Height and CB

[JakeT]

With mocks now showing Pac Man Jones coming to KC lets discuss the height - CB thing. Do you really think the difference between say 5-10/11 and 6-2/3 is that big of a deal for a CB.

Personally I don't. I'm 6' and I've played hoops and football against guys 6-4 and 6-5 and been able to man handle some of them. Obviously there's guys that are bigger and better althetes too, but for the most part I think timing and althetic ability can easily over come 4 inches. But by reading the draft reports and posts on this board you'd think 4 inches is 4 ft.

More support for my thoughts

Ty Law 5-11
Fred Smoot 5-11
Phillip Bucannon 5-10
Lito Sheppard 5-10

Discuss

Here's to hoping both the Chiefs starting CBs are new next year.

[Hammock Parties]

I think it's slightly overrated, but you can't count on someone like Mighty Mouse consistently.

McNugget's lack of height only serves to further expose his other weaknesses.

[FloridaChief]

Anyone else as tired of Jake's day-late-and-dollar-short threads as I am?

Neg rep.

[Thig Lyfe]

Anyone else as tired of Jake's day-late-and-dollar-short threads as I am?

Neg rep.

BURN HER!!!!

[philfree]

I think it matters some but some players are just players. 5'10" seems a little small to me but 5'11" on up I'm O.K. with. With the way H&Ws are reported before the draft 5'11" oftens is more like 5'9". Buyer beware.

PhilFree :arrow:

[KCJake]

If the 5'11" guy has a 40inch vertical, vs the 6'1" guys 38inch vertical, its usually a wash.

[philfree]

If the 5'11" guy has a 40inch vertical, vs the 6'1" guys 38inch vertical, its usually a wash.

I'm not sure I've ever seen Bartee leave his feet :hmmm:


PhilFree :arrow:

[jspchief]

If the 5'11" guy has a 40inch vertical, vs the 6'1" guys 38inch vertical, its usually a wash.
Probably not. You're not taking into account that the taller guy has longer arms (typically).

Those longer arms can also be the difference in how tight he can cover. A guy with longer arms could play "off" a little more and still have a shot at the ball. Granted, they are small increments, but you know what they say about "a game of inches..."

[Manila-Chief]

Well, even an inch will matter if all other things are equal. But, we know that even the same 40 time trials does not mean equal play. Some guys play faster than their times ... and some play taller as well.

But, IIRC ... Gun was big on going after taller WR and CR's .... look where that got us.

We need players!!! not hight!

[Fire Me Boy!]

I'm not sure I've ever seen Bartee leave his feet :hmmm:


PhilFree :arrow:
I've seen him leave his feet... 'course, he's usually trying to dive to tackle somebody from behind, but he still left his feet. But hell, I don't care if the CB's 5'2" with a 28" vertical if he'll turn his head to look for the ball.

[KCJake]

Probably not. You're not taking into account that the taller guy has longer arms (typically).

Those longer arms can also be the difference in how tight he can cover. A guy with longer arms could play "off" a little more and still have a shot at the ball. Granted, they are small increments, but you know what they say about "a game of inches..."
I see what your saying, but a vertical leap does take into account the length of the person's arms. A 6'0" player with a 40inch vertical, can reach the same point as a 6'2" player with a 38inch vertical.

[2bikemike]

I saw on a Dr Phil show that size doesn't matter. He said " Its not how deep you plow the field its how long you plow the field"

[HolmeZz]

Speed matters more than Height, mainly since most Corners are generally between 5'11 and 6'1. There's a greater differential in the ranges of speed.

[HolmeZz]

I see what your saying, but a vertical leap does take into account the length of the person's arms. A 6'0" player with a 40inch vertical, can reach the same point as a 6'2" player with a 38inch vertical.

Not everyone's arms are the same length. Your equation works if the 6'1 guy and the 5'11 guy both have the same arm lengths. The vertical leap only measures how far their feet get off the ground.

[go bo]

Speed matters more than Height, mainly since most Corners are generally between 5'11 and 6'11. There's a greater differential in the ranges of speed.wow, can we get one of those?

a 6'11 inch cornerback?

just think how gun could use a guy like that... :D

[HolmeZz]

6'1 :(

[Fire Me Boy!]

Work on his hands and put him at WR.

[KCJake]

Not everyone's arms are the same length. Your equation works if the 6'1 guy and the 5'11 guy both have the same arm lengths. The vertical leap only measures how far their feet get off the ground.
The definition of vertical jump is the jump reach minus the standing reach. The "standing reach" is how high you can extend one arm above your head while keeping both feet together and flat on the floor. Nevermind. Im pretty tired. See ya later. :thumb:

[Mr. Kotter]

Well, my only question is this:

Why settle for ONE when you can have BOTH?? :shrug:

I'll take the OSU kid, Brandon Browner...big, physical, and 4.4?

[Fire Me Boy!]

That's EXACTLY what I was saying in your pooper chute thread...

[whoman69]

Gun likes larger CBs that can bump at the line. That is why McCleon was such an abysmal failure this year.

[rocks]

I just want a CB that has great NECK rotation that allows him to look BACK for the ball!!!

[FloridaChief]

I just want a CB that has great NECK rotation that allows him to look BACK for the ball!!!

Give it up. You're living in a dream world.

[ROYC75]

Man, what we really need is Batman, Robin,Superman,Captain America and Rambo as our defensive backfield.

[crossbow]

It probably matters in the end zone when they have to cover a big tight end. They won't out leap the guy so they have to be able to hit him hard enough to break up the play. I say it's over-rated unless the difference is about a foot. That is too much to make up for.

To not draft a talented corner only because he is 5'11 would be a mistake. Looking for physical atributes over football abiltiy has proven to burn us too often. Just draft a guy that can do the job - to heck with potential.

[Frankie]

Why not Carlos Rogers, if we go CB at 15? Seems like I've read better stuff about him than the PacMan.

[RNR]

It has always been thought of as a advantage to have a 6' plus CB as they can be more physical, and handle TEs and larger WOs. With the way they are calling the rules now it is a moot point. FWIW having P-Buch on your list does not help your stance.

[rocks]

Hey, I hear that there are some great S in the draft. Maybe we could convert them to a CB!!

[warpaint99]

If you guys read the article on the cornerbacks posted yesterday you would also notice that some of those guys can't cover quick little WR. I think i read Rolle can cover the big wr but struggled against the little WR's. I hope we take a guy that can cover all kinds.