Was Greg Robinson better than Gunther Cunnigham is?

[Logical]

GR team gave up an average of 20.75 ppg
GC team has given up an average of 26.4 ppg

Advatage Greg

GR team produced an average of 1.6875 turnovers per game
GC team has produced an average of 1.1111 turnovers per game

Advantage Greg

GR team allowed an average of 356.7 ypg
GC team is allowing an average of 352.3 ypg

Advantage Cunningham

By this analysis I would say Robinson's defenses actually did better.

So maybe it was not the coordinator at all.

[suds79]

No I don't think so.

Look Greg plays a soft bend but don't break kind of D. Perhaps with this group of players, it's the only way to go so they don't look as bad.

Gunther plays a more in your face type of D that attacks but which means you're going to surrender big plays.

Both guys had/have players who suck.

I'll go with the more agressive type of DC.

[Logical]

LOL I envision a whole bunch of fans with their fingers in their ears and blinders on, saying I don't want to think about this, I refuse to think about this.

[el borracho]

At one point this season our D was ranked 9th. Were Gerg's defenses ever ranked that high in his three years here? Another thing to look at would be the number of three-and-outs forced by the defense. Without looking it up I would say that Cunningham's defense gets far more which, theoretically, gives our O more chances to produce.

[Brock]

Too early to make an assessment. Greg got 3 years to make a train wreck out of the Chiefs defense, if in fact that is what happened. I'd give Gunther a couple of years to turn it around.

[BIG_DADDY]

I'll take Gun anytime. Our O hasn't played nearly as well this season putting much more pressure on the D. Comparing directly without considering how the O has played isn't fair at all.

[el borracho]

I'll take Gun anytime. Our O hasn't played nearly as well this season putting much more pressure on the D. Comparing directly without considering how the O has played isn't fair at all.
Not to mention a tougher schedule and a disappearing act by our special teams.

[KC Jones]

At one point this season our D was ranked 9th. Were Gerg's defenses ever ranked that high in his three years here? Another thing to look at would be the number of three-and-outs forced by the defense. Without looking it up I would say that Cunningham's defense gets far more which, theoretically, gives our O more chances to produce.

I suspect at the very beginning of last year the Chiefs defense was ranked quite high. San Diego and Pittsburgh looked like fantastic defensive outings.

[Rain Man]

Let's just stop this kind of thing right now.

[HC_Chief]

I'd say no... the D is not much better, but the scheme certainly is. I have never been a fan of the 'bend but dont break' philosophy; I much prefer Gunther's attacking style.

The people we have just can't execute the plays that are called.

[Warrior5]

No.

[teedubya]

gun inherited a bunch of underachieving players who were all vastly overpaid in the offseason. There is little motivation with these guys. Lazy and apathetic players with "good" character.

[morphius]

Umm, GR had three years and got worse every year, this is gunthers first year and has had more injuries then GR ever has...

Advantage Gunther

[morphius]

I will throw out my pet peave one as well, 3rd down GR gave it up 36.6%, Gun is sitting at 31.6%...

Morphius
fingers not in ears

[ChiefsOne]

Gun all the way. Like the agressive style much better!

[ROYC75]

Damn, I have no fingers to put in my ears, done ate them watching this team.




BTW, I'll go with Gun, too early to judge him against GROB.

[morphius]

Time of possesion also is 4:15 seconds in GC favor as well as 6% better on 4th down.

Stat's are a wonderful thing.

Oh and Vlad, did you subtract ST and INT's returned for TD's in those stats?

[TEX]

GR team gave up an average of 20.75 ppg
GC team has given up an average of 26.4 ppg

Advatage Greg

GR team produced an average of 1.6875 turnovers per game
GC team has produced an average of 1.1111 turnovers per game

Advantage Greg

GR team allowed an average of 356.7 ypg
GC team is allowing an average of 352.3 ypg

Advantage Cunningham

By this analysis I would say Robinson's defenses actually did better.

So maybe it was not the coordinator at all.


Let's see what the _efense looks like by year's end and after year 3 before we make any conclusions.

[morphius]

Jst for giggles...

GR without ST/Ints 19.75 a game
GC without ST/Ints 24.2 a game

Still in GR favor, but lowers it just a bit less.

[Baby Lee]

I'll take Gun anytime. Our O hasn't played nearly as well this season putting much more pressure on the D. Comparing directly without considering how the O has played isn't fair at all.
Not to mention a tougher schedule and a disappearing act by our special teams.
Very efficient. Two posts to shoot Vlad's sniping down. :thumb:

[ArrowheadHawk]

the hell with gr Gunther is the man

[JakeT]

You forgot the stat about colts punts
GR 0
GC 4

[Inspector]

(...fingers in ears...)

I don't want to think about this, I refuse to think about this.

[Demonpenz]

I saw an interesting stat the other day, last year we were 9-0 and this year we are 3-6.

[Logical]

Time of possesion also is 4:15 seconds in GC favor as well as 6% better on 4th down.

Stat's are a wonderful thing.

Oh and Vlad, did you subtract ST and INT's returned for TD's in those stats?

I do not recall any Special Teams turnovers this year so that would actually favor GR.

Special Team returns for TDs and INT's returned for TD's were two last year and there has been 3 this year.

That would lower this year by 2 ppg and lower last year by 0.1 ppg so scoring against our defense 4.3 points per game this year over last even taking that into consideration.

[Logical]

Jst for giggles...

GR without ST/Ints 19.75 a game
GC without ST/Ints 24.2 a game

Still in GR favor, but lowers it just a bit less.


I see you had already done the work.

[Logical]

Let's see what the _efense looks like by year's end and after year 3 before we make any conclusions.
I disagree this about the most valid comparison between two coordinators you will ever get to have. Yes at the end of the season it will be even more valid. But they are working with an almost identical set of players last year and this year. GR has the disadvantage of not having Dalton, and Gun has the disadvantage of not have Maz. Other than that I doubt if you will ever get two defensive squads with more identical players and starters.

[big nasty kcnut]

Hell no listen it take awhile for someone to break the habit of playing in a crappy greg robinson defense. When we get some players and another year under our belt we'll be fine.

[Logical]

By the way this thread is more about the shitty talent we have on this team and that Gun could never have fixed it and the stats are proving that out.

[MichaelH]

I'll take Gun anytime. Our O hasn't played nearly as well this season putting much more pressure on the D.

Not if you listen to tricky Dickie. According to him, we're 3rd in offense and can score tons of points. I'm sorry, but DV just doesn't get it.

[tk13]

I choose Gunther because I know he wouldn't do something like put in a guy with one solitary skill of being a pass rushing specialist (Truluck) right off the bat during the first series and DROP HIM INTO COVERAGE so Marvin Harrison or whoever can run right into his zone for an easy catch on the first drive of a playoff game.

[Calcountry]

GR team gave up an average of 20.75 ppg
GC team has given up an average of 26.4 ppg

Advatage Greg

GR team produced an average of 1.6875 turnovers per game
GC team has produced an average of 1.1111 turnovers per game

Advantage Greg

GR team allowed an average of 356.7 ypg
GC team is allowing an average of 352.3 ypg

Advantage Cunningham

By this analysis I would say Robinson's defenses actually did better.

So maybe it was not the coordinator at all.
Was our offense better last year than this year? Our best Defense IS our offense. Dis Advantage Al.

[MichaelH]

God Dammit! Nixon died YEARS AGO! Let the poor bastard rest!

Yes, but several likenesses are becoming more evident every week. :)

[Rausch]

I choose Gunther because I know he wouldn't do something like put in a guy with one solitary skill of being a pass rushing specialist (Truluck) right off the bat during the first series and DROP HIM INTO COVERAGE so Marvin Harrison or whoever can run right into his zone for an easy catch on the first drive of a playoff game.

And not only did Gunther make them punt, but we won...

[Coach]

F#ck no. Gimmie a Gunther attacking style, CB's straight up at the WR's than a G-Rob's cconfusing style, CB's 10 to 15 f#cking yards off from the WR's.

[tk13]

And not only did Gunther make them punt, but we won...
Yeah, that crap drove me nuts. Not that our players are all-world, but I think Gunther puts them in a better position to do what they are supposed to do. I actually don't mind "zone blitzing" or whatever you want to call it I guess, but it seemed like it just never worked for G-Rob. Truluck had guys catching balls around him a couple times in the playoff game, I remember the Vikings game Vonnie Holliday got burned by Jim Kleinsasser, etc. Peyton Manning alluded it to in the week leading up to the rematch game a couple weeks back, this defense just looks more like a real defense, although the last couple weeks the results haven't been there...

[jAZ]

Compare the last 7 games under Robinson to the first 9 under Gunther.

[jAZ]

I love Gunther.

Thank you Gunther.

You kick ass Gunther.

Nicely done Gunther.