Vermont @ KU

[Coach]

KU up 8-5 aganist Vermont with roughly about 15:39 in the first half for the people who are stuck at work or is a KU fan w/ no radio/TV.

[alnorth]

Vermont just fired off 9 points to take a 14-8 lead.

[Coach]

Vermont is leading 14-8 aganist KU with 13:51 to go.

KU isn't playing any D at all.

[Skip Towne]

OH NO!!!!!!

[Coach]

KU goes on a 8-1 run to make it 16-15 with 10:40

[Coach]

23-21 KU leading with 7:10 to go.

[Coach]

KU isn't playing like they are capable. Looks like they are flat.

25-25 with 4:24 to go.

[Skip Towne]

Jeezus, 25 points with only 4 minutes to go in the half? Terrible. Keep the reports coming.

[Skip Towne]

Is that Copperass guy killing us?

[Coach]

Is that Copperass guy killing us?

Nope. He suffered an ankle injury, but it's only minor. He wasn't much of a factor in this game as for lately.

Turnovers and sloppy play is basically killing both teams, thus the reason why low scoring 1st half.

[Coach]

31-28 KU leading by halftime.

KU could had a chance for 33-28, but turned it over with 4 seconds left before halftime.

[ArrowheadHawk]

what a sloppy game

[ArrowheadHawk]

i wanna see the high flying 'hawks i saw against esu

[tk13]

The Catamounts have come to play tonight!

[Skip Towne]

They better get dey shit together or they gonna crash with a loud THUD!!!

[ArrowheadHawk]

why in the **** did lee start over giddens?

[HolmeZz]

This isn't exactly the way you want to combat the overrated claims.

[ChiefsFire]

ROOOOOOCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK
CHHHHHALLLLLLLKKKKKKKKK

[ArrowheadHawk]

This isn't exactly the way you want to combat the overrated claims.:harumph:

[Coach]

why in the **** did lee start over giddens?

I'm not sure either, but was a bit suprised that Moody got the start. I would had thought Giddens would had that position.

But then, IIRC, it was Lee's spot before the injury last season that Giddens continously kept getting the start.

[HolmeZz]

:harumph:

So you're fine with how thing's have gone so far?

[Coach]

I'm not sure either, but was a bit suprised that Moody got the start. I would had thought Giddens would had that position.

But then, IIRC, it was Lee's spot before the injury last season that Giddens continously kept getting the start.

Giddens got the 2nd half start over Lee now.

[Coach]

36-30 with 17 mins to go in the 2nd half.

KU is turning over the ball way too much.

[Coach]

38-37 KU lead.

[Skip Towne]

What the hell's a Catamount?

[Coach]

12 Turnovers for KU, compared to 4 for Vermont

40-39 KU lead with 14 minutes to go.

[Ultra Peanut]

Holy Spicoli!

[HolmeZz]

It's a Cat, I think.

[Megbert]

What the hell's a Catamount?

I believe it's an extinct or near extinct cat like a mountain lion.

[Ultra Peanut]

What the hell's a Catamount?Cougar/Panther/Mountain Lion/Puma

They eat birds.

[Coach]

Cougar/Panther/Mountain Lion/Puma

They eat birds.

Well whatever it is, they are hanging in there aganist this KU team.

41-40 Vermont leads

Make it 43-41 KU lead now.

[Megbert]

online radio?

[Coach]

online radio?

There is one for Yahoo, but you have to be a specialized member (paying for it)

Not sure if there are any others.

[Coach]

46-46 w/ 10:38 to go.

[Megbert]

kjhk has it but you have to create a profile.

[Coach]

Vermont is bombing the hell out of KU with 3 pointers tonight with a 8-15

KU's only 5-16 or somewhere along the line.

52-50 Vermont leading with 8:00 to go.

[Coach]

56-54 Vermont leading with around 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half.

[KC Jones]

d'oh! I have a bad feeling about this going down the stretch.

Any which way you slice it, KUs spot at #1 is limited IMO. I don't see how they could be ranked at the top spot after this outing.

[Coach]

Taylor Coppenrath came to play in the 2nd half for Vermont, with his numbers now 20 points, 6 rebounds IIRC.

58-56 Vermont lead with 4 mins to go.

[Skip Towne]

Vermont is bombing the hell out of KU with 3 pointers tonight with a 8-15

KU's only 5-16 or somewhere along the line.

52-50 Vermont leading with 8:00 to go.
Uh-Oh.

[HolmeZz]

Kansas is going to drop out of the top spot. Especially because a ton of teams were receiving first place votes.

[Coach]

5-12 for Coppenrath. That's his free throw's tonight. He's good, but very awful shooting form at the FT line.

59 all with 2:49 to go.

[Skip Towne]

Kansas is going to drop out of the top spot. Especially because a ton of teams were receiving first place votes.
Realistically, they never belonged there in the first place. Was nice while it lasted.

[Coach]

61-59 KU lead.

The only good reason why KU is leading is their FT shooting as a team is 15 out of 19 (79%), compared to Vermont's 9-16 (56%).

[Coach]

63-59 KU lead with 1:24 to go. Timeout KU.

[Coach]

64-59 KU lead. Vermont calls a TO with one minute remaining.

[Skip Towne]

WOW!!

[Coach]

65-59 with 34 seconds to go, KU leading the game.

Simien attempts 2 FT's. 1-2.

66-61.

[Coach]

Simien fouled again. Will attempt 2 FT's.

2-2. Simien is 9 for 10 tonight in FT's.

68-61 KU lead with 20 seconds.

[Coach]

And KU escapes with a 68-61 win over Vermont.

[Mr. Laz]

that was unpleasant


at least they pulled it out

[DJay23]

Hard fought win.

I'm happy with the W, but annoyed by the apparent lack of something. I know KU didn't underestimate UVM, they knew they'd be tough, and hats off to them, they played tough till the end in a very hostile environment. I don't think it was a lack of planning. I didn't watch the game, only listened on the internet to Bob and Max. I can only think there was a lack of intensity from KU, or else, the intensity was there, they just played downright sloppy and not like they are capable of.

Simien was a he-man. cbssportsline.com has him with 25 and 11, but I thought I heard Bob say he had 13 boards. 90% from the line. Giddens and Langford with 12 each, Jackson with 8. Coppenrath scored 23 and 7, Sorrentine with 13, but horrible shooting percentage. Bottom line, KU made the plays when it counted. Good teams do that even when they play terrible for the first 35 minutes.

I think KU was lucky to get away with this one. We usually hold opponents to less than 40% shooting at home, we don't usually do the same. KU only shot 38%. You don't win many games with that kind of shooting percentage.

The sky is definitely not falling, intensity and shooting percentage (other than Wayne Simien) will improve. I'm not worried about how tough it was to win this one at home.

[Coach]

Hard fought win.

I'm happy with the W, but annoyed by the apparent lack of something. I know KU didn't underestimate UVM, they knew they'd be tough, and hats off to them, they played tough till the end in a very hostile environment. I don't think it was a lack of planning. I didn't watch the game, only listened on the internet to Bob and Max. I can only think there was a lack of intensity from KU, or else, the intensity was there, they just played downright sloppy and not like they are capable of.

Simien was a he-man. cbssportsline.com has him with 25 and 11, but I thought I heard Bob say he had 13 boards. 90% from the line. Giddens and Langford with 12 each, Jackson with 8. Coppenrath scored 23 and 7, Sorrentine with 13, but horrible shooting percentage. Bottom line, KU made the plays when it counted. Good teams do that even when they play terrible for the first 35 minutes.

I think KU was lucky to get away with this one. We usually hold opponents to less than 40% shooting at home, we don't usually do the same. KU only shot 38%. You don't win many games with that kind of shooting percentage.

The sky is definitely not falling, intensity and shooting percentage (other than Wayne Simien) will improve. I'm not worried about how tough it was to win this one at home.

That's pretty much what I saw by watching them, but what really was a concern was at one point after halftime, KU has something like 12 turnovers, compared to Vermont's 4, and Vermont got 10 points out of the 12 turnovers.

KU played tough, no doubt, I just think they are still trying to play together as a team, which shows the turnovers. What concerns me about KU is their rebounding. They seemed like they were out-rebounded.

[KingPriest2]

Still no cause for concern KU fans?

I have been reading some posts about Lack of intenslity.

HMM

[HolmeZz]

Would you still take Miles over Paul, DJay? :p

[ROYC75]

:shake: WOW, all I can say is, thank goodness is't early.

Vermont is a very good team, they played their hearts out .

KU was just sluggish, turnovers, no transition to speak of.

Again ..... :shake:

[KingPriest2]

They better get dey shit together or they gonna crash with a loud THUD!!!

Hmm

[DJay23]

That's pretty much what I saw by watching them, but what really was a concern was at one point after halftime, KU has something like 12 turnovers, compared to Vermont's 4, and Vermont got 10 points out of the 12 turnovers.

KU played tough, no doubt, I just think they are still trying to play together as a team, which shows the turnovers. What concerns me about KU is their rebounding. They seemed like they were out-rebounded.
KU ended up with 14 turnovers, Vermont with 8 (very uncharacteristic)

KU 38 total boards, UVM 29.

[Coach]

KU ended up with 14 turnovers, Vermont with 8 (very uncharacteristic)

KU 38 total boards, UVM 29.


Hmm... am a little suprised on the boards. Thought maybe Vermont had the advantage on that one. On TV, it almost appeard that there was at least 1 KU player near the ball, compared to 2 or 3 Vermont players.

[DJay23]

Hmm
It's the first game of the season. If we started worrying now, we'd be crazy douchebags. I think maybe you should worry more about losing to Davidson than whether we are worried or not.

[KingPriest2]

It's the first game of the season. If we started worrying now, we'd be crazy douchebags. I think maybe you should worry more about losing to Davidson than whether we are worried or not.


Hey MU has a young team so the expectations are not high. We lost 4 seniors. 3 starters

But KU is supposedly the top team. The expectations are high. 4 seniors returning. Hmm lack of intensity, turnovers and rebounding.

[DJay23]

Hmm... am a little suprised on the boards. Thought maybe Vermont had the advantage on that one. On TV, it almost appeard that there was at least 1 KU player near the ball, compared to 2 or 3 Vermont players.

KU will almost always outrebound small schools like Vermont. We're just more big and more deep. Turnovers on the other hand are a product of lack of focus.

Sounds perverse.

[Coach]

Of course, some teams has struggled aganist lesser conference competition.

Harvard 59
(20) Notre Dame 66

(12) Mississippi St 67
St. Mary's 54

Illinois won by 20, but struggled somewhat.

Holy shit! UNC is losing to Santa Clara 45 to 32! :eek:

[DJay23]

Hey MU has a young team so the expectations are not high. We lost 4 seniors. 3 starters

But KU is supposedly the top team. The expectations are high. 4 seniors returning. Hmm lack of intensity, turnovers and rebounding.
Like I said, I didn't watch the game, only listened so I can't vouch for the lack of intensity comment. Only what I assumed from the stats.

Give Vermont credit, they are a very good team. They'll be there in March.

[KcMizzou]

Still no cause for concern KU fans?

I have been reading some posts about Lack of intenslity.

HMM Dude... it's time to STFU now. I hate the gayhawks too, but seriously.

[KingPriest2]

Dude... it's time to STFU now. I hate the gayhawks too, but seriously.


No They have some issues and no one is seeing them well some do by what they are posting.

[the Talking Can]

No They have some issues and no one is seeing them well some do by reading the posts.

you really need to cram it, even for a MU fan you are off the charts ****ing stupid....you lost to Davidson, have the common sense to shut up...

[Coach]

Well, at least look on the bright side, Mizzou and Jayhawk fans.

North Carolina 36, Santa Clara 52

11:30 to go.

[KingPriest2]

you really need to cram it, even for a MU fan you are off the charts ****ing stupid....you lost to Davidson, have the common sense to shut up...



Really now? MU has a young team. The expectations are not high

But KU on the other hand does. Picked by some to win it all.

Off the charts? Please even some of your own fans are concerned. read the posts.

[DJay23]

Well, at least look on the bright side, Mizzou and Jayhawk fans.

North Carolina 36, Santa Clara 52

11:30 to go.

Carolina shooting 30%
Santa Clara:......60%

[|Zach|]

Really now? MU has a young team. The expectations are not high

But KU on the other hand does. Picked by some to win it all.

Off the charts? Please even some of your own fans are concerned. read the posts.
Seriously...this is getting stupid man.

[Coach]

Seriously...this is getting stupid man.

I agree. One game doesn't make or break a season.

[DJay23]

Really now? MU has a young team. The expectations are not high

But KU on the other hand does. Picked by some to win it all.

Off the charts? Please even some of your own fans are concerned. read the posts.
Too early to concerned. More like annoyed.

[the Talking Can]

Really now? MU has a young team. The expectations are not high

But KU on the other hand does. Picked by some to win it all.

Off the charts? Please even some of your own fans are concerned. read the posts.

concerned about winning?

last year MU had a vet team and they landed in the NIT....different excuse, same result

and just for the curious, Vevrmont, unlike MU was in the tournament last year....and Vermont, unlike MU, will be in the tournament this year


you need to worry about Baylor and Colorado.....

[KingPriest2]

concerned about winning?

last year MU had a vet team and they landed in the NIT....different excuse, same result

and just for the curious, Vevrmont, unlike MU was in the tournament last year....and Vermont, unlike MU, will be in the tournament this year


you need to worry about Baylor and Colorado.....


Yes they had a vet team last year and blew it at the end I admit to that.

But MU does have a chance to make it. They are a young team but they are talented. I would not be surprised to see Kleiza be a better player then Simeon at the end of the year.

[KingPriest2]

Too early to concerned. More like annoyed.

But if they don't pick it up it can snowball.

Look at the Royals, K-State, Tigers, and Chiefs They all have high expectations it just snowballed for them. Just be aware of that.

[Coach]

KU will almost always outrebound small schools like Vermont. We're just more big and more deep. Turnovers on the other hand are a product of lack of focus.

Sounds perverse.

Yeah, but I made a comment on one of the previous post that one reason IMHO that KU won this game was their FT shooting.

20-27, that's a 74% from the line, compared to Vermont's 9-16 a pitiful 58%. Shoot, even their best player, Coppenrath shot a abmysal 5-12 from the FT line.

[the Talking Can]

Yes they had a vet team last year and blew it at the end I admit to that.

But MU does have a chance to make it. They are a young team but they are talented. I would not be surprised to see Kleiza be a better player then Simeon at the end of the year.

I thought there was some natural limit to the flaming stupidity of MU fans.

[Coach]

But if they don't pick it up it can snowball.

Look at the Royals, K-State, Tigers, and Chiefs They all have high expectations it just snowballed for them. Just be aware of that.

Interesting, is the State of Kansas and Missouri cursed this year in sports or something? Especially with the way that KU, KSU, MU's football teams have been playing this year, throw in the fact that high expectations for the Royals and the Chiefs. Also some Card fans would probably agree about that embarrasing WS tenture.

I wondered about it at times.

[DJay23]

I would not be surprised to see Kleiza be a better player then Simeon at the end of the year.
One thing is clear....you're high.

[KingPriest2]

I thought there was some natural limit to the flaming stupidity of MU fans.

Still pissed about being called out and not showing up huh?

[KingPriest2]

One thing is clear....you're high.


He has a chance.

[DJay23]

Yeah, but I made a comment on one of the previous post that one reason IMHO that KU won this game was their FT shooting.

20-27, that's a 74% from the line, compared to Vermont's 9-16 a pitiful 58%. Shoot, even their best player, Coppenrath shot a abmysal 5-12 from the FT line.
Which is a good point. Good teams will find a way to win, when something isn't working.

[DJay23]

He has a chance.
And there's a chance that I could bang the living hell out of Cameron Diaz tonight, but something tells me she's nowhere near Central PA right now.

[Coach]

UNC update.

North Carolina 47, Santa Clara 66 4:00 to go in 2nd half.

Roy's UNC boys aren't playing very well.

[the Talking Can]

UNC update.

North Carolina 47, Santa Clara 66 4:00 to go in 2nd half.

Roy's UNC boys aren't playing very well.

could this night be any better?

[DJay23]

could this night be any better?
Only if I end up banging the hell out of Cameron Diaz.

[Coach]

(4) North Carolina 59 Santa Clara 72 2nd 2:00 to go.

[|Zach|]

hmm

[Coach]

(4) North Carolina 66 Santa Clara 77


Final.

[Mosbonian]

I thought there was some natural limit to the flaming stupidity of MU fans.

No more than the flaming arrogance and stupidity of certain KU fans.....

[the Talking Can]

No more than the flaming arrogance and stupidity of certain KU fans.....

kingpriest is a MU fan...you can tell by the drool when he types

[Mosbonian]

kingpriest is a MU fan...you can tell by the drool when he types

Any MU fans that expects more than this year to be a rebuilding year is kidding themselves......

Any KU fan that believes that they are destined to be a Final Four team are kidding themselves too...

mmaddog
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[KingPriest2]

kingpriest is a MU fan...you can tell by the drool when he types

ROFL Man you are so funny. You should be on stage.

[SoCalBronco]

KU barely escaped. Time for your excuses saul.

[KcMizzou]

KU barely escaped. Time for your excuses saul. No, no... he's only a KSU fan now.

He got tired of being abused for picking and chosing his schools according to who was better at which sport.

But at heart, he's still gutless.

[|Zach|]

Saul was at the KState game...

That is not a joke at his direction. That is actully where he was.

[Bearcat]

Any KU fan that believes that they are destined to be a Final Four team are kidding themselves too...

Of course no team is destined for anything (see: 2003 Kansas City Chiefs)... but to say they have any less of a chance than any other team at this point because they didn't blow out Vermont is stupid, too.

They're in a lose/lose situation.... nobody's heard of Vermont, so they automatically suck, so if you don't blow them out, there's something wrong :rolleyes:

And the same will be said if they don't blow out other good teams like Pacific, Nevada, etc....


(4) North Carolina 59 Santa Clara 72 2nd 2:00 to go.

:eek:

[HolmeZz]

I've heard of Vermont. My Huskies beat them in the first round of the NCAA tourney last year. They're a good team, but they shouldn't be giving the "#1 team" in the country a tough time on their own court like that.

[Bearcat]

But KU is supposedly the top team. The expectations are high. 4 seniors returning. Hmm lack of intensity, turnovers and rebounding.


Uh... did you watch them last year? Losing to Richmond, Iowa State, Nebraska?? Did that matter when they reached the tournament?

I was over-critical of everything they did last season, until they came really close to going to the Final Four, which no one expected them to do.

Why the hell would I be concerned now? I guarantee a loss in November has never spoiled anyone's Championship dreams..... much less a win.

[HC_Chief]

ROFLMAO @ KP2 <i>still</i> ragging on KU's 'intensity'. Sure, Washburn and Vermont are no Belmont or Davidson, but they're not dog meat either.

hahahahaha

So when are they renaming 'Paige me when my hoework is done' Sports Arena? :-D

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I've heard of Vermont. My Huskies beat them in the first round of the NCAA tourney last year. They're a good team, but they shouldn't be giving the "#1 team" in the country a tough time on their own court like that.
Yea... sure...because no small unranked school has ever gotten up for a big time game on a big time stage and over-achieved against a great team. It only happens ever year and it'll happen more this year.

You KU haters are truly hilarious.

[the Talking Can]

I'm still trying to figure it out: MU loses at home to some team named Davidson (??)...KU wins against a team that was and is better than MU....and MU fans are talking shit?

could someone go down to the local jail and ask kingpriest what he means?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I'm still trying to figure it out: MU loses at home to some team named Davidson (??)...KU wins against a team that was and is better than MU....and MU fans are talking shit?

could someone go down to the local jail and ask kingpriest what he means?
They're a jealous and bitter bunch. I suppose you can't really blame them. Their team under-acheives year after year and has become a laughing-stock.... while KU continues to be a premiere program through coaching changes, player transfers and all... and actually has gotten better recruiting classes since Roy left.

They can see the future...and it kills them. Let them have their petty jealousy. Which team do you want to bet goes farther this year.......????

[HolmeZz]

Yea... sure...because no small unranked school has ever gotten up for a big time game on a big time stage and over-achieved against a great team.

They have. It just always seems to be against Kansas. ;)

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

They have. It just always seems to be against Kansas. ;)
It happens against a lot of teams. You just notice the KU games because your hatred for the Jayhawks keeps you warm at night.

:)

KU isn't perfect for sure. But it's early in the season and every team will get better as the year goes. I like our chances for another successful season...possible big 12 title...deep into the NCAA tourney...though..and I'll be a fan win or lose anyway.

[HolmeZz]

Nah, I don't hate Kansas at all. I'd really have no reason to. The only team I truly hate is Duke, and everybody hates them.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Nah, I don't hate Kansas at all. I'd really have no reason to. The only team I truly hate is Duke, and everybody hates them.
Well then we have more than just being Chiefs fans in common!

F**K DUKE!!!!

:thumb:

[KingPriest2]

I'm still trying to figure it out: MU loses at home to some team named Davidson (??)...KU wins against a team that was and is better than MU....and MU fans are talking shit?

could someone go down to the local jail and ask kingpriest what he means?


ROFL You are still funny keep it up.

[DJay23]

Nah, I don't hate Kansas at all. I'd really have no reason to. The only team I truly hate is Duke, and everybody hates them.
I don't hate Duke. Coach K is one of the greatest of all time and they beat up on the Tarholes. What's not to like?

[HolmeZz]

What's not to like?

Coach K/His voice
Their players
Cameron Indoor Stadium/Fans/Students
NCAA Violations they get away with
Laettner hitting a buzzer beater to knock out UConn in the Great Eight
Fact that they're media darlings

[Lzen]

I would not be surprised to see Kleiza be a better player then Simeon at the end of the year.

Okay, you truly have proven that you are a friggin' idiot.
:shake: And you can't spell, either. It's Simien.

[teedubya]

To the MU haters... Im sorry that your team lost, and that you truly have zero realistic hopes at going to a Final Four, while us KU fans have a realistic hope that KU may win it all. It doesnt matter if they do or not, because we have that hope... you dont.

[|Zach|]

To the MU haters... Im sorry that your team lost, and that you truly have zero realistic hopes at going to a Final Four, while us KU fans have a realistic hope that KU may win it all. It doesnt matter if they do or not, because we have that hope... you dont.
Don't you mean KU haters?

[Coach]

Don't you mean KU haters?

ROFL

That's what I thought. A MU hater is a KU fan. A KU hater is a MU fan.

[Lzen]

Any KU fan that believes that they are destined to be a Final Four team are kidding themselves too...

mmaddog
*******

Is there any reasoning in your assessment or are you just another person that bases a whole baketball season off one game? That's real intelligent, btw.

FYI, KU lost to Ball State in their first game a couple years ago. Yet they still got to the Final Four. Just because you hope they fail doesn't mean it will happen. :rolleyes:

[Mosbonian]

I'm still trying to figure it out: MU loses at home to some team named Davidson (??)...KU wins against a team that was and is better than MU....and MU fans are talking shit?

could someone go down to the local jail and ask kingpriest what he means?

You know.....you should really put that KU education to work and try and count.....you say "MU fans"...yet there is only one person you joust with or who is even "talking shit" as you so poorly label it.

Mostly, you are all talk right now....neither team has played anyone worth a damn right now, so for all your chest beating, you look pretty ridiculous. The fact is that Vermont is a teddy bear team, and if you were REALLY honest you would admit that KU played like shit at home against a kewpie doll team.

So go ahead and give KP2 all the shit you want but quit trying to paint all MU fans with a broad stroke...it only makes you look more ridiculous that you are just by nature.

mmaddog
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[Skip Towne]

I don't hate Duke. Coach K is one of the greatest of all time and they beat up on the Tarholes. What's not to like?
I'm a big Puke fan two days per year. The rest of the time I hate em.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

What's not to like?
:hmmm: ............................let me see.......................EVERYTHING!








...Dave Matthews blows btw.





:p

[Mosbonian]

Is there any reasoning in your assessment or are you just another person that bases a whole baketball season off one game? That's real intelligent, btw.

FYI, KU lost to Ball State in their first game a couple years ago. Yet they still got to the Final Four. Just because you hope they fail doesn't mean it will happen. :rolleyes:

C'mon Lzen....you know better than that......please show me where the f*ck I said that KU wasn't going to the Final 4 just because of the game against Vermont.... YOU G-DAMN CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before you go off making an ASSumption like that how about just asking me? Hell I'll be glad to tell you why I think there are at least 4 or 5 other teams that, IMO (remember I didn't say it was the gospel) will probably make the F4.

Before you go making a judgement call on me, have the good taste to at least engage me in a discussion about the topic. I won't make the assumption you are an arrogant KU fan who can't see their shortcomings if you won't label me as a "MUron"....

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

To the MU haters... Im sorry that your team lost, and that you truly have zero realistic hopes at going to a Final Four, while us KU fans have a realistic hope that KU may win it all. It doesnt matter if they do or not, because we have that hope... you dont.

I'm not jealous....I'm realistic. I know that MU has virtually no chance to go anywhere in the tourney this year....in fact deep down inside I am kinda hoping for a rebuild year that costs Quinn his job....I think Melvin Watkins could do more with this team than Quinn will ever be able to....

as for my assessment of KU....what in the Sam Hell is wrong with thinking that KU might not make it to the F4? What, I'm suddenly derelict because I don't see KU the way that all you Red & Blue "Hawkers do?

What is interesting is that there are KU fans on here that love to chide some Chief's fans as being "homers", yet when it comes to KU BB no one is more of a homer than some of these same 'Hawks fans...

mmaddog
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[the Talking Can]

You know.....you should really put that KU education to work and try and count.....you say "MU fans"...yet there is only one person you joust with or who is even "talking shit" as you so poorly label it.

Mostly, you are all talk right now....neither team has played anyone worth a damn right now, so for all your chest beating, you look pretty ridiculous. The fact is that Vermont is a teddy bear team, and if you were REALLY honest you would admit that KU played like shit at home against a kewpie doll team.

So go ahead and give KP2 all the shit you want but quit trying to paint all MU fans with a broad stroke...it only makes you look more ridiculous that you are just by nature.

mmaddog
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apparently I am talking about you since you replied.....and I will give that ignorant slut kingpriest a ration because he's a whopping dumbass

here's some advice....since you're a MU fan, you're probably too stupid to take it, but hey....don't talk shit when your team loses to something called "Davidson"..got it?

and just for you- Vermont was in the tourny last year, MU was not....Vermont will be in the tourny this year, MU will not

the point of playing is to win....I can't blame a MU fan for not understanding that....how is coach Pinkeye doing today?

[DJay23]

You know.....you should really put that KU education to work and try and count.....you say "MU fans"...yet there is only one person you joust with or who is even "talking shit" as you so poorly label it.

Mostly, you are all talk right now....neither team has played anyone worth a damn right now, so for all your chest beating, you look pretty ridiculous. The fact is that Vermont is a teddy bear team, and if you were REALLY honest you would admit that KU played like shit at home against a kewpie doll team.

So go ahead and give KP2 all the shit you want but quit trying to paint all MU fans with a broad stroke...it only makes you look more ridiculous that you are just by nature.

mmaddog
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KU Played like shit last night, but Vermont is not a bad team by any stretch. They've got an all american candidate in Coppenrath, and they start 4 seniors who have won two straight conference titles and been to 2 straight NCAA tourneys. Coppenrath and Sorrentine, I believe are the highest scoring returning duo in the country.

I'd say we got lucky and edged out a solid team at home because we had the bigger plays at the end and they didn't.

Didn't Davidson beat UNC a couple years ago? I seem to remember them giving Duke some headaches in Cameron indoor a couple years back.

[DJay23]

:hmmm: ............................let me see.......................EVERYTHING!








...Dave Matthews blows btw.





:p
I've honestly never understood the intense hatred everyone has for Duke. Maybe I do, if it's like how i hate the yankees. It's hard for someone who loves the college hoops game to deny the fact that every program in the nation wishes it was Duke for the last 20 years.

As for the DMB, most people either love them or hate them. I personally love their music. What anyone else thinks of them means about as much as a bucket of piss to me.

[Mosbonian]

apparently I am talking about you since you replied.....and I will give that ignorant slut kingpriest a ration because he's a whopping dumbass

here's some advice....since you're a MU fan, you're probably too stupid to take it, but hey....don't talk shit when your team loses to something called "Davidson"..got it?

Actually the only real dumbass here is you....you have trouble with anyone who doesn't put KU on a pedestal. And not just this year....hell it's been that way since you've been on here.

And where did I talk "shit" about KU? You see, comprehension is an issue for you. You know as much about BB as you do politics....

I know a lot of KU fans...most are pretty intelligent when it comes to discussing basketball....you are NOT one of them. You have got to be one of the most ignorant, backwater, cowpile-sniffing Gayhawk fan there ever was.

and just for you- Vermont was in the tourny last year, MU was not....Vermont will be in the tourny this year, MU will not

the point of playing is to win....I can't blame a MU fan for not understanding that....how is coach Pinkeye doing today?

See....the above statements show how absolutely clueless about understanding what is a good BB team vs. what is a team in a bad conference....Vermont made it to the F4 while being in one of the lowest rated conferences in the nation. MU didn't make it because they flat out stunk when it came time to step up to the plate.....

I've been realistic about MU along....you on the other hand wouldn't know what realistic was if it bit you on the ass.

As for Pinkel....it appears that your lack of reading skills once again show...if you could truly read other threads you would see I hope they fire Pinkel. So trying to use today's loss to "poke the Tiger thru the cage" was so lame that you make GoChiefs look like not only a genious, but a ladies man too.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

KU Played like shit last night, but Vermont is not a bad team by any stretch. They've got an all american candidate in Coppenrath, and they start 4 seniors who have won two straight conference titles and been to 2 straight NCAA tourneys. Coppenrath and Sorrentine, I believe are the highest scoring returning duo in the country.

I'd say we got lucky and edged out a solid team at home because we had the bigger plays at the end and they didn't.

Didn't Davidson beat UNC a couple years ago? I seem to remember them giving Duke some headaches in Cameron indoor a couple years back.

I'm not going to make excuses for MU...they let a decent team beat them at home.

I will admit to knowing more about Davidson than most people here, mostly due to the fact that I lived about 15 minutes from their campus till I moved here 18 months ago. The BB team has had some success, but is still a small Div 1 school that should never beat a large Div 1 Team at their school.

As for KU....and I will repeat this cause The 'Can has some comprehension issues.......I haven't been talking "shit" about KU. I say that I believe that KU isn't headed to the F4 this year. But, I'm not the only one....if you do, great and congrats to you. If not, I'm betting that you win the dogfight with either OU or OSU for the Big 12 Champion.

Why does it matter?

One thing I will say.....there are several KU fans here who love to talk $hit to MU fans when they lose and expect us to smile and accept it. But when KU plays bad and someone from MU returns the favor, they all get their panties in a wad and act like little schoolgirls. If you are gonna run smaque, expect it back and act like a man about it.

mmaddog
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[Skip Towne]

Are you guys through this early? I guess I'll just go on to bed then.

[Lzen]

mmaddog,

Ok, fine. Tell me why you think that "any KU fan that believes that they are destined to be a Final Four team are kidding themselves".

FTR, no team is destined for anything. That much we can agree upon. But KU has been picked by a lot of so called experts to be in the FF and even win it all. But as we have learned through hisory, preseason picks don't always turn out the way we thought they would. So instead, let's take a look at KU's recent history as well as what they bring to the table this year, shall we.

-KU made the Final Four 3 years ago.
-Played in the Championship game 2 years ago.
-1 game shy(which went into overtime, btw) of playing in a 3rd straight FF last year. That despite having to learn a whole new system and deal with the loss of 2 great leaders, Hinrich and Collison.
-KU has an All American candidate in Simien.
-Senior leadership(not to mention Final Four experience) in Langford, Miles, Simien, and Lee.
-KU has one of the most talented groups of freshmen in the country.

All I'm saying is that your opinion is just that, an opinion. But despite what you may think, most people don't share that view.

[teedubya]

yeah, LZen... at least KU has hopes... MU has nothing.

AND I LOVE IT!!!

[DJay23]

yeah, LZen... at least KU has hopes... MU has nothing.

AND I LOVE IT!!!
Can we officially call Mizzou the most overrated athletic department in the country?

A couple years in a row they start as preseason number 2 in hoops. This year start out in the top 25 in football. When will the pundits learn, once a loser, always a loser.

[Mosbonian]

mmaddog,

Ok, fine. Tell me why you think that "any KU fan that believes that they are destined to be a Final Four team are kidding themselves".

FTR, no team is destined for anything. That much we can agree upon. But KU has been picked by a lot of so called experts to be in the FF and even win it all. But as we have learned through hisory, preseason picks don't always turn out the way we thought they would. So instead, let's take a look at KU's recent history as well as what they bring to the table this year, shall we.

-KU made the Final Four 3 years ago.
-Played in the Championship game 2 years ago.
-1 game shy(which went into overtime, btw) of playing in a 3rd straight FF last year. That despite having to learn a whole new system and deal with the loss of 2 great leaders, Hinrich and Collison.
-KU has an All American candidate in Simien.
-Senior leadership(not to mention Final Four experience) in Langford, Miles, Simien, and Lee.
-KU has one of the most talented groups of freshmen in the country.

All I'm saying is that your opinion is just that, an opinion. But despite what you may think, most people don't share that view.

Lzen:

The first 3 have no bearing on their performance this year.....so let's throw those 3 out......

Simien may be an All American, but that guarantees nothing. Mizzou had an All Americn Candidate in Paulding but that didn't mean shit last year. Hell there have been many teams that have had All American's on their teams and barely sniffed the Tournament or the Sweet Sixteen, much less the Final Four.

I will give you Senior leadership...that is probably one of the strong points that KU has going for them. But that also doesn't guarantee a Final Four appearance.....

But having a good group of Freshman is not necessarily a positive. Tournament experience will be beneficial for the team next year, but what does it bring to the table this year.

I never said that anything is gospel......you guys have no problem prognosticating a horrible season for Mizzou and pretending that it is already the absolute truth. But heaven help someone who doesn't agree with a homer view of the 'Hawks season.....

All we have to do is look at the Chief's to see that great aspirations don't mean actuality.

All it would take is an injury to Simien and the look of this season takes a different shape for KU....what if your Seniors have the same kind of up and down season that happened with Paulding and Johnson? Y'all act like everything is a lock to this point....I've yet to see one of you actually be honest about the team.....

For all the catcalls about how bad Mizzou is, we go into this season with the knowledge that we are rebuilding....anything that we achieve will help to build for next year hopefully, although I think Kleiza might not hang around.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

yeah, LZen... at least KU has hopes... MU has nothing.

AND I LOVE IT!!!

And you also have the pressure of having to live up to the hype....

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

Can we officially call Mizzou the most overrated athletic department in the country?

A couple years in a row they start as preseason number 2 in hoops. This year start out in the top 25 in football. When will the pundits learn, once a loser, always a loser.

If I could find even a remote reason to argue with this, I would...but I cannot.

mmaddog
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