop only to see it being done again.

And in this environment with the FCC gaining more power and cracking down even harder it's just ridiculous....

[Chiefnj]

[QUOTE=memyselfI]
What was inappropriate was the NFL or the networks designing the skit with the intent to inflame the public so soon after the same thing happening at the SB. Supposedly the NFL was going to crackdown on this sort of thing and yet, there it was again.

[QUOTE]

The intent wasn't to inflame. The intent was to present a humorous piece about one of its television shows. The intent was to reach out to a male demographic and hope some of them might turn into a show called "desperate housewives"; something by the title alone the male demographic might not tune into. What was the NFL going to crackdown on, humor?

[memyselfI]

[QUOTE=memyselfI]
What was inappropriate was the NFL or the networks designing the skit with the intent to inflame the public so soon after the same thing happening at the SB. Supposedly the NFL was going to crackdown on this sort of thing and yet, there it was again.

[QUOTE]


The intent wasn't to inflame. The intent was to present a humorous piece about one of its television shows. The intent was to reach out to a male demographic and hope some of them might turn into a show called "desperate housewives"; something by the title alone the male demographic might not tune into. What was the NFL going to crackdown on, humor?

The intent was to titillate which will inflame...

[Phobia]

I thought it was highly inappropriate too, denise. I really thought they should have just shown that full frontal instead of cutting away. I really wanted to see the surgical scars. That's always intriguing to me.

[Brock]

I bet TO actually tapped that bitch.

[ROYC75]

Might as well go back to the 60's TV then. If you think that was bad, wait another 10 years, it's going to get worst.

Sign of the times.

[KCWolfman]

They didn't show anything. Shut up whiners

[Iowanian]

With a little luck, someday JR might get lucky enough to see a womans exposed back that doesn't belong to "Jabba The Mamma"

[Michael Michigan]

They didn't show anything. Shut up whiners

Titillating...


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/eo/20041117/capt.076722f1e1e7ba739279efa942bb3af3

[The Bad Guy]

It's sad that this is what we bitch about.

They show shit like this all the time on commericals for shower products.

Some of you people need to remove the stick from your ass. I'm sure your child was traumatized by a woman's back. He probably didn't know what a woman's back looked like without all the hair on it from living with you all his life.

[Brock]

I'm sure your child was traumatized by a woman's back. He probably didn't know what a woman's back looked like without all the hair on it from living with you all his life.

Ha!!!

[KCWolfman]

It's sad that this is what we bitch about.

They show shit like this all the time on commericals for shower products.

Some of you people need to remove the stick from your ass. I'm sure your child was traumatized by a woman's back. He probably didn't know what a woman's back looked like without all the hair on it from living with you all his life.
Hell, some of the whiners are probably glad they have a multitude of douche, women's shampoo, and tampon commercials for their sons to watch.

Feminzation begins at home.

[Baby Lee]

They didn't show anything. Shut up whiners
But there was innuendo [which by the way is a funny term in itself to use for circumspect reference to sexual activity].

[stevieray]

After I saw it, the first thing I thought is TO can't act worth a damn..

[Mile High Mania]

We expect to see the cheerleaders and indeed it's part of the NFL game plan and I don't have a problem with them because most of it is done in a tasteful fashion.

There is 100X more T&A availalble to confuse your 8 year old during ANY NFL game. The up close shots of the jigglin' and juggy chearleaders are fine with you, but the 3 second bare backside drives you nuts?

Imagine the horror when this li'l kid turned around and saw half naked hotties!
http://www.mikesnewsquips.freeservers.com/ph12,1,00cheerleaders.jpg

http://www.dallascowboys.com/cheerleaders/images/redmond_091904_300.jpg

http://www.dallascowboys.com/cheerleaders/images/bios/girls/2004/bio_crystal_risher2004.jpg

Gotta love the Cowboys' Cheerleader Calender pics
http://www.dallascowboys.com/cheerleaders/images/photoboards/zooms/amber9_calendar_300.jpg

[memyselfI]

Might as well go back to the 60's TV then. If you think that was bad, wait another 10 years, it's going to get worst.

Sign of the times.

That is NOT what I'm saying. I'm saying this stuff is FINE on TV in context and that particular clip was NOT in context.

I'm not for censoring crap like Desperate Housewives and I'm not even for fining the network for 'indecency' but I am for calling it what it is and pointing out that the NFL and the networks are playing dangerous games here and that ultimately will come back to bite ALL TV shows (and that will suck big time because I want to see adult programming on my pay tv channels and in the evening when the kids are asleep or in the other room) and they will have no one but themselves to blame...

afterall the FCC is just dying to crackdown on crap like this and for some reason the NFL is obliging them, WILLINGLY.

[jcroft]

Forgive me if this was a stupid question, but was it really the NFL responsible for this, or ABC? Denise seems to be laying the blame squarley on the NFL, and I would be surprised if the NFL even saw the intros before they aired. But, I could be wrong. Does anyone know?

[BigRedChief]

It's hypocritical. If the NFL wasn't using SEX to promote itself then put the cheerleaders is sweat suits or real athletic gear. Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

[BigRedChief]

After I saw it, the first thing I thought is TO can't act worth a damn..

But man can he catch the ball and run...:thumb:

[stevieray]

But man can he catch the ball and run...:thumb:

He wasn't playing football.

[Baby Lee]

Forgive me if this was a stupid question, but was it really the NFL responsible for this, or ABC? Denise seems to be laying the blame squarley on the NFL, and I would be surprised if the NFL even saw the intros before they aired. But, I could be wrong. Does anyone know?
ABC is responsible for the promo. NFL is responsible for hypcritically denouncing it after the fact. Not in that they knew about the promo, but in that they promote sex and violence in their own right.

[ROYC75]

Your 8 year old boy is going to be coming of age real soon.

I remember our oldest son, at the ripe old age of 9 ( 1985 )was watching some movie when the kissing got heated and clothes came off, not showing anything much at all. But got up with a big ole boner and was asking why it happened. The funny part was we had company, we all hit the floor laughing out loud.

My 5 year old grandson was sitting in my lap last year, watching Shena, where Tanya Roberts is riding the horse, tits just a bouncing, he looked at me, giggled and said ,I want one of them. I said what, the horse ( playing it off ), he said no way, the girl !

Kids are going to see this stuff now days, peroiod. As long as the FCC allows it, the time will come when you will see the breast exposed on regular TV. It's just a matter of time. They show enough ass now, I don't see them ever getting to the point of totally naked full frontal.

[jcroft]

ABC is responsible for the promo. NFL is responsible for hypcritically denouncing it after the fact. Not in that they knew about the promo, but in that they promote sex and violence in their own right.

I don't disagree with that at all. I just keep hearing people say things like, "how could the NFL let this happen after the Superbowl?" and I keep thinking, "it wasn't them, it was ABC."

Right?

[TEX]

IMO people are making way too much of the issue. T.O. with a $lut in a locker room before a game who drops her towel...BIG DEAL!

[Clint in Wichita]

I'm stunned at what a pathetic bunch of prudish pussies our nation has become. If you are offended by seeing a naked woman's back from the waist up in ANY context, do the planet (Earth) a favor and kill yourself. Painfully.

[Straight, No Chaser]

The intro to MNF was funny. It doesn't surprise me that people complained. It is a reflection of the attempted return to family values that was a big part of the election.

ROFL
since when does the "majority" act like they think?



--->

[Iowanian]

The only women offended by that are the ones who couldn't get that woman's Skirt over their tankles.

[KCWolfman]

That is NOT what I'm saying. I'm saying this stuff is FINE on TV in context and that particular clip was NOT in context.

I'm not for censoring crap like Desperate Housewives and I'm not even for fining the network for 'indecency' but I am for calling it what it is and pointing out that the NFL and the networks are playing dangerous games here and that ultimately will come back to bite ALL TV shows (and that will suck big time because I want to see adult programming on my pay tv channels and in the evening when the kids are asleep or in the other room) and they will have no one but themselves to blame...

afterall the FCC is just dying to crackdown on crap like this and for some reason the NFL is obliging them, WILLINGLY.
Ahh, the "it's not what they showed, but what they meant" argument.

Liberalism at its finest.

[Cannibal]

I am so fuggin sick of this oversensitivity and "moral outrage" these days.

Aside from Denise's incessant whining, IMO, a lot of it is the right wing Jesus freaks that seem to have come out of the woodwork ever since the gay marriage issue came about.

In Europe they show nudity during fuggin commercials and they seem to be doing just fine.

[Cannibal]

I'm stunned at what a pathetic bunch of prudish pussies our nation has become. If you are offended by seeing a naked woman's back from the waist up in ANY context, do the planet (Earth) a favor and kill yourself. Painfully.

I completely agree.

[KCWolfman]

I am so fuggin sick of this oversensitivity and "moral outrage" these days.

Aside from Denise's incessant whining, IMO, a lot of it is the right wing Jesus freaks that seem to have come out of the woodwork ever since the gay marriage issue came about.

In Europe they show nudity during fuggin commercials and they seem to be doing just fine.
#1 Yup. Moral outrage is an excuse.
#2 In other words, the majority who oppose such redifinition of marriage should not say anything because your minority point is somehow more valid? I didn't realize that was how our country worked.
#3 If they are doing so well in Europe why do they suffer higher taxes, worse healthcare, and the US to defend their lazy asses?

[Cannibal]

#1 Yup. Moral outrage is an excuse.
#2 In other words, the majority who oppose such redifinition of marriage should not say anything because your minority point is somehow more valid? I didn't realize that was how our country worked.
#3 If they are doing so well in Europe why do they suffer higher taxes, worse healthcare, and the US to defend their lazy asses?

1.) These people crying are crying because they were offended "morally".
2.) I would be willing to bet that the majority of the people crying are the same jesus freaks that also cried about the gay marriage issue.
3.) OBVIOUSLY, I am not referring to taxes or healthcare, I am referring to Europe's views on sexuality.

[Clint in Wichita]

#1 Yup. Moral outrage is an excuse.
#2 In other words, the majority who oppose such redifinition of marriage should not say anything because your minority point is somehow more valid? I didn't realize that was how our country worked.
#3 If they are doing so well in Europe why do they suffer higher taxes, worse healthcare, and the US to defend their lazy asses?

Maybe God is punishing them for showing boobs on TV?

[KCWolfman]

1.) These people crying are crying because they were offended "morally".
2.) I would be willing to bet that the majority of the people crying are the same jesus freaks that also cried about the gay marriage issue.
3.) OBVIOUSLY, I am not referring to taxes or healthcare, I am referring to Europe's views on sexuality.
1. I agreed with your first statement, I still do.
2. Define Jesus Freak. Evidently anyone who is a Christian is a Jesus Freak to you
3. Who cares what they think in Europe on a single issue? I don't live in Europe and don't plan to anytime soon.

[Brock]

3.) OBVIOUSLY, I am not referring to taxes or healthcare, I am referring to Europe's views on sexuality.

I still prefer American porn.

[KCWolfman]

Maybe God is punishing them for showing boobs on TV?
Naw, we obviously are suffering from boobs on the internet like yourself without huge repercussions.

[ChiefsOne]

Denise how can you be offended at that when just last week you were saying your daughter could wear "whatever saying" on a shirt that she wanted.

I think I would much rather my son see a very particially naked woman on TV than his sister wearing a shirt that says" I suck.....and swallow!"

[Clint in Wichita]

Ahh, the "it's not what they showed, but what they meant" argument.

Liberalism at its finest.


You've just described the religious right as well.

[Cannibal]

I still prefer American porn.

I've never seen European porn, so I can't compare. :)

[Clint in Wichita]

Naw, we obviously are suffering from boobs on the internet like yourself without huge repercussions.


A "boob"? What is this, 1955?

[Cannibal]

1. I agreed with your first statement, I still do.
2. Define Jesus Freak. Evidently anyone who is a Christian is a Jesus Freak to you
3. Who cares what they think in Europe on a single issue? I don't live in Europe and don't plan to anytime soon.

2.) Yeah, basically, anyone who is a Christian is a jesus freak to me. However, some are DEFINATELY worse than others.
3.) They are not NEARLY as repressed as we are in the country and they seem to be doing just fine socially.

[KCWolfman]

A "boob"? What is this, 1955?
Well you didn't originally type "dumbass" so I had to use what I was given.

[Clint in Wichita]

I still prefer American porn.


Apparently God does too. That is why we have low taxes, quality health care, and a strong military.

I wonder what sort of porn the Almighty prefers?

The next time I'm trying to decide between group anal and all girl, I'll just keep "WWJD" in mind.

[KCWolfman]

2.) Yeah, basically, anyone who is a Christian is a jesus freak to me. However, some are DEFINATELY worse than others.
3.) They are not NEARLY as repressed as we are in the country and they seem to be doing just fine socially.
3. Who cares? You can't remove one facet from a society and say it will work in every other society. That is like saying "We all should use 100% solar powered homes and cars because they work great in Alaska for six months out of the year".

[Cannibal]

The next time I'm trying to decide between group anal and all girl, I'll just keep "WWJD" in mind.

:)

[Clint in Wichita]

3. Who cares? You can't remove one facet from a society and say it will work in every other society. That is like saying "We all should use 100% solar powered homes and cars because they work great in Alaska for six months out of the year".


What exactly is it that would prevent more relaxed sexual attitudes from working in this country?

The same wackos that cause the US to be repressed in the first place.

[Cannibal]

3. Who cares? You can't remove one facet from a society and say it will work in every other society. That is like saying "We all should use 100% solar powered homes and cars because they work great in Alaska for six months out of the year".

I think you can. If they can get by without implosion by seeing a fuggin tit on TV, I really don't see why we can't.

Oh yeah, I forgot, we have too many uptight aholes who want to hear themselves bitch and cry.

I guess they think it will make them appear more decent in the eyes of the lawd.

[chiefz]

Seems a bit ridiculas to me when I saw nothing any worse than the commercials that they have had on during breaks for the past few years.

The NFL was basically pissed because ABC used the MNF intro to promote one of their new shows.

Some people will bitch about anything.

[Clint in Wichita]

I think you can. If they can get by without implosion by seeing a fuggin tit on TV, I really don't see why we can't.

Oh yeah, I forgot, we have too many uptight aholes who want to hear themselves bitch and cry.

I guess they think it will make them appear more decent in the eyes of the lawd.

Well, they're wrong. I think we've already established that God likes porn...otherwise our country would be in ruins like Europe.

[memyselfI]

Denise how can you be offended at that when just last week you were saying your daughter could wear "whatever saying" on a shirt that she wanted.

I think I would much rather my son see a very particially naked woman on TV than his sister wearing a shirt that says" I suck.....and swallow!"

I said my daughter might be able to wear a 'naughty' tshirt because there was not a clear innuendo with the shirt. It's more in the minds of those who read it...My daughter is 23 and thus wears what she wants. FTR, she's got quite the rack and thus wears a number of shirts that are quite snug fitting and show off her great figure and she looks FABULOUS. Did I allow her to wear those shirts when she was 16, nope. When she hit 18 she started wearing things that I was not crazy about but she paid with them herself so I bit my lip and chose my battles.

To clarify, I said the shirt you mentioned WAS UTTERLY INAPPROPRIATE and no daughter of mine would be so lack of self respect as to wear something like that...

The point with this clip on MNF is there was in your face, no mistaking, no other intention for the scene. Therefore, it was in an inappropriate context given what a football game is.

[memyselfI]

I am so fuggin sick of this oversensitivity and "moral outrage" these days.

Aside from Denise's incessant whining, IMO, a lot of it is the right wing Jesus freaks that seem to have come out of the woodwork ever since the gay marriage issue came about.

In Europe they show nudity during fuggin commercials and they seem to be doing just fine.


You do understand I have no problem with them showing the scene in the proper context, do you? I happen to disagree that MNF was the proper context. And, considering the NFL had promised to not allow this type of thing happen on the networks they choose to broadcast their product, I think they should be held accountable.

[memyselfI]

Ahh, the "it's not what they showed, but what they meant" argument.

Liberalism at its finest.


Yep, they meant to cause a stir, get ratings, get publicity over a controversy...this was not by accident. And as such I think the NFL lied about it's involvement with the CBS incident and their intentions to crack down on this crap.

Their intent was quite clear and they did not mean what they said back at the SB.

[memyselfI]

Your 8 year old boy is going to be coming of age real soon.

I remember our oldest son, at the ripe old age of 9 ( 1985 )was watching some movie when the kissing got heated and clothes came off, not showing anything much at all. But got up with a big ole boner and was asking why it happened. The funny part was we had company, we all hit the floor laughing out loud.

My 5 year old grandson was sitting in my lap last year, watching Shena, where Tanya Roberts is riding the horse, tits just a bouncing, he looked at me, giggled and said ,I want one of them. I said what, the horse ( playing it off ), he said no way, the girl !

Kids are going to see this stuff now days, peroiod. As long as the FCC allows it, the time will come when you will see the breast exposed on regular TV. It's just a matter of time. They show enough ass now, I don't see them ever getting to the point of totally naked full frontal.

Again, if I know that will be the case I can make the decision to partake with a family viewing or not.

The reason our family switched the channel from Janet and Justin at the SB is because I 1. don't like her music but 2. figured it would be trash seeing what is on MTV these days and thus we watched something else during the segment. I took it upon myself based on the information I knew ahead of time to not watch because I figured it would be crap...

thus, the kids missed the 1/2 second boob flash but more importantly they missed the women dancing in lingerie and the dry humping during the segment. Darn, having a previous knowledge of MTV and JJ/JT gave me a headsup to avoid the show.

I guess next time I know not to tune into MNF until 8:05. Which is unfortunate because the kids like to see the HWJ theme song and the players who are featured in the song.

[Clint in Wichita]

You do understand I have no problem with them showing the scene in the proper context, do you? I happen to disagree that MNF was the proper context. And, considering the NFL had promised to not allow this type of thing happen on the networks they choose to broadcast their product, I think they should be held accountable.

This wasn't "that type of thing". It was a woman's bare back, from the waist up. Sure, it was clear that she wanted to have sex with TO, but get this:

IF YOUR CHILD UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW, AND KNOWS WHAT SCREWING IS, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

IF YOUR CHILD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SCREWING IS, THEN THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE MNF INTRO WAS IMPLYING. IF THEY ASK, SAY THAT THE 2 PEOPLE WERE SIMPLY "TALKING". PROBLEM SOLVED.

[The Bad Guy]

I said my daughter might be able to wear a 'naughty' tshirt because there was not a clear innuendo with the shirt. It's more in the minds of those who read it...My daughter is 23 and thus wears what she wants. FTR, she's got quite the rack and thus wears a number of shirts that are quite snug fitting and show off her great figure and she looks FABULOUS. Did I allow her to wear those shirts when she was 16, nope. When she hit 18 she started wearing things that I was not crazy about but she paid with them herself so I bit my lip and chose my battles.

The point with this clip on MNF is there was in your face, no mistaking, no other intention for the scene. Therefore, it was in an inappropriate context given what a football game is.

You complain about a 3 minute intro to a football game but you're on the internet talking about your daughter's rack?

You are really, really ****ed up.

[ChiefsOne]

memyselfI I said my daughter might be able to wear a 'naughty' tshirt because there was not a clear innuendo with the shirt.

Not clear? That says slut all over it! IMHO

I don't think the MNF thing was a big deal, but I wouldn't want my daughter wearing anything like that!

It is really hard from where I sit to be hardlined about these topics. I like looking a beautiful women naked or not, but I don't like people looking at my daughther the same way.
:banghead:

[The Bad Guy]

Again, if I know that will be the case I can make the decision to partake with a family viewing or not.

The reason our family switched the channel from Janet and Justin at the SB is because I 1. don't like her music but 2. figured it would be trash seeing what is on MTV these days and thus we watched something else during the segment. I took it upon myself based on the information I knew ahead of time to not watch because I figured it would be crap...

thus, the kids missed the 1/2 second boob flash but more importantly they missed the women dancing in lingerie and the dry humping during the segment. Darn, having a previous knowledge of MTV and JJ/JT gave me a headsup to avoid the show.

I guess next time I know not to tune into MNF until 8:05. Which is unfortunate because the kids like to see the HWJ theme song and the players who are featured in the song.

When your children are home from school, do they ever catch a glimpse of a soap opera?

Because if they did, they would see worse shit than that every single day from 12-4.

You again are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[KCWolfman]

I think you can. If they can get by without implosion by seeing a fuggin tit on TV, I really don't see why we can't.

Oh yeah, I forgot, we have too many uptight aholes who want to hear themselves bitch and cry.

I guess they think it will make them appear more decent in the eyes of the lawd.
You already have blatant sexuality on many channels today, you have it on billboards, you have it on cable, you have it prime time with proper prior notification.

Shucky darn, you don't have an uncircumsized unit coming at you while talking about viagra during an episode of Barney. I know that must be crushing you inside, but I don't see the big deal at all except from extremists like yourself who demand that your lack of judgement be the norm for the rest of us.

[memyselfI]

When your children are home from school, do they ever catch a glimpse of a soap opera?

Because if they did, they would see worse shit than that every single day from 12-4.

You again are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

No, they don't watch network TV, at all.

[Garcia Bronco]

I saw it of Espinnn the next day and didn't think it was so bad..........it was out of place(maybe) but didn't find it offending at all.

[Raiderhater]

You complain about a 3 minute intro to a football game but you're on the internet talking about your daughter's rack?

You are really, really ****ed up.



Regardless of which side of the issue you come down on, I think everyone can acknowledge that Frank has an excellent point here.

[The Bad Guy]

No, they don't watch network TV, at all.

So then why were they watching MNF?

[memyselfI]

memyselfI

Not clear? That says slut all over it! IMHO

I don't think the MNF thing was a big deal, but I wouldn't want my daughter wearing anything like that!

It is really hard from where I sit to be hardlined about these topics. I like looking a beautiful women naked or not, but I don't like people looking at my daughther the same way.
:banghead:

A shirt that says 'naughty' means 'slut.' But a woman standing naked in a man's locker room trying to seduce a player from a his job to her does not? :hmmm: :spock:

[memyselfI]

So then why were they watching MNF?

We watch sports on network. No regular programming. FWIW, I have HBO and Cinemax and am completely aware of (and enjoy) the adult programming on those channels. But block it from the kids.

In all honesty, my kids are not aware of many channels outside of History, Discovery, Animal Planet, Disney, and the Nickelodeons.

[Clint in Wichita]

You already have blatant sexuality on many channels today, you have it on billboards, you have it on cable, you have it prime time with proper prior notification.

Shucky darn, you don't have an uncircumsized unit coming at you while talking about viagra during an episode of Barney. I know that must be crushing you inside, but I don't see the big deal at all except from extremists like yourself who demand that your lack of judgement be the norm for the rest of us.

Extremist? You are a straight, otherwise sane man who is afraid of boobs on TV.

Talk about extreme.

[memyselfI]

You complain about a 3 minute intro to a football game but you're on the internet talking about your daughter's rack?

You are really, really ****ed up.

Well she's an adult now. It's not like I'm talking about a child...

and if my son were 23 and I'd seen that scene with him I would not have batted an eye. Just as I did not when my 12 year old saw a replay on the news this morning. He just rolled his eyes and said 'Terrell Owens is a jerk.'

[memyselfI]

This wasn't "that type of thing". It was a woman's bare back, from the waist up. Sure, it was clear that she wanted to have sex with TO, but get this:

IF YOUR CHILD UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW, AND KNOWS WHAT SCREWING IS, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

IF YOUR CHILD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SCREWING IS, THEN THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE MNF INTRO WAS IMPLYING. IF THEY ASK, SAY THAT THE 2 PEOPLE WERE SIMPLY "TALKING". PROBLEM SOLVED.

Because the question was just 'why did that show that before the game' and then I had to explain that it was because they were trying to advertise their other program that was about women like the one in the locker room...

to which there was an 'oh.' He just looked perplexed (like why is he talking to her and not warming up), not confused or traumatized or even embarrassed.

[Cannibal]

You already have blatant sexuality on many channels today, you have it on billboards, you have it on cable, you have it prime time with proper prior notification.

Shucky darn, you don't have an uncircumsized unit coming at you while talking about viagra during an episode of Barney. I know that must be crushing you inside, but I don't see the big deal at all except from extremists like yourself who demand that your lack of judgement be the norm for the rest of us.

I am not an extremest, and I am certainly not a religious prude either. Neither the MNF, or SB episode bothered me in the slightest and wouldn't have even if I had children. I don't have to feign outrage to make myself feel better.

[memyselfI]

I am not an extremest, and I am certainly not a religious prude either. Neither the MNF, or SB episode bothered me in the slightest and wouldn't have even if I had children. I don't have to feign outrage to make myself feel better.

I would agree with this point if the NFL had not made themselves look like an innocent victim of the first episode. They did though and in the process they made Janet Jackson's boob seem like one of the most subversive episodes of cultural exposure in the history of TV...

and then months later it happens again and it's supposedly the networks fault because the NFL didn't make itself crystal clear of the standards by which they choose to operate??? :rolleyes: :shake: :banghead:

The irony is these idiots pushing the envelope are merely fanning the flames of those who would use religion/'cultural decline'/'values' arguments as a means to try to censor or control programming elsewhere. I hope the NFL and ABC's lame attempts at publicity are worth the backlash it will generate. :shake:

[KCWolfman]

I am not an extremest, and I am certainly not a religious prude either. Neither the MNF, or SB episode bothered me in the slightest and wouldn't have even if I had children. I don't have to feign outrage to make myself feel better.
#1. If all Christians are Jesus Freaks, as you stated earlier, then you are an extremist.

#2. I wasn't bothered by the MNF issue at all.

#3. I wouldn't have been bothered by the SB incident had it been accompanied with a warning prior to the halftime show.

#4. I haven't feigned any outrage.

#5. Don't tell me how you would react with your children until you actually have children.

[Pennywise]

I wasn't bothered by the MNF in the least. I just thought it was ****ing stupid.

[ChiefsOne]

But a woman standing naked in a man's locker room trying to seduce a player from a his job to her does not?


Never ever said she wasn't. Nor do I care, just pointing out what differences you are offended to.

[KCWolfman]

Extremist? You are a straight, otherwise sane man who is afraid of boobs on TV.

Talk about extreme.
Boobs? What is this, 1955?

[KCWolfman]

We watch sports on network. No regular programming. FWIW, I have HBO and Cinemax and am completely aware of (and enjoy) the adult programming on those channels. But block it from the kids.

In all honesty, my kids are not aware of many channels outside of History, Discovery, Animal Planet, Disney, and the Nickelodeons.
So you don't mind half naked cheerleaders grinding?

[Iowanian]

If the MNF episode confused MemyJR..........He's going Ted Bundy when he stumbles into a link of his mother posing on the internet about her "marrital aide" the size of a 10 gallon hat.

[Cannibal]

#1. If all Christians are Jesus Freaks, as you stated earlier, then you are an extremist.

#2. I wasn't bothered by the MNF issue at all.

#3. I wouldn't have been bothered by the SB incident had it been accompanied with a warning prior to the halftime show.

#4. I haven't feigned any outrage.

#5. Don't tell me how you would react with your children until you actually have children.

If me calling christians jesus freaks makes me an extremist, then color me extremest.

I didn't say you did feign outrage. Why are getting so defensive. I am talking about the people who are outraged.

And yes, I do know how I would react with children if I had them. They certainly would not be sheltered the way most people try to shelter their children in this country.

[stevieray]

Cannibal hates Jesus freaks?

That's news.

[Cannibal]

Cannibal hates Jesus freaks?

That's news.

I don't hate jesus freaks and have friendly relationships with some. But I certainly don't like them trying to push their agenda on non-jesus freaks.

[KCWolfman]

I don't hate jesus freaks and have friendly relationships with some. But I certainly don't like them trying to push their agenda on non-jesus freaks.
You mean like you are attempting to do with your European analogy?

[ROYC75]

Here ya go meme, is this your 8 year old kid, or the oldest one ?

WARNING, NUDITY, NOT WORK SAFE !!!!!!!!!

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/hornykid.html

[Cannibal]

You mean like you are attempting to do with your European analogy?

I'm not attempting to do anything. I am simply saying that the people overreacting to MNF episode are pissing me off.

[ROYC75]

Just reading that URL scares the shit out of me.

It's funny , the boy can't hardly stand it . ROFL

[KCWolfman]

I'm not attempting to do anything. I am simply saying that the people overreacting to MNF episode are pissing me off.
I agree with your MNF take, 100%

However, you are pushing your agenda. You even support your agenda with a European "model". You are doing the same thing that you are complaining about the "jesus freaks" doing. It is only because your end result is appealing to you that you do not see it as an agenda.

[Raiderhater]

I agree with your MNF take, 100%

However, you are pushing your agenda. You even support your agenda with a European "model". You are doing the same thing that you are complaining about the "jesus freaks" doing. It is only because your end result is appealing to you that you do not see it as an agenda.


Precisely. Everyone has a belief system that they think others should follow or wish they would. Anyone who speaks their mind on any given subject is engaged in pushing their beliefs, or agenda.

[memyselfI]

So you don't mind half naked cheerleaders grinding?

Nope, they are an expected part of the game and one the NFL isn't saying they are sorry for on the one hand and then pushing their presence on the other.

[Cannibal]

I agree with your MNF take, 100%

However, you are pushing your agenda. You even support your agenda with a European "model". You are doing the same thing that you are complaining about the "jesus freaks" doing. It is only because your end result is appealing to you that you do not see it as an agenda.

The MNF episode was within the limits of the FCC. These people crying about it need to STFU.

If pre-SB tit FCC standards were maintained, I would not have any problem whatsoever, hence no agenda on my part.

[Clint in Wichita]

I wonder if those who would trample all over free speech are the same ones who cry the loudest when they feel that their right to bear arms is being threatened?

I guess only the parts of the Constitution they agree with are valid.

Kinda like the Bible.

[Clint in Wichita]

Nope, they are an expected part of the game and one the NFL isn't saying they are sorry for on the one hand and then pushing their presence on the other.


Then tell your kid she was a fuggin' cheerleader and stop whining.