My updated attempt to rank the 100 all-time greatest Chiefs.

[Rain Man]

This is based on their career productivity as a Chief, combined with their dominance while playing. Critique away.

Current players are in bold.

1. Willie Lanier
2. Buck Buchanan
3. Len Dawson
4. Bobby Bell
5. Derrick Thomas
6. Otis Taylor
7. Will Shields
8. Tony Gonzalez
9. Priest Holmes
10. Abner Haynes
11. Deron Cherry
12. Art Still
13. Jan Stenerud
14. Albert Lewis
15. Christian Okoye
16. Johnny Robinson
17. Jack Rudnay
18. Emmitt Thomas
19. Ed Budde
20. John Alt
21. Fred Arbanas
22. Neil Smith
23. Jerrell Wilson
24. Dave Szott
25. Ed Podolak
26. Jim Tyrer
27. Kimble Anders
28. Jim Lynch
29. Tony Richardson
30. Dale Carter
31. Nick Lowery
32. Kevin Ross
33. Dan Saleaumua
34. E.J. Holub
35. Trent Green
36. Chris Burford
37. Stephone Paige
38. Sherrill Headrick
39. Mo Moorman
40. Marcus Allen
41. Tamarick Vanover
42. Matt Herkenhoff
43. Mike Garrett
44. Joe Montana
45. James Hasty
46. Gary Green
47. Gary Barbaro
48. Henry Marshall
49. Gary Spani
50. Bill Maas
51. Curley Culp
52. Tim Grunhard
53. Mike Bell
54. Jerome Woods
55. Fred Williamson
56. Carlos Carson
57. Donnie Edwards
58. Bill Kenney
59. Dave Hill
60. Dante Hall
61. Willie Roaf
62. Steve DeBerg
63. Brian Waters
64. Keith Cash
65. Larry Brunson
66. Ken McAlister
67. Aaron Brown
68. Dino Hackett
69. Walter White
70. Barry Word
71. Anthony Davis
72. J.T. Smith
73. Tom Condon
74. Noland Smith
75. Mike Livingston
76. Ken Kremer
77. Joe Phillips
78. Eric Warfield
79. Warren McVea
80. Jim Kearney
81. John Tait
82. Irv Eatman
83. Dave Lutz
84. Todd McNair
85. Danan Hughes
86. Carl Mays
87. John Browning
88. Don Parrish
89. Jim Marsalis
90. Marvcus Patton
91. Robert Holmes
92. Wendell Hayes
93. Willie Davis
94. Victor Riley
95. J.J. Birden
96. Greg Manusky
97. Eddie Kennison
98. Greg Wesley
99. Rich Baldinger
100. Eric Hicks

[Demonpenz]

grbac was a probower where is he at

[Rain Man]

Hmm. Yeah, Grbac might make the list. Where would you rank him?

[Demonpenz]

i dunno 90 or so. Was the qb during some winning seasons. Threw for 600 yards in a game and possible could throw a football over a mountain

[|Zach|]

I looked at the top 5 and didn't see Sean LeChapple.

Who is the ringmaster of this circus?

[beavis]

Starts to get kinda thin after 50, huh?

[wazu]

Hmm. Yeah, Grbac might make the list. Where would you rank him?

Right behind Stills.

[Demonpenz]

i always thought salimua kept OL off of DT in the earlier years.

[Rain Man]

i dunno 90 or so. Was the qb during some winning seasons. Threw for 600 yards in a game and possible could throw a football over a mountain

Yeah, possibly. The interesting thing about Grbac is that he has some very good performance, but also some major gaffes, and his career in KC wasn't that long. I wouldn't argue with him being on the bottom of the list, but it's close. I think maybe a guy like Manusky or Birden may have had a larger net positive impact, but Grbac's Pro Bowl may give him credence to move past them.

[Demonpenz]

D. Cherry was the first saftey i heard the term "Ball hawk"

[Rain Man]

The Lowery/Stenerud rankings are hard, too. I've got Stenerud at 13 and Lowery at 31, but I view them as being roughly equal. Stenerud's HoF bust gives him a big boost, though. It's hard to compare a kicker against other positions.

[Demonpenz]

are those players that are still active on the list for their projective stats, or are you saying that they are there already?

[Rain Man]

are those players that are still active on the list for their projective stats, or are you saying that they are there already?

I'm saying they're there already. They can still move up or down based on what they do in the future.

[Demonpenz]

I must have been too young to realize alt was really good, but i would think niel smith would be above him.

[Demonpenz]

Or it maybe a list no matter if it is in reality perfect, always looks wrong to me.

[Demonpenz]

Who is the highest ranked punter

[Rain Man]

Who is the highest ranked punter


I ranked Jerrell Wilson #23. He played with the Chiefs for (I think) 16 years, and was one of the best punters in the league. He also played fullback early in his career.


As for Alt, he was a rock at left tackle. I remember at one point the announcers mentioning that he had given up 1.5 sacks over a two-year period. I think he only made the Pro Bowl once (and that was as an alternate), but then again Anthony Munoz went to Hawaii every year during much of that time, and the press salivated over the (overrated) Richmond Webb, who kept making the Pro Bowl because Dan Marino had such a quick release that he never got sacked.

That said, I wouldn't disagree with someone rating Neil Smith above him, either. The two had somewhat similar career arcs, in my opinion. Smith's might have gone a little higher but a little shorter.

[Skip Towne]

A member of that list is currently ranked in the top 5 all time scorers in the NFL. Who is it?

[FloridaChief]

A member of that list is currently ranked in the top 5 all time scorers in the NFL. Who is it?

Lowry or Stenerud, I'd guess...

[Calcountry]

grbac was a probower where is he at
That is a bullseye.

[Mr. Kotter]

Lowry or Stenerud, I'd guess...

Both are, aren't they? :hmmm:

[Mr. Kotter]

Rich Scanlon? :hmmm:

[Calcountry]

are those players that are still active on the list for their projective stats, or are you saying that they are there already?
I sure hope that they haven't "plateaued".

[FloridaChief]

Both are, aren't they? :hmmm:

If I had to guess, I'd go with Nick Lowry...

[Skip Towne]

Rich Scanlon? :hmmm:
Uh....he's not on the list. He's in a class by himself.

[Deberg_1990]

Danan Hughes is ranked ahead of JJ Birden and Willie Davis?? WTF?? why dont we just put Jessie (I love the pre-season) Haynes on the list too??

[Ecto-I]

Louie Aguiar should be on the list IMO, and Dante Hall should be ranked above Tamarick Vanover.

[JohnnyV13]

Uhhhh....


I can't believe there's a list like that on CP and it doesn't list Joe Delaney. C'mon..a short career, but he's in the Chiefs HofF.

He SHOULD make a TOP 100 list.

[Skip Towne]

If I had to guess, I'd go with Nick Lowry...
Yep, it's Lowery.

[Logical]

I will just rerank the top 20

1. Willie Lanier
2. Bobby Bell
3. Buck Buchanan
3. Otis Taylor
4. Jim Tyrer
5. Derrick Thomas
6. Ed Budde
7. Will Shields
8. Tony Gonzalez
9. Priest Holmes
10. Emmitt Thomas
11. Johnny Robinson
13..Deron Cherry
14. Art Still
15. Jan Stenerud
16. Albert Lewis
17. Christian Okoye
16. Mo Moorman
17. Jack Rudnay
18. Abner Haynes
19. Dale Carter
20. Len Dawson

Kudos Rain Man on the herculean effort.

[Thig Lyfe]

Threw for 600 yards in a game

when did that happen?

[WilliamTheIrish]

You can nix Lowry. It was that p*ssy that led the player revolt that fired John Mackovic after the 86 season (the season we made the playoffs for the first time in 16 years) and forced Frank Gansz on us.

Useless POS.

[Skip Towne]

You can nix Lowry. It was that p*ssy that led the player revolt that fired John Mackovic after the 86 season (the season we made the playoffs for the first time in 16 years) and forced Frank Gansz on us.

Useless POS.
Yeah, Mackovic really turned out to be a world beater didn't he? Shut up William.

[Skip Towne]

Who the hell is Carl Mays? Why is "One year Wonder" Eric Hicks on there? Where are Frank Pitts and Jerry Mayes?

[Deberg_1990]

Yeah, Mackovic really turned out to be a world beater didn't he? Shut up William.

Well, he was 10 times better than Ganz. Ganz only got the job because his special teams were the primary reason we made the playoffs in 86. They blocked a few crucial punts if i remember right?? Albert lewis was a beast at blocking punts.

[papasmurf]

It is late but didn't see Mike Garrett on the list.

[Skip Towne]

Well, he was 10 times better than Ganz. Ganz only got the job because his special teams were the primary reason we made the playoffs in 86. They blocked a few crucial punts if i remember right?? Albert lewis was a beast at blocking punts.
They were both shitty. But certainly no reason to nix Lowery. The players hated Mackovic and Nick just happened to get elected to represent them, probably because he had been around the longest.

[Skip Towne]

It is late but didn't see Mike Garrett on the list.
Yeah, Garrett is on there. But why is Larry Brunson on there and Lloyd Burruss isn't? :shrug:

[PssvAggrssvDck]

I appreciate the effort, Kev. But this is an impossible task.

[Rain Man]

Arrr, how did I miss Burruss? He definitely should be on there.


It's hard to figure out if Delaney should be on there or not. He had a great rookie year, but there are a lot of guys who have had one good year for the Chiefs.

I'm still struggling with Grbac, too. He did some good things, but he did some bad things as well. Maybe the Pro Bowl berth allows him to get on the list, though.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Curly Culp is way too low on the list.

Guy was dominating. Even after we got rid of him.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Yeah, Mackovic really turned out to be a world beater didn't he? Shut up William.

World beater? No. But better than that faux fighter pilot? Absolutely.

I cringe when I see Gansz Jr. on the sidelines today.

[jettio]

Rain Man's top 100 does not have any kickoff specialists.

It's a close call, but I would nominate Jon Baker over Scott Bentley.

If only so that somebody could kick the crap outta him if he shows up for the top 100 banquet.

[jettio]

Rocky Rasley was destined to make the list if he had not been left exposed in the 1976 expansion draft.

Dammit, Carl! :banghead: :banghead:

[jettio]

Rocky Rasley was destined to make the list if he had not been left exposed in the 1976 expansion draft.

Dammit, Carl! :banghead: :banghead:

Considering how the Rock could not even make the first Seahawks roster that year, that was a lose-lose situation all the way around.

[cdcox]

I would rank Grbac ahead of Livingston.

They were very similar in career yardage for the Chiefs (Livingston: 11,295 vs. Grbac: 10,638).

Grbac was the clear leader in passer rating: 80.56 vs. 63.27. In career passer rating, Livingston ranks between such illustrious players as Steve Fuller and Todd Blackledge.

Livingston's only redeeming value was that he kept the Chief's going during their SB year while Dawson was injured. The three years he was a starter the Chiefs finished 5-9, 2-12, and 4-12.

I would probably take Livingston off the list altogether and drop Grbac in around 80-90.

[Bowser]

Grbac doesn't need to be on the list. He crapped his shorts in his ONE playoff appearance as a Chief. If Marty hadn't been so stubborn about getting Grbac back for the playoffs (even though Gannon was 5 or 6 and 1 as a starter), we'd be talking about Gannon's place on that list.

[JohnnyV13]

Rainman,

Great effort. But, I think you know more its probably too big a job for any one person to do without some help.

One player I think you overlooked was Curtis McClinton. He was a fullback so doesn't have really impressive career stats, BUT he did make 3 pro bowls.

[JohnnyV13]

Here's another old timer that I don't even know who he is, BUT he played 6 years and made 3 pro bowls:

Mel Branch. defemsive line...pbs in 61 62 and 63

[Skip Towne]

Rainman,

Great effort. But, I think you know more its probably too big a job for any one person to do without some help.

One player I think you overlooked was Curtis McClinton. He was a fullback so doesn't have really impressive career stats, BUT he did make 3 pro bowls.
Yep, and he's a KU product as well. He should be on the list.

[Logical]

Hey Rain Man, after reviewing your list I am kind of wondering what your criteria for productivity was, I figure this was a very difficult project but I have yet to follow how some perenial All Stars of the early Chiefs ended up ranked so low?

[Rain Man]

Good points all.

I'm thinking about making this an offseason project for the Planet. I'll actually pull together stats and info on a bunch of guys, and we can use the power of polling to develop an official Chiefsplanet ranking.