Poll: Professional Wrestling

[Deberg_1990]

Real or fake? Ok sure, we all know its "scripted" and has carefully thought out soap opera storylines, but personally, those guys are pretty damn athletic to be able to do most of that stuff. I had to say semi-real.

[big nasty kcnut]

Of corse most of the aspect is real look at the injuries that can happen in there angle with his broken neck triple h with thigh muscle injury or droz crippled from the neck down.

[Deberg_1990]

The physical aspect is very much real. Being bodyslammed hurts. I'm not sure how you fake that act unless you think it's all computer generated and the live audience is under a mass hypnotic suggestion or something.

This is what i was trying to say. The physical stuff of all they do really does hurt. Plus, you cant be some doofus out there who doesnt knwo what he is doing or you will end up getting you and your partner hurt.

[Mr. Laz]

athleticism = real

some of the pain = real

the rest = fake

[Brock]

Should be a "Gay" option.

[TheNextStep]

Being bodyslammed onto the ground hurts. Being bodyslammed onto a trampoline really doesn't.

I had a friend who helped set up a wrestling event once and he said that it is basically a trampoline (though not as bouncy as your run-o-tha-mill trampolines) and that they place wooden slats at certain points to that it makes a louder noise when somebody gets bounced off of it.

Wrestling is as fake as the name "Rufus Dawes," you ignorant, loudmouthed, schmucks.

[Deberg_1990]

athleticism = real

some of the pain = real

the rest = fake


You forgot one thing:

Muscles = fake (roided/juiced up)

[Mr. Laz]

You forgot one thing:

Muscles = fake (roided/juiced up)

you mean like baseball?

[Saulbadguy]

I used to watch WCW and the WWF, before it turned in to "shock" entertainment. Sometime in the late 90's, I suppose.

I liked Bret the Hitman Hart.

[Deberg_1990]

I used to watch WCW and the WWF, before it turned in to "shock" entertainment. Sometime in the late 90's, I suppose.

I liked Bret the Hitman Hart.

They turned to the "shock" stuff after ECW got big.

[Saulbadguy]

They turned to the "shock" stuff after ECW got big.
Nope. They changed to shock when Vince McMahon lost in the ratings for something like 120 weeks in a row, and wanted to take over. Vince McMahon is a dirty son of a bitch.

[Deberg_1990]

Nope. They changed to shock when Vince McMahon lost in the ratings for something like 120 weeks in a row, and wanted to take over. Vince McMahon is a dirty son of a bitch.

True. WCW got huge there in the mid 1990's with Monday Nitro. Which basically kickstarted the whole deal.

[Saulbadguy]

By "shock", I meant the incorporation of:

A) Skimpily clothed women. Normally I don't mind this, but most of the women aren't that attractive, and they put them in sexual situations, which I don't care to see when watching wrestling.

B)Alcohol-related situations. Remember the thing with Scott Hall, and Road Warrior Hawk? Totally stupid.

C) Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is the character that single handedly ruined wrestling. There was no good guy vs bad guy, it was bad guy vs badder guy.

When Vince got involved in the show, it turned in to a wrestlers vs the administration show, and its been that way ever since. Fvcking stupid.

[Saulbadguy]

At least professional wrestling is admittedly fixed.

You wanna have a discussion, let's talk about how crooked the world of boxing is or isn't.
Yeah, its fixed. It used to be somewhat intriguing though, when I was younger at least.

[Deberg_1990]

At least professional wrestling is admittedly fixed.

You wanna have a discussion, let's talk about how crooked the world of boxing is or isn't.

Good point. If boxing came out and just admitted to the fans that it was all fixed, they might get more respect from the fans like wrestling did.

[Saulbadguy]

True. WCW got huge there in the mid 1990's with Monday Nitro. Which basically kickstarted the whole deal.
Nitro was great when Hogan, Hall, and Nash started the NWO. Now that was a story line...but they drew it out too long.

[Skip Towne]

Should be a "Gay" option.
I'll bet Psicosis is a closet fan.

[Saulbadguy]

Oh...another thing. Why does Vince McMahon say that wrestling is adult entertainment, and not marketed towards children?

[Deberg_1990]

By "shock", I meant the incorporation of:

A) Skimpily clothed women. Normally I don't mind this, but most of the women aren't that attractive, and they put them in sexual situations, which I don't care to see when watching wrestling.

B)Alcohol-related situations. Remember the thing with Scott Hall, and Road Warrior Hawk? Totally stupid.

C) Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is the character that single handedly ruined wrestling. There was no good guy vs bad guy, it was bad guy vs badder guy.

When Vince got involved in the show, it turned in to a wrestlers vs the administration show, and its been that way ever since. Fvcking stupid.

The one thing i dont like is there is about 30 minutes of wrestling in a 2 hour show and 1 1/2 hours of acting and soap opera stuff.

[Saulbadguy]

I'll bet Psicosis is a closet fan.
Yep. He is named after a luchadore.

[Saulbadguy]

Actually, no. What happened?

They both pretended to be drunk all the time on camera. It was lame.

[Saulbadguy]

The one thing i dont like is there is about 30 minutes of wrestling in a 2 hour show and 1 1/2 hours of acting and soap opera stuff.
Yup...it used to be the exact opposite. 30 minutes of talking, which only consisted of "I'm gonna kill this other guy!".

[KCTitus]

When Vince got involved in the show, it turned in to a wrestlers vs the administration show, and its been that way ever since. Fvcking stupid.

True, but it plays well...I mean it's the 'workers' vs. the bosses.

[Deberg_1990]

Yup...it used to be the exact opposite. 30 minutes of talking, which only consisted of "I'm gonna kill this other guy!".

Yea i know! a few months ago i watched on old vhs tape of WWF back from like the late 1980's. What surprised me was just how bad the acting was and how much actual wrestling it contained compared to now days. If you think the acting is bad now, you should check out some of that stuff!

[Logical]

Where is the

Entertainment for the Young or Retarded

option?

[Saulbadguy]

Yea i know! a few months ago i watched on old vhs tape of WWF back from like the late 1980's. What surprised me was just how bad the acting was and how much actual wrestling it contained compared to now days. If you think the acting is bad now, you should check out some of that stuff!
Yep..but back then you didn't care about the acting. The wrestling isn't even as good anymore. Its:

Punch
Kick
Kick
Punch
Armbar
Punch
Throw in the ropes
Clothesline
Special move
pin


No more suplexes, submission holds, etc etc...

[Deberg_1990]

Oh...another thing. Why does Vince McMahon say that wrestling is adult entertainment, and not marketed towards children?

It needs to have some sort of a disclaimer. I would never let my kids watch that stuff. Its pretty sad when you watch it on TV and see some 9 year old flipping some wrestler the bird. Gee, I wonder where he is getting his family values from??

[Ultra Peanut]

Yep. He is named after a luchadore.

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[Saulbadguy]

It needs to have some sort of a disclaimer. I would never let my kids watch that stuff. Its pretty sad when you watch it on TV and see some 9 year old flipping some wrestler the bird. Gee, I wonder where he is getting his family values from??
Like I said..the whole "Format" has changed. Wrestlers vs Administration.

It used to be Sargent Slaughter vs the Iron Sheik or Nikolai Volkoff

Ultimate Warrior vs Macho Man Randy Savage

Sting vs Ric Flair

Good vs Bad...

[Saulbadguy]

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He was ok. Personally I liked Juventud Guerrero. I loved the Luchadores the best, it was pure athleticism, and no drama. They didn't even talk...except when they formed that Latino World Order. That was freaking stupid.

[Ultra Peanut]

He was ok. Personally I liked Juventud Guerrero. I loved the Luchadores the best, it was pure athleticism, and no drama. They didn't even talk...except when they formed that Latino World Order. That was freaking stupid.Juvy Juice rocked. ROFL

Sometimes, I miss the days when I watched wrestling regularly (those ended back around 2000). Then I catch a WWE show on UPN or Spike, and the nostalgia is erased by the fact that it's all so redundant now.

[Rausch]

Good point. If boxing came out and just admitted to the fans that it was all fixed, they might get more respect from the fans like wrestling did. :spock:

[big nasty kcnut]

Well vince have gotten away from that now in now getting back to good vs.evil but the things that are killing them is this

1.letting go of good talent for no reason like gail kim and kevin nash and scott hall
2.weak crusierweight div. cause vince don't want it to take away from the main event
3.pushing the wrong talent i.e. randy orton and snitkey not talented guys like rob vam dam or matt hardy
4.using dumb guys as your writers like triple h and not using guys like paul hyman or eric bischoff

that the other thing eric bischoff and paul heyman were head of wcw and ecw now they just used for show instead of using thier creative minds you just use them as heel managers

I'm not the smartest man but if vince listened to my advice the wwe would be getting more fans in the seats and shutting up us internet know it all

[Saulbadguy]

Juvy Juice rocked. ROFL

Sometimes, I miss the days when I watched wrestling regularly (those ended back around 2000). Then I catch a WWE show on UPN or Spike, and the nostalgia is erased by the fact that it's all so redundant now.
Same here. Back in the late 90's i'd flip between MNF, WCW and WWF. I'm getting nostalgic as we speak. My favorite matches ever:

1. Bret Hart vs Ric Flair, the "Best of the Best" match.
2. Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan, Wrestlemania 10 IIRC...not sure which one it was, but Warrior won both the World and Intercontinental title.
3. Bret Hart vs Sting
4. Anytime Juventud and Rey Mysterio faced off

[Saulbadguy]

Well vince have gotten away from that now in now getting back to good vs.evil but the things that are killing them is this

1.letting go of good talent for no reason like gail kim and kevin nash and scott hall
2.weak crusierweight div. cause vince don't want it to take away from the main event
3.pushing the wrong talent i.e. randy orton and snitkey not talented guys like rob vam dam or matt hardy
4.using dumb guys as your writers like triple h and not using guys like paul hyman or eric bischoff

that the other thing eric bischoff and paul heyman were head of wcw and ecw now they just used for show instead of using thier creative minds you just use them as heel managers

I'm not the smartest man but if vince listened to my advice the wwe would be getting more fans in the seats and shutting up us internet know it all

I agree. Occasionally i'll stop on WWE when its playing, and see that the main event is HHH vs some pud. Rob Van Dam was possibly the best athlete coming out of ECW and they basically ruined him.

Oh...and Chris Jericho, he is awesome, but they don't use him like he should be used, a cruiserweight.

[KingPriest2]

By "shock", I meant the incorporation of:

A) Skimpily clothed women. Normally I don't mind this, but most of the women aren't that attractive, and they put them in sexual situations, which I don't care to see when watching wrestling.

B)Alcohol-related situations. Remember the thing with Scott Hall, and Road Warrior Hawk? Totally stupid.

C) Stone Cold Steve Austin. He is the character that single handedly ruined wrestling. There was no good guy vs bad guy, it was bad guy vs badder guy.

When Vince got involved in the show, it turned in to a wrestlers vs the administration show, and its been that way ever since. Fvcking stupid.


No actually it Austin was not around then WWE would not be as big as it is today. He didn't ruin it. He is one of the main reasons why WWE took off.

[Ultra Peanut]

By the way, I met the Rock when he was "Flex Kavana" in (now-defunct) Memphis promotion USWA. My (female) cousin said, and I quote, "I'd like to Flex his Kavana."

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[KingPriest2]

Well vince have gotten away from that now in now getting back to good vs.evil but the things that are killing them is this

1.letting go of good talent for no reason like gail kim and kevin nash and scott hall
2.weak crusierweight div. cause vince don't want it to take away from the main event
3.pushing the wrong talent i.e. randy orton and snitkey not talented guys like rob vam dam or matt hardy
4.using dumb guys as your writers like triple h and not using guys like paul hyman or eric bischoff

that the other thing eric bischoff and paul heyman were head of wcw and ecw now they just used for show instead of using thier creative minds you just use them as heel managers

I'm not the smartest man but if vince listened to my advice the wwe would be getting more fans in the seats and shutting up us internet know it all

Kevin Nash and Scott Hall? ROFL

I do agree with you about Gail Kim

Randy Orton is good.

[Saulbadguy]

No actually it Austin was not around then WWE would not be as big as it is today. He didn't ruin it. He is one of the main reasons why WWE took off.
Exactly, he ruined it. He turned it into a 3 hour smut fest, with little to no wrestling taking place.

I guess its more popular now than ever though. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

[Saulbadguy]

By the way, I met the Rock when he was "Flex Kavana" in (now-defunct) Memphis promotion USWA. My (female) cousin said, and I quote, "I'd like to Flex his Kavana."

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Haha...I remember when he first arrived on the scene at WWF. Rocky Maivia. He joined the Nation of Domination (stupid lame gimmick), and was a heel.

[David.]

Me and my cousins used to love wrestling, granted....we were like 12. But it was rad.

[KCTitus]

This was years and years ago, but when I watched the big matches were:

Hogan v. Macho Man -- until they paired up
Roddy Piper v. Paul Orndorff
Ted Dibiase (million dollar man) and his side kick Hector or whatever his name was fighting whoever.

[Saulbadguy]

This was years and years ago, but when I watched the big matches were:

Hogan v. Macho Man -- until they paired up
Roddy Piper v. Paul Orndorff
Ted Dibiase (million dollar man) and his side kick Hector or whatever his name was fighting whoever.
Virgil. :)

[Jenson71]

I'm proud to say that when wrestling was cool, I had none of it.

[grandllama]

Exactly, he ruined it. He turned it into a 3 hour smut fest, with little to no wrestling taking place.

I guess its more popular now than ever though. Makes sense. :rolleyes:

Wrong. Ratings are horrible. House show attendance is down. Pay per view buy rates are down.

The Austin argument is valid, however Vince purchasing the WCW is what has led to the sorry state of wrestling today. When your competitor is gone, you have no reason to innovate (or in wrestling's case, create story lines that actually make sense)

[KCTitus]

Oh, that makes me remember a few more...

Hacksaw Jim Duggan - thinking back, what an absolute dufus
Ultimate Warrior had been mentioned
Jake the Snake
Ricky Steamboat
Honky Tonk Man -- probably the most retarded character for a wrestler and his manager -- I cant for the life of me remember his name, but he carried a megaphone.

[Saulbadguy]

Oh, that makes me remember a few more...

Hacksaw Jim Duggan - thinking back, what an absolute dufus
Ultimate Warrior had been mentioned
Jake the Snake
Ricky Steamboat
Honky Tonk Man -- probably the most retarded character for a wrestler and his manager -- I cant for the life of me remember his name, but he carried a megaphone.
Jimmy Hart, the mouth of the south.

[HC_Chief]

Wrestling is scripted gay steroid-injecting MMA wannabe garbage.

Check out the <i>real</i> stuff! <a href="http://www.sherdog.com/">Sherdog's MMA site</a> :D

[grandllama]

Well vince have gotten away from that now in now getting back to good vs.evil but the things that are killing them is this

1.letting go of good talent for no reason like gail kim and kevin nash and scott hall
2.weak crusierweight div. cause vince don't want it to take away from the main event
3.pushing the wrong talent i.e. randy orton and snitkey not talented guys like rob vam dam or matt hardy
4.using dumb guys as your writers like triple h and not using guys like paul hyman or eric bischoff

that the other thing eric bischoff and paul heyman were head of wcw and ecw now they just used for show instead of using thier creative minds you just use them as heel managers

I'm not the smartest man but if vince listened to my advice the wwe would be getting more fans in the seats and shutting up us internet know it all

Nash and Hall were past their prime when Vince brought them back with Hogan to try to revive the NWO. Hogan was waaaaay beyond his prime though, but the crowds ate it up. If you want to see Nash & Hall catch Impact Wrestling (Jeff Jarrett's dad owns this franchise of the NWA and Jeff holds the book) on Fox Sports and just seen how awful they are.

Orton isn't that bad and has a traditional wrestling pedigree (which doesn't always = success... see Dustin Rhodes)

Triple H does not hold the book in WWF, but by virtue of marrying the boss's daughter, he does have tremendous influence. However the creative team has NO incentive to actually do what they are paid to do... Be Creative.

[KCTitus]

Jimmy Hart, the mouth of the south.

Wow...dunno whether it's good or bad to not remember that.

[Saulbadguy]

Wow...dunno whether it's good or bad to not remember that.
I've got a very good memory, especially from my younger days.

No malted hops or bong resin clouding it up..yet.

[grandllama]

Oh, that makes me remember a few more...

Hacksaw Jim Duggan - thinking back, what an absolute dufus
Ultimate Warrior had been mentioned
Jake the Snake
Ricky Steamboat
Honky Tonk Man -- probably the most retarded character for a wrestler and his manager -- I cant for the life of me remember his name, but he carried a megaphone.

Jake the Snake was recently sent to prison for animal cruelty... he was deathly afraid of his snakes and starved one to death. (He's also had serious drug and mental problems)

Honky Tonk's manager was Jimmy 'The Mouth of the South' Hart who in a previous life was a backup singer for Elvis and also carried the book in the WCWO.

[big nasty kcnut]

honky tonk man is jerry lawer cousin.
kevin nash and scott wern't the best wrestler but they were good promos guys who can stir a pot real well.

randy orton is a prick he first did awol when he was a marine then cause of his name he got a big push.
when other guys should be pushed.
charlie haas is a great wrestler but don't get pushed.
plus vince get a lot of slow untalented big mens cause he think they will fill the seats.
i hate it but i'll keep watching cause it make me laugh and they got the smoking hot babes.

[Skip Towne]

Now we need a good NASCAR thread.

[grandllama]

Juvy Juice rocked. ROFL

Sometimes, I miss the days when I watched wrestling regularly (those ended back around 2000). Then I catch a WWE show on UPN or Spike, and the nostalgia is erased by the fact that it's all so redundant now.

Juvy signed his own pink slip when he got drugged and drunk in Japan and pissed in a potted plant in a hotel lobby. I've caught him on Univision working with the Lucha's but I doubt he'll ever work in a major again.

[HC_Chief]

You know why it's called 'NASCAR'?

'Cuz that's what all the 'necks say as the racers go flyin' past: "Hay, that shawr is a <i>nas</i> kar!" :D

[Ultra Peanut]

Jimmy Hart rules -- supposedly a good guy in real life, too.

[grandllama]

They both pretended to be drunk all the time on camera. It was lame.

I'm not that familiar with the Road Warrior, but the Scott Hall alcholic crap in WCW was scripted on purpose (except the endings), and Scott was drunk for most of the scenes... as he was pretty much 24x7 those days. When Hall would get humiliated by the other wrestlers for being a drunk douchebag, those parts of the story were not scripted. It was the wrestlers actually making fun of Scott.... WCW's version of tough love I guess...

[HC_Chief]

Holy crap, grandllama knows his wrasslin'!! C'mon man, fill us in, what was <i>your</i> ring persona? (seriously, that's cool that you know so much about it... true officinados are rare)

[Saulbadguy]

Still, I don't think it had any place on camera. Not that i'm a moral person or anything, but I wanted to watch wrestling.

It'd be like tuning in to a Chiefs game and watching Priest Holmes stumble around the sidelines drunk.

[Ultra Peanut]

"I wanna kiss you" - Priest Holmes

[R&GHomer]

Heh.

I think it's hilarious this is even a topic of discussion. It's like grown men arguing over Santa Claus or something.

:thumb: pretty much.

[grandllama]

.. Being bodyslammed hurts. I'm not sure how you fake that act unless you think it's all computer generated and the live audience is under a mass hypnotic suggestion or something.

If you know how to take the bump, a body slam really doesn't do much more than tickle. ****ing chair shots hurt... Rick Flair chops hurt... The biggest thing to remember in pro wrestling is the person doing the move is basically doing nothing. The receiver of the move is doing all the work. Body slams included... watch any wrestling move and you'll see the receiver setting it up by jumping or running to the rope or...

The only time it really hurts (minus the chairs and the chops) is if you screw up a move.

(Llama did this crap for couple years in Indy... more because I wanted to learn the secrets than any odd desire to make it to the WWE)

[KingPriest2]

Exactly, he ruined it. He turned it into a 3 hour smut fest, with little to no wrestling taking place.

I guess its more popular now than ever though. Makes sense. :rolleyes:


I kind of see what you are saying, but with Austin the scene exploded.

[grandllama]

Holy crap, grandllama knows his wrasslin'!! C'mon man, fill us in, what was your ring persona? (seriously, that's cool that you know so much about it... true officinados are rare)

I spent a year as Dylan (a goldberg knockoff) and then after Dylan got kidnapped by Dangerous Don Basher (i.e. I got too out of shape to pull the goldberg shit anymore) I came back as the masked persona Mr. Toad who dressed like Mankind but wore a neon green hockey mask and neon green Chuck Taylors and had a serious flatulance problem... (they hid a fart machine at the announcers desk during my matches and mic'd it)

[HC_Chief]

lol

That's awesome. Bet it was a blast :D

[grandllama]

lol

That's awesome. Bet it was a blast :D

It was a fun time... and not a bad way to get some exercise. I walked away when the real life Dangerous Don Basher decided he wanted a little of the real life Ms. Llama.

Still keep in touch with most of them plus have some friends who have actually made it to the WWE developmental leagues (Ohio Valley and the one out of Louisville) so that's where I keep up with my news on the big guys... I can't watch much of it anymore...

[KingPriest2]

It was a fun time... and not a bad way to get some exercise. I walked away when the real life Dangerous Don Basher decided he wanted a little of the real life Ms. Llama.

Still keep in touch with most of them plus have some friends who have actually made it to the WWE developmental leagues (Ohio Valley and the one out of Louisville) so that's where I keep up with my news on the big guys... I can't watch much of it anymore...


Do you know Rob Weisner out of Joplin?

[grandllama]

Do you know Rob Weisner out of Joplin?

Sounds familiar, whats his persona?

[KingPriest2]

Sounds familiar, whats his persona?


I can't rem. He did wear orange tights. He wrestled for the NWA kan and mo a couple of years ago. 6 3 250 short hair sometimes bald. goatee

[andoman]

I've seen high school wrestling. I've seen college wrestling. I've even seen Olympic wrestling. But as many times as I've tried, I've yet to see professional wrestling.

[Molitoth]

anyone seen King of the Deathmatch over in Japan? that sh*t is rough.

I got on tape Mic Folley vs Terry Funk. They have barbed wire ropes, barbed wire covered plywood sheets with exploding bombs, a ladder, a plywood sheet full of nails, and beds full of thumbtacks. You should see the closeups of all the thumbtacks in the back of peoples skull. It will seriously change your view on some wrestling stars. Japan is hardcore, WWE is not.

[tk13]

The Intergender Champion... of the WORLD!

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