Crouch accepts Chiefs' offer [Archive]

View Full Version : Crouch accepts Chiefs' offer

alanm

01-23-2005, 10:17 AM

Crouch accepts Chiefs' offer

Still on Toronto's negotiation list By PERRY LEFKO -- Toronto Sun

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Toronto/2005/01/23/crouch_eric.jpgEric Crouch in a file photo. (AP Photo)
Eric Crouch is returning to football (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Toronto/2005/01/23/907739-sun.html#), but not with the Argos and not as a quarterback. Crouch, who is on the Argos' negotiation list and spent a couple of days in Toronto last year visiting the city and the team's facility, has accepted an offer from the Kansas City Chiefs. But Crouch, who won the Heisman Trophy in 2001 with the University of Nebraska as a quarterback, will be allocated by the Chiefs to NFL (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Toronto/2005/01/23/907739-sun.html#) Europe as a safety prospect. The player's agent, Jim Steiner, informed Argos player personnel director Greg Mohns a couple of days ago that the 26-year-old Crouch wanted to take another shot at the NFL. He has had tries with the St. Louis Rams and Green Bay Packers, but principally at positions other than quarterback. NFL teams like his speed and athleticism, but the knock on the six-footer is his lack of size and arm strength to play at the NFL level. Last year, he turned to working full-time in a business in Omaha, but accepted the Argos' offer to come to Toronto in the fall because of the team's sincere desire to let him play quarterback. There is a general belief that Crouch could succeed in the CFL as a quarterback because of his speed and mobility.

"There is no reason not to keep him on the negotiation list," Mohns said. "If we would have gotten something done (in terms of contract), he'd have spent all spring with a quarterback guru to get his skills back." It's still expected the Argos will sign at least one more quarterback to their roster, either via free agency or a trade. Damon Allen is scheduled to become a free agent on Feb. 16 and so far has rejected the team's initial offer. Backup Michael Bishop is currently playing in the Arena League and is under contract to the Argos. Two other players, Romaro Miller and Scott Krause, are also under contract, but neither figured significantly last year and, at best, are considered developing prospects. ARGONOTES The agent for Arland Bruce, the star receiver/return specialist who is entering his option year with the Argos, is talking with the team about extending the deal, while also exploring interest in the NFL. Bruce already has had one year in the NFL but didn't play much and so far the market in the NFL for CFL players is soft ... Montreal Alouettes (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Toronto/2005/01/23/907739-sun.html#)' backup offensive lineman Sherko Haji-Rasouli, who is from Toronto, is expected to sign with either Hamilton or the Argos when he becomes a free agent on Feb. 16 to play closer to home, according to sources.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Toronto/2005/01/23/907739-sun.html

Don't ask me. I only report these things. :hmmm:

RealSNR

01-23-2005, 10:20 AM

Does everyone agree with me in saying that Crouch has been the biggest loser for a Heisman winner ever?

alanm

01-23-2005, 10:23 AM

Naw... There's been worse, but I can't think of any at the moment. I just woke up.
Besides winning the Heisman doesn't usually equate into sucess in pro football anyway.

Taco John

01-23-2005, 10:23 AM

It figures you guys would bring in a quitter...

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:23 AM

This guy is like a bad case of luggage. You just can't get rid of him.

Can't wait for him to show up and quit halfway through training camp, saying he has always wanted to be an NFL wide receiver, not a safety.

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:25 AM

It figures you guys would bring in a quitter...

Peterson is reaching for the Cornhusker fan base to fill the steadily emptying seats.

Can't wait to see what Phobia thinks of this..... :shake:

Eleazar

01-23-2005, 10:27 AM

Does everyone agree with me in saying that Crouch has been the biggest loser for a Heisman winner ever?

Rashan Salaam...Chris Weinke... Ron Dayne... Danny Wuerffel... Gino Torretta... Andre Ware... seems like the modern winners are only about a 50/50 shot at being good NFL players.

Though, those guys at least weren't quitters.

alanm

01-23-2005, 10:30 AM

gblowfish

01-23-2005, 10:32 AM

The bigger statement would be "Just how bad is our secondary if we have to sign this guy for a shot at possibly making the team". Hey, maybe we could convert Lawrence Phillips to play cornerback. He's shown great abilities to play bump and run. Just ask his girlfriends.

Phobia

01-23-2005, 10:32 AM

Does everyone agree with me in saying that Crouch has been the biggest loser for a Heisman winner ever?

No. There has been much worse. Off the top of my head, Weinke and Dayne were worse.

Plus, one must consider who Crouch was competing with....
Damien Anderson, Woody Dantzlerm Antwaan Randle El, Ken Dorsey, Joey Harrington and Ken Simonton.

Heh.

penchief

01-23-2005, 10:33 AM

Does everyone agree with me in saying that Crouch has been the biggest loser for a Heisman winner ever?

Archie Griffin won back to back Heisman's and was a major bust in the NFL.

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:35 AM

The bigger statement would be "Just how bad is our secondary if we have to sign this guy for a shot at possibly making the team".
Besides, I always thought he'd be a better RB than anything else. Just don't know why he doesn't want to be a RB.:shrug:

I'll agree with that. Or more specifically, a Ronnie Harmon type of back who specializes in catching the ball out of the backfield.

I don't think this guy has what it takes to lay the hammer on some receiver coming across the middle. His walking away from two NFL teams backs up my theory.

On a side note here, just how cheap is Peterson? We have glaring weaknesses in our secondary, and he goes for the cheapest possible fix that in all likelihood won't be anything more than training camp fodder with a draw for Nebraska fan. Go sign a player, Carl. Not a frickin' sideshow. Damn!

htismaqe

01-23-2005, 10:37 AM

I'll agree with that. Or more specifically, a Ronnie Harmon type of back who specializes in catching the ball out of the backfield.

I don't think this guy has what it takes to lay the hammer on some receiver coming across the middle. His walking away from two NFL teams backs up my theory.

On a side note here, just how cheap is Peterson? We have glaring weaknesses in our secondary, and he goes for the cheapest possible fix that in all likelihood won't be anything more than training camp fodder with a draw for Nebraska fan. Go sign a player, Carl. Not a frickin' sideshow. Damn!

Crouch will never be like Ronnie Harmon. He WON the biggest game of his college career instead of taking money from the mob...

Archie Bunker

01-23-2005, 10:37 AM

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:39 AM

Crouch will never be like Ronnie Harmon. He WON the biggest game of his college career instead of taking money from the mob...

Well, then there's that.....

Heh.

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:42 AM

Bash me if you want but I would like to see this work. He has the talent to succeed at safety, wr, and trick play master. Im sure Al has already thought of a few fun offensive packages to use Crouch in.

He probably wouldn't even come close to making the team but I would rather him be on the team than the stiffs that are usually inactive or deep on the depth chart.

It's a PR move, I tell ya. Nothing more.

You think you get pissed at Woods and Wesley flailing about trying to make arm tackles? Stick this guy back there with only him standing between Antonio Gates and the end zone to see some reall ass clownery!

Saulbadguy

01-23-2005, 10:43 AM

http://www.ksufootball.com/multimedia/photo/games/KSU%20vs.%20NU%20(1998)/01.jpg

PWNED

MGRS13

01-23-2005, 10:44 AM

It figures you guys would bring in a quitter...
Just think if we put him a saftey and he covered Chump Bailey playing WR maybe he would own him just like the other quitter(Kennison) owns Bailey. Time share or something. ROFL

Bowser

01-23-2005, 10:45 AM

http://www.ksufootball.com/multimedia/photo/games/KSU%20vs.%20NU%20(1998)/01.jpg

PWNED

ROFL ROFL

You know that had to hurt like a bitch!

Phobia

01-23-2005, 10:47 AM

He WON the biggest game of his college career instead of taking money from the mob...

Is there any evidence to support that or is that just a pissed off Hawkeye fan talking?

go bo

01-23-2005, 11:08 AM

http://www.ksufootball.com/multimedia/photo/games/KSU%20vs.%20NU%20(1998)/01.jpg

PWNEDsaulmonella????

some kind of food-borne disease??

poor saul, wha't happened to ya?

4th and Long

01-23-2005, 11:12 AM

http://www.ksufootball.com/multimedia/photo/games/KSU%20vs.%20NU%20(1998)/01.jpg

PWNED
http://www.stsent.com/_football/images/signal-images/personalfoul.gif
Personal foul, intentional fask mask, on the defense.
15 yard penalty. First down.

Mr. Laz

01-23-2005, 11:13 AM

a guess Couch fits Vermeil's profile

:cuss: :cuss:

Profile = Big Fat Possy

Bowser

01-23-2005, 11:14 AM

http://www.stsent.com/_football/images/signal-images/personalfoul.gif
Personal foul, intentional fask mask, on the defense.
15 yard penalty. First down.

Saul might have to answer this, but isn't that the facemask that the ref's DIDN'T call?

Mr. Laz

01-23-2005, 11:16 AM

Saul might have to answer this, but isn't that the facemask that the ref's DIDN'T call?

yea .. hehe, they didn't call it

it was on sack and at crucial time of the game too IIRC.

Saulbadguy

01-23-2005, 11:17 AM

yea .. hehe, they didn't call it

it was on sack and at crucial time of the game too IIRC.
Not TOO crucial...we still won 40-30.

Phobia

01-23-2005, 11:19 AM

Not TOO crucial...we still won 40-30.
Is that KU or KSU. I always get confused.

Mr. Laz

01-23-2005, 11:20 AM

Not TOO crucial...we still won 40-30.

yea, but i thought it was on a drive by the cornhuskers that could of gotten them within a single score. That penalty(if called) would of kept the drive alive and got them back into the game.

just going by memory though

Saulbadguy

01-23-2005, 11:21 AM

yea, but i thought it was on a drive by the cornhuskers that could of gotten them within a single score. That penalty(if called) would of kept the drive alive and got them back into the game.

just going by memory though
Had they have scored. And then they would have to score again. You are correct.

alanm

01-23-2005, 11:23 AM

Better save that picture Saul. Judging by the level of talent being recruited by our repected college teams the last few wins by Kstate could be all you have to remember for a loooooooooooong time. ROFL:thumb:

Saulbadguy

01-23-2005, 11:25 AM

BigVE

01-23-2005, 11:27 AM

Wow. Talk about looking for a diamond in the rough...Canada? Is that our new hotbed of recruiting/signing "hidden" gems? BUT, as far as speed and athleticism, Crouch WAS top notch, his toughness (for a QB) was never questioned. Look at how our safeties performed this past year, could Crouch be much worse? He wouldnt get beat as often as ours did based on their lack of speed. Dont forget that he basically had made the team in St.Louis NOT as a QB if I remember right...what sort of Nebraska fan-base do THEY have? Im guessing its more of the classic "Ram's lite" player exchange program with Vermeil and Martz. SADLY, I wouldnt bet against this guy especially when you factor in who our incumbent safeties are.

alanm

01-23-2005, 11:30 AM

Just remember the name...Callahan...and that should bring ya down to earth.A coach is only as good as the players he recruits and has to work with. Look what happened to Frankie when Osborne's talent ran out.

Red Dawg

01-23-2005, 11:31 AM

He will never make the team anyway.

Saulbadguy

01-23-2005, 11:35 AM

A coach is only as good as the players he recruits and has to work with. Look what happened to Frankie when Osborne's talent ran out.
He went 10-3? Look at what Callahan did with Super Bowl talent.

Now, I have no doubt NU will be "back"..who knows when. They will probably start Harrison Beck next year as a true freshman, and they still have defensive issues to sort out. I think NU will beat K-State next season @Lincoln, but other than that I don't see them winning more than 7 games.

alanm

01-23-2005, 11:56 AM

He went 10-3? Look at what Callahan did with Super Bowl talent.

Now, I have no doubt NU will be "back"..who knows when. They will probably start Harrison Beck next year as a true freshman, and they still have defensive issues to sort out. I think NU will beat K-State next season @Lincoln, but other than that I don't see them winning more than 7 games.I've no idea what "Super Bowl Talent" is? And Nebraska overacheived in 03. Mainly due to a #11 ranked defense that played inspired ball due to Bo Pelini. Worst mistake Calahan made so far was not to keep Pelini over his buddy Cosgrove from Wisconsin. With this past fall and now winter conditioning into spring ball the players understand the offense better. Calahan was a fool to rush the WC with players recruited for the running game. The talent on defense was there but Cosgrove totally changed it from what Pelini was doing. 3 completely different offenses and defenses in 3 yrs will screw up any decent football team. I could realistically see us going 7-4 or possibly 8-3 this coming season. But it's going to be a team running heavilly on Freshman and Sophomores. They shouldn't really be expected to make a run for any kind of title until 06. But who knows, anything can happen. :)

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:12 PM

It figures you guys would bring in a quitter...

You guys said that about Kennison too. :rolleyes:

MGRS13

01-23-2005, 12:15 PM

You guys said that about Kennison too. :rolleyes:
Hey I think you mean Eddie"I own chump bailey"Kennison.. ROFL

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:17 PM

The bigger statement would be "Just how bad is our secondary if we have to sign this guy for a shot at possibly making the team".

Actually I've seen a few cases of college QBs making excellent pro safties. The Rams had an all pro safety who was a big 8 (Kansas?) QB. Can't remember his name, but he had a great pro career. I'm pretty OK with this signing.

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:19 PM

Hey, maybe we could convert Lawrence Phillips to play cornerback. He's shown great abilities to play bump and run. Just ask his girlfriends.
:LOL:

DenverChief

01-23-2005, 12:19 PM

anotehr fackin safety? :banghead:

MGRS13

01-23-2005, 12:20 PM

anotehr fackin safety? :banghead:
I hope the plan isnt to make him a saftey then convert him to corner..

WilliamTheIrish

01-23-2005, 12:21 PM

Training camp fodder...

WilliamTheIrish

01-23-2005, 12:24 PM

alanm

01-23-2005, 12:25 PM

Actually I've seen a few cases of college QBs making excellent pro safties. The Rams had an all pro safety who was a big 8 (Kansas?) QB.Can't remember his name, but he had a great pro career. I'm pretty OK with this signing.I know who you're talking about. But I can't recall his name at the present either. He ran the Wishbone at Kansas and actually was All Pro a few times with the Rams. All I'm saying is not Nebraska ex QB's. Their best suited to be RB's.

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:25 PM

A coach is only as good as the players he recruits and has to work with. Look what happened to Frankie when Osborne's talent ran out.

Huh?!!:shrug:

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:29 PM

Nolan Cromwell. Nice memory there Franko..

BINGO!!

He sure played safety with an attitude. Didn't he also coach in the NFL?

Skip Towne

01-23-2005, 12:32 PM

Naw... There's been worse, but I can't think of any at the moment. I just woke up.
Besides winning the Heisman doesn't usually equate into sucess in pro football anyway.
How about Johnny Rodgers? Didn't he win the Heisman? It seems he robs gas stations and stuff.

Gaz

01-23-2005, 12:33 PM

I am looking for a downside and cannot find one.

xoxo~
Gaz
Doubts that Crouch will be on the roster next season.

alanm

01-23-2005, 12:34 PM

How about Johnny Rodgers? Didn't he win the Heisman? It seems he robs gas stations and stuff.Yeah, But they couldn't catch him. ROFL

alanm

01-23-2005, 12:36 PM

Huh?!!:shrug:Frank Solich. Former Husker head coach and now the HC at Ohio U.

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:36 PM

I am looking for a downside and cannot find one.

xoxo~
Gaz
Doubts that Crouch will be on the roster next season.

Exactly. :thumb:

Frankie

01-23-2005, 12:37 PM

Frank Solich. Former Husker head coach and now the HC at Ohio U.

He did a hell of a job coaching his Hula Bowl team, didn't he? ;)

beer bacon

01-23-2005, 01:10 PM

We are switching him to safety so that Carl will feel justified starting him at CB next year.

MGRS13

01-23-2005, 01:15 PM

We are switching him to safety so that Carl will feel justified at starting him at CB next year.
Beat you to it post #42...great minds.. :thumb:

elvomito

01-23-2005, 01:22 PM

wow micheal bishop playiong in the cfl. i always thought he would have done good things in the nfl.

Thig Lyfe

01-23-2005, 01:23 PM

But can he play corner?

beer bacon

01-23-2005, 01:31 PM

Beat you to it post #42...great minds.. :thumb:

Foiled again!

David.

01-23-2005, 01:43 PM

<MARQUEE BEHAVIOR=ALTERNATE SCROLLAMOUNT=100> Raiderfan </MARQUEE>

he's quick, I'm happy with it

Coach

01-23-2005, 01:57 PM

Hmm... is the Chiefs management trying to deploy the 80's to the early 2000 Nebraska Offense or something? I wouldn't see why, considering that you have T-Rich at the FB spot, and Priest and Larry on the HB spot.

Couple of formations comes to mind: Power-I, Wishbone, Flexbone, etc...

Aw, who the hell am I kidding? He's just camp fodder anyways.

David.

01-23-2005, 01:57 PM

Hmm... is the Chiefs management trying to deploy the 80's to the early 2000 Nebraska Offense or something? I wouldn't see why, considering that you have T-Rich at the FB spot, and Priest and Larry on the HB spot.

Couple of formations comes to mind: Power-I, Wishbone, Flexbone, etc...

heh, we definitely didn't sign him to play QB. THAT I can promise.

CosmicPal

01-23-2005, 02:00 PM

An awful lot of posts for someone who will never make the final roster in 2005.

Bowser

01-23-2005, 02:01 PM

Coach

01-23-2005, 02:03 PM

Didn't read the whole article, I see.

Heh, I read it. They're just gonna make him a Safety, convert him to the CB slot, just like Toasty and Burntee.

alanm

01-23-2005, 02:09 PM

Heh, I read it. They're just gonna make him a Safety, convert him to the CB slot, just like Toasty and Burntee.I'd rather see him used as a RB or H back. The guy is amazing with the ball in his hands in the open field. He's faster than Dante.

InChiefsHeaven

01-24-2005, 07:58 AM

Just heard it on Omaha radio. Chiefs signed him, and are going to send him to Europe. Haven't seen anything on this, and didn't see a thread so I figured I'd start one...

Whatchoo think?

Saulbadguy

01-24-2005, 07:59 AM

There is a thread down there somewhere about it.

MichaelH

01-24-2005, 08:11 AM

I don't know what to think about the Chiefs signing players anymore. It seems promising players turn out to be busts and project players should be starters. I think NFL Europe is a great way to develop a player, but I don't know if he'll be the QBOTF. We'll have to wait and see.

Saulbadguy

01-24-2005, 08:15 AM

morphius

01-24-2005, 08:16 AM

Does it really matter, I mean he will show up for a couple days of spring training and puss out again. It will be like he was never here.

ptlyon

01-24-2005, 08:21 AM

I think I am gonna :Lin:

InChiefsHeaven

01-24-2005, 08:23 AM

The talk here in Nebraska for the last 6 months has been that he earnestly wants to return to the game. He'll go as a safety, like Scott Frost did from Nebraska. Huskers don't really churn out QB's but Crouch is a hell of an athlete...at 26 I don't know if he can come back and be anything worth writing home about. But it can't hurt. NFL Europe is pretty risk free...

King_Chief_Fan

01-24-2005, 08:40 AM

How many chances does a guy get? He isn't that good.
The Chiefs will be the 3rd team this yahoo has quit on

InChiefsHeaven

01-24-2005, 08:42 AM

I know who you're talking about. But I can't recall his name at the present either. He ran the Wishbone at Kansas and actually was All Pro a few times with the Rams. All I'm saying is not Nebraska ex QB's. Their best suited to be RB's.

Scott Frost stared for the Jets as a Safety, as I recall he was not a bust...:shrug:

MichaelH

01-24-2005, 08:42 AM

He will play Safety.

Well then I think it's a splendid idea.

ROFL

jspchief

01-24-2005, 08:44 AM

Vermeil once again displays his "loyalty to a fault". Maybe we can take another look at Lawrence Phillips while we're at it...

BigMeatballDave

01-24-2005, 08:53 AM

Naw... There's been worse, but I can't think of any at the moment. I just woke up.
Besides winning the Heisman doesn't usually equate into sucess in pro football anyway.It does for RBs but certainly NOT for QBs...

Raiderhater

01-24-2005, 09:19 AM

http://www.ksufootball.com/multimedia/photo/games/KSU%20vs.%20NU%20(1998)/01.jpg

PWNED

Ah yes, the old "Welcome to the Big 12, Mr. Freshman" sack. Oh the memories..... It brings a tear of joy to the eye.

alanm

01-24-2005, 09:25 AM

Scott Frost stared for the Jets as a Safety, as I recall he was not a bust...:shrug:Frost got cut this fall by the Bucs. Jammal Lord made the Texans as a SS though. Lords another one who should have been a RB. I cringed in horror everytime he set up to throw a pass.

Saulbadguy

01-24-2005, 09:26 AM

What happened to Frazier?

Frankie

01-24-2005, 09:30 AM

Vermeil once again displays his "loyalty to a fault". Maybe we can take another look at Lawrence Phillips while we're at it...

Vermeil loyal to Crouch? I don't get what you mean! :shrug:

Stinger

01-24-2005, 09:37 AM

An awful lot of posts for someone who will never make the final roster in 2005.

Another RIch Scallon :hmmm: ROFL

alanm

01-24-2005, 09:42 AM

What happened to Frazier?He retired from football after his final game against Florida. He had blood clotting issues that developed his jr. year. Had to take blood thinning medication. Because of that he wasn't able to play Pro football. He was the QB coach at Baylor for a few yrs. But when Steel was fired a couple of yrs. ago he went back to Lincoln and he's working in Banking or Insurance. I'm not sure which.

cmh6476

01-25-2005, 08:17 AM

|Zach|

01-25-2005, 08:21 AM

Maybe he can turn our defense around :thumb:

Please tell me this was sarcastic.

cmh6476

01-25-2005, 08:23 AM

Please tell me this was sarcastic.
maybe after he learns to play safety we can convert him to corner :)

InChiefsHeaven

01-25-2005, 08:27 AM

probably old news but I didn't see it anywhere. On Channel 5 last night, said he'd sign a 1 year deal and end up playing in NFL Europe!!@#

Maybe he can turn our defense around :thumb:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8130587

Discussed ad-nauseum yesterday. I did the same thing as you, so don't feel bad...

...personally, I think Crouch should back up Priest so he can be the RBOTF... :p

ROYC75

01-25-2005, 10:11 AM

Another RIch Scallon :hmmm: ROFL

Oh, but he made the roster ! ROFL

Other than ST's he didn't get to play on the field . :shake: :mad:

ROYC75

01-25-2005, 10:12 AM

Nothing on the Chiefs website about Crouch either .

gblowfish

01-25-2005, 11:19 AM

Ah yes, the old "Welcome to the Big 12, Mr. Freshman" sack. Oh the memories..... It brings a tear of joy to the eye.One thing I'll say for Crouch. As evidenced by this picture, he knows how to turn his head. That puts him light years beyond Billy Bartee in pass coverage!